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| jb |
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Is Mark Foley still in rehab? Haggard got un-gayed in 30 days, what is taking Foley so long, was he gayer?
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| Riffhard |
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jb wrote:
The only difference was one lied about getting head, and the other to promote a war which has killed over 3k of our finest....
Libby was convicted of perjury concerning who he told about Valerie Plame. He did NOT out her. He did NOT lie about any Iraq intel. No. The only person that lied about pre Iraq war intel was Joe Wilson. He did so in a NYT editorial that was laughable in the amount of bold faced lies that it presented. Libby lied about who discussed Plame's indentity with.
The thing is that the Special Perosecutor was assigned this case(and for this I blame the Bush Admin.) to find out who outed a "covert" CIA agent. Fitzgerald came right out and said that Plame was not a covert agent at the time,and that is where it should have ended,but no he was basking in the glory that the DLM had drenched him in. So he continued to investigate a case that had no crime. Then guess what happened? Scooter Libby may,I stress may,have lied about conversations to various press members,and Fitzy was off to the races. Two years,and over a million tax dollars later,he gets a conviction against a guy that did not out this non covert agent! So again,why does this matter?
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| Saint Sway |
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Is Mark Foley still in rehab? Haggard got un-gayed in 30 days, what is taking Foley so long, was he gayer?
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| jb |
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Libby was convicted of perjury concerning who he told about Valerie Plame. He did NOT out her. He did NOT lie about any Iraq intel. No. The only person that lied about pre Iraq war intel was Joe Wilson. He did so in a NYT editorial that was laughable in the amount of bold faced lies that it presented. Libby lied about who discussed Plame's indentity with.
The thing is that the Special Perosecutor was assigned this case(and for this I blame the Bush Admin.) to find out who outed a "covert" CIA agent. Fitzgerald came right out and said that Plame was not a covert agent at the time,and that is where it should have ended,but no he was basking in the glory that the DLM had drenched him in. So he continued to investigate a case that had no crime. Then guess what happened? Scooter Libby may,I stress may,have lied about conversations to various press members,and Fitzy was off to the races. Two years,and over a million tax dollars later,he gets a conviction against a guy that did not out this non covert agent! So again,why does this matter?
Riffy
4 yrs later, and 40 million dollars later, Starr elicited perjury over a consensual blow job......but whose keeping score? |
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| Fiji Joe |
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jb wrote:
4 yrs later, and 40 million dollars later, Starr elicited perjury over a consensual blow job......but whose keeping score?
Of course, that all could have been avoided if the "great American" had told the truth...but who's keeping score?
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| pdog |
Joe Wilson is the only person who lied about Intel regarding Iraq pre-war?
File Under WTF?
The Bush amdin, gave the CIA intel, then took that same Intel, and presented it as fact, which we later found out was false... That's beyond lying, that 's manipulation of Democracy!
That's like Me making up a story, giving it to a Chronicle writer, who prints the story, then I present that story as proof, citing the Chronicle has verified it...
CIA and The media was just vehicles used in the lies about WMD's.
Why be so cranky, you got the war, people got all blown up and dead, and now you can blame the situation we are in on the anti war people. It's brilliant, and in the end, no matter how people spin it, you can see through the spin, most people are idiots, but most idiots know bullshit. |
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| pdog |
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Fiji Joe wrote:
Of course, that all could have been avoided if the "great American" had told the truth...but who's keeping score?
Fucking Hillary is, ironic, no? |
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| Riffhard |
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jb wrote:
4 yrs later, and 40 million dollars later, Starr elicited perjury over a consensual blow job......but whose keeping score?
Touche' my friend! My point though was not so much about either the Clinton case or the Libby case. It was about the fact that after the evidence of the Berger case have come out the media has done next to nothing to shed any light on the facts that this case revealed. Mainly that this guy stole original uncopied State documents,and then destroyed them before their contents could be reaveld to the 9/11 Commission!! Why has this not been shouted from the rooftops?! This guy got a fifty grand fine had to do some lame assed community service,and the ever so obediant DLM just dropped the story like it was meaningless. I can assure you that had it been the Bush Chief of Staff that did this the press would be on the story 24/7 until someone was under the jail,or impeached. That is hard to deny given the amount of press that the Libby trial got for a nothing conviction.
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| Maxlugar |
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jb wrote:
4 yrs later, and 40 million dollars later, Starr elicited perjury over a consensual blow job......but whose keeping score?
I think you are talking about Whitewater? If not who cares! I just love lookin' at all those convictions! IT ALL GOES BACK TO CLINTON!!! T2H!
1) Webster Hubbell: Bill Clinton friend and political ally; Hillary Clinton Rose Law Firm partner: embezzlement; fraud; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Whither Whitewater?" October 18, 1995)
2) Jim Guy Tucker: fraud; three felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Second-Term Stall" February 11, 1997; Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)
3) William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner; one conspiracy conviction (Associated Press "Whitewater Defendant Pleads Guilty" August 28, 1997)
4) Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: eighteen felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)
5) Susan McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend; former wife of Jim McDougal: four felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)
6) David Hale: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: two felony convictions of conspiracy and mail fraud (Wall Street Journal "The Arkansas Machine Strikes Back" March 19, 1996)
7) Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)
8) Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide; one conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)
9) Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent; fraudulent loans (Wall Steet Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)
10) Robert Palmer: Madison appraiser; one conspiracy felony conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hale Predicts Hillary Conviction" October 21, 1996)
11) Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president; embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign; two misdemeanor convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Bank Shot" May 4, 1995)
12) John Latham: Madison Bank CEO; bank fraud conviction (Wall Street Journal "Smoke Without Fire" January 12, 1996)
13) John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker; misdemeanor guilty plea; tax fraud (Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)
14) Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of trying to bribe David Hale; is appealing a ten month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)
15) Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of bribery, served fourteen months of a sixteen month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)
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| pdog |
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Riffhard wrote:
Touche' my friend! My point though was not so much about either the Clinton case or the Libby case. It was about the fact that after the evidence of the Berger case have come out the media has done next to nothing to shed any light on the facts that this case revealed. Mainly that this guy stole original uncopied State documents,and then destroyed them before their contents could be reaveld to the 9/11 Commission!! Why has this not been shouted from the rooftops?! This guy got a fifty grand fine had to do some lame assed community service,and the ever so obediant DLM just dropped the story like it was meaningless. I can assure you that had it been the Bush Chief of Staff that did this the press would be on the story 24/7 until someone was under the jail,or impeached. That is hard to deny given the amount of press that the Libby trial got for a nothing conviction.
Riffy
Ever consider that The Clinton Admin. actually did anti-terrorist work, as opposed to Bush's admin that threw all the previous intel away, and then ignored warnings? |
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
Trying to reason with a Foxist Republican is like trying to find the pea.
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| glencar |
Juror #10 from the Libby case believes that he should be pardoned. Howe fucking stoopit does one have to be to serve on a jury?
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Maxlugar wrote:
I think you are talking about Whitewater? If not who cares! I just love lookin' at all those convictions! IT ALL GOES BACK TO CLINTON!!! T2H!
1) Webster Hubbell: Bill Clinton friend and political ally; Hillary Clinton Rose Law Firm partner: embezzlement; fraud; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Whither Whitewater?" October 18, 1995)
2) Jim Guy Tucker: fraud; three felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Second-Term Stall" February 11, 1997; Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)
3) William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner; one conspiracy conviction (Associated Press "Whitewater Defendant Pleads Guilty" August 28, 1997)
4) Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: eighteen felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)
5) Susan McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend; former wife of Jim McDougal: four felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)
6) David Hale: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally: two felony convictions of conspiracy and mail fraud (Wall Street Journal "The Arkansas Machine Strikes Back" March 19, 1996)
7) Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)
8) Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide; one conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)
9) Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent; fraudulent loans (Wall Steet Journal "Hard Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)
10) Robert Palmer: Madison appraiser; one conspiracy felony conviction (Wall Street Journal "Hale Predicts Hillary Conviction" October 21, 1996)
11) Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president; embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign; two misdemeanor convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Bank Shot" May 4, 1995)
12) John Latham: Madison Bank CEO; bank fraud conviction (Wall Street Journal "Smoke Without Fire" January 12, 1996)
13) John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker; misdemeanor guilty plea; tax fraud (Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)
14) Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor count of trying to bribe David Hale; is appealing a ten month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)
15) Charles Matthews: Whitewater defendant, pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of bribery, served fourteen months of a sixteen month prison sentence (The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "Whitewater Defendants" February 22, 1998)
Well at least none of them were family, ever hear the stories about Neil Bush?
and i thought W was the stupid one...
Neil Bush, son of the then vice president of the United States, was scheduled to have dinner on March 31, 1981, with Scott Hinckley, brother of John Hinckley, the day after a bullet came within an inch of making Neil Bush's father the new president of the United States.
On the day that Neil Bush testified about his part in the Denver S&L scandal, Treasury Secretary Brady announced that the bailout would cost $59 billion more than previously announced. The press was forced to choose which was the bigger story and the majority went for the Brady announcement. White House spin doctors thereby succeeded in getting the Neil Bush story off the front pages of the Washington Post and New York Times; the Los Angeles Times, for example, didn't fall for it and ran the Neil story out front.
Neil Bush, younger brother of President Bush, detailed lucrative business deals and admitted to engaging in sex romps with women in Asia in a deposition taken in March as part of his divorce from now ex-wife Sharon Bush.
This is insane, and it is under oath... clinton lied b/c he was smart, this guy is an idiot and then brags about it, read on:
The Bush divorce, completed in April after 23 years of marriage, was prompted in part by Bush's relationship with another woman. He admitted in the deposition that he previously had sex with several other women while on trips to Thailand and Hong Kong at least five years ago.
The women, he said, simply knocked on the door of his hotel room, entered and had sex with him. He said he did not know if they were prostitutes because they never asked for money and he did not pay them.
"Mr. Bush, you have to admit it's a pretty remarkable thing for a man just to go to a hotel room door and open it and have a woman standing there and have sex with her," Brown said.
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| Maxlugar |
Well you can't choose your family.... |
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| glencar |
Neil Bush is a douchebag. But he's never been elected to anything. Roger Clintoon was a douchebag AND a moron. But Billy Clintoon didn't suffer because of that. Bringing up Neil Bush is a sure sign of Olbermannitis... |
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glencar wrote:
Neil Bush is a douchebag. But he's never been elected to anything. Roger Clintoon was a douchebag AND a moron. But Billy Clintoon didn't suffer because of that. Bringing up Neil Bush is a sure sign of Olbermannitis...
Sweet.
You've got The Audacity of Post. |
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| jb |
Again, the party of personal responsibility and moral values offers little else than pointing blame , ad infinitum, at the great American, Bill Clinton. The GOP, nearly invincible less than a yr ago, looks like a party whose best days have long since passed. It will be interesting to see how these people come to terms when they once again hear the words " President Clinton". |
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Maxlugar wrote:
Well you can't choose your family....
Papa Bush's zact words!
I just figured we need to make sure we cover all bases, since we never stay on topic anyway...
I didn't care about Neil's S&L scandal or Thai hookers or Whitewater and chubby interns who crave cock, regarding Libby, anymore than it matters to what's happening right now with Libby, which is zilch! |
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| sirmoonie |
Wait - poor George Bush has 3 sons? One retard, one homo, and one felonious sex tourist. Yikes. See thats what happens when you work too hard and don't spend enough time with your family during the critical child-raising years. |
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| pdog |
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glencar wrote:
Neil Bush is a douchebag. But he's never been elected to anything. Roger Clintoon was a douchebag AND a moron. But Billy Clintoon didn't suffer because of that. Bringing up Neil Bush is a sure sign of Olbermannitis...
Ouch... I'm hit... I deserved that, you bastard! |
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jb wrote:
Again, the party of personal responsibility and moral values offers little else than pointing blame , ad infinitum, at the great American, Bill Clinton. The GOP, nearly invincible less than a yr ago, looks like a party whose best days have long since passed. It will be interesting to see how these people come to terms when they once again hear the words " President Clinton".
Not me. Do you realize the posting material a president Hillary would generate?! Oh my god would that been fun! Plus the added feature of watching some of you guys defend her? Good times. |
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I think the the Reagan administration takes the cake for most CONVICTIONS.
1. Elliott Abrams, Reagan's appointee to head the State Department's Latin American Bureau, cooperated with Iran-Contra investigators and pled guilty to two charges that were reduced to misdemeanors. He was sentenced to two years probation and 100 hours of community service but was pardoned by President George H.W. Bush.
2. Deborah Gore Dean, executive assistant to HUD Secretary Samuel Pierce - convicted on twelve counts[1], three counts of conspiracy to defraud the federal government, one count of having accepted an illegal gratuity, four counts of perjury, and four counts of engaging in a scheme to conceal material facts.
3. Michael Deaver, Reagan's Deputy White House Chief of Staff from January 1981 until May 1985[2], convicted of perjury before a congressional subcommittee and a federal grand jury regarding his lobbying activities after leaving the White House.
4. Thomas Demery, Reagan's HUD Assistant Secretary[3], pled guilty to steering HUD subsidies to politically connected donors.
5. Alan D. Fiers, Chief of the CIA's Central American Task Force, and a career civil servant, pled guilty to two counts of withholding information from the Congress about Oliver North's activities and the diversion of Iran arms sale money to aid the Contras, and was sentenced to one year of probation and 100 hours of community service. He was pardoned by President George H.W. Bush.
6. Clair George, Chief of the CIA's Division of Covert Operations, and a career civil servant, was convicted of lying to two congressional committees in connection with the Iran-Contra investigations, but was pardoned by President George H.W. Bush.
7. Rita Lavelle, Reagan-appointed assistant administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, was convicted of lying to the Congress in connection with Sewergate investigations and served three months of a six-month prison sentence.
8. Robert C. McFarlane, Reagan's National Security Advisor, pled guilty to four misdemeanors regarding withholding of information from Congress as part of Sewergate, and was sentenced to two years probation and 200 hours of community service and fined $20,000. He was pardoned by President George H.W. Bush.
7. Lyn Nofziger, Reagan's White House Press Secretary, who was convicted on charges of illegal lobbying after leaving office, as part of the Wedtech scandal.
8. Joseph A. Strauss, Special Assistant to the Secretary of HUD, convicted for accepting payments to favor Puerto Rican land developers in receiving HUD funding.
9. James G. Watt, Reagan's Secretary of the Interior, was indicted on 41 felony counts for using his connections, after he left office, at the Department of Housing and Urban Development to assist his clients seek federal funds for housing projects, and sentenced to five years probation and 500 hours of community service.
10. Philip Winn, Reagan's Assistant HUD Secretary, pled guilty to one count of conspiring to give illegal gratuities and was sentenced to two years' probation and a fine of $981,975. Winn was pardoned without explanation by President Bill Clinton in 2000
Convictions overturned on appeal:
John Poindexter was convicted in 1990 on five felony charges of conspiracy, making false statements to Congress and obstructing congressional inquiries. Along with Oliver North, an appellate court overturned these convictions and Poindexter's six month prison term in 1991 due to their receiving immunity from prosecution. |
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| pdog |
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Maxlugar wrote:
Not me. Do you realize the posting material a president Hillary would generate?! Oh my god would that been fun! Plus the added feature of watching some of you guys defend her? Good times.
It's not worth it Maxy... I'd rather have paper stapled to my face...
Clinton/Obama
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| Saint Sway |
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Ten Thousand Motels wrote:
Trying to reason with a Foxist Republican is like trying to find the pea.
truer words have never been spoken
its impossible to try and even read these threads.
theres just no point in even discussing this stuff with people whose heads are so far up their asses |
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| glencar |
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jb wrote:
Again, the party of personal responsibility and moral values offers little else than pointing blame , ad infinitum, at the great American, Bill Clinton. The GOP, nearly invincible less than a yr ago, looks like a party whose best days have long since passed. It will be interesting to see how these people come to terms when they once again hear the words " President Clinton".
I'll be out of country if that happens... |
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| jb |
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glencar wrote:
I'll be out of country if that happens...
Posting it real
keeping it tight
JB and Joey are out of sight!!!! |
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| glencar |
Joey's a moron. |
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| jb |
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glencar wrote:
Joey's a moron.
Joey is a friend of the Jewish people
and thus, I have asked our Rabbi to
inscribe him in the book of life... |
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| glencar |
I thought you were a "secular progressive"???? WTF??? Are you playing both sides of the street? |
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| jb |
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glencar wrote:
I thought you were a "secular progressive"???? WTF??? Are you playing both sides of the street?
What does Sprint mean by "big seat"??? WTF??? WHY??? |
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