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Starbuck wrote:
tell us feej...

who is the ideal president this time around? rudy? huckabee? powell? gil meche?

they all make me want to spit....

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the good wrote:


Its so overblown. The total hysteria in the talk radio wing of the republican party over the issue is amazing. The bill was a good one. It made sense. But that doesn't really matter to the "deport them all now" xenophobe echo chamber ditto heads who prefer ranting to reason.

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Starbuck wrote:
riffy...feej...

if not obama, then who?

no matter how you look at it, mccain will win the nomination. and he will trounce hillary....obama, however, has a real chance of defeating him.

get used to change! it is the mantra of 08!

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Riffhard wrote:
I took my daughter to the ER in New Jersey last year for a sprained ankle. I was told that the wait would be over three and half hours!! The lobby was covered by illegals. I counted at least 37!!! That is a true story!!

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sirmoonie wrote:

Honestly, I'm really am just curious how you can tell an illegal from a legal from a citizen? We need you on the border, mang. We need you on that wall!!!

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monkey_man wrote:


My guess is that they were scared non white people. The always give themselves up that way. Good keeping an eye out Riffy!

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sirmoonie wrote:

Honestly, I'm really am just curious how you can tell an illegal from a legal from a citizen? We need you on the border, mang. We need you on that wall!!!

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Riffhard wrote:

Uhhh moonie I can tell because I am not a moron! Illegals tend to go the ER here in Jersey, a sanctuary state, for minor things like bruised knees or headaches.

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Fiji Joe wrote:
A good friend of mine was killed when a teenager, an illegal alien, was racing on the highway and ran him off the road...he was decapitated from what I hear...closed casket so I can't verify that fact...All I could think about at the funeral was not that the kid was here illegally...but that the kid had the gall to be racing with other illegal aliens on a major interstate...absolutely ignoring his illegal status and obviously not caring of the consequences of being caught here illegally...about a year later, hundreds of thousands of illegals gathered in the streets of America demanding rights they were neither entitled nor had they earned...that made me kinda angry...in light of my friends death

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pdog wrote:
Damn illegals indians are fucking up the medicine man system.

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I'm surprised you have anger towards an entire group. I got beat up by a bunch of black kids once, so a week later, my friends and myself beat the shit out of some black kid. i wonder how many people who never did shit to anyone have been beat up, hurt or killed? Millions of people lie and work in the usa, illegally. Most of them never break a law outside of the obvious. I want to hear specific on how this is ruining our country. The meical industry and ER hospital are collapsing, but not b/c of illegals, it's uninsured poor americans...
And being truthful... for myself. I have a problem with all the asians here. Immigrants, who are working in the hospitals, getting good government jobs, taking work away from black, whites and others born here... Send these bad english speaking, rude as fuck people back to where they came from. I like the mexicans, they are way nicer, and aren't nearly as rude... Speaking of dangerous driving, fucking asians suck at it. I got tons of proof, I drive alot and see it firsthand everyday. Oh, and they are also ripping off our welfare system with mass fraud, but, yeah, let's blame the mexicans!!!!

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Fiji Joe wrote:


..I have mexican-americans in my family...and asians too

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Fiji?!

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The bill was a good one?! It made perfect sense?! It was a complete sham that we could never ever have paid for! It would have destroyed Social Security within ten years!

It hasn't got a damned thing to do with xenophobia either. It has everything to do with securing the borders, and a little thing called sovereignty! That some here feel that there is nothing wrong with the status quo I strongly suggest that you read up a little on the subject.


Take a look at how many hospitals in California, Arizona, Texas, and New Mexico have been forced to shut down in the last five years. Every single one of them has closed it's doors because they can no longer afford to treat headaches at the ER's that are flooded with illegals. I took my daughter to the ER in New Jersey last year for a sprained ankle. I was told that the wait would be over three and half hours!! The lobby was covered by illegals. I counted at least 37!!! That is a true story!! Am I a xenophobe because I found myself frustrated at these people?! No!


Take a look at the prison system in this country. Over one third of all prisons in West Coast prisons are illegal drug and human smugglers. Of all the blow and smack that has flooded into the USA the vast vast vast vast majority flows over from a wide open southern border. Is it xenophobic to want that supply shut down?! No!


The border/illegal immigration issue is huge to me, and to many people that I know. It's huge, and it has shit all to do with xenophobia!!!!


Xenophobia is great way to deflect the issue onto people that are concerned about it. It makes those people, myself included, look as if there is some kind of racial angle involved. That's bullshit plain and simple.

A country that refuses to protect it's own sovereignty can't very well call itself a county anyway!


Riffy

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Fiji Joe wrote:


..I have mexican-americans in my family...and asians too

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Fiji Joe wrote:
Media themes that will involve John McCain during the next 9 months...

Subtle references to his age...less than subtle references to his temper and sanity...background stories that spend an inordinate amount of time talking about how he left his crippled wife for a rich, hot piece of ass...and the transformation of the "maverick" senator label to a label that reads something like "'back-stabbing' republican senator" from Arizona who receives lots of criticism from his own constituents and party...these are soon to be facts...and they are soon to be known by every American who can read...they are soon to dominate the airwaves...



Well McCain does have the hottest wife angle working for him. Other than that,not much though.

Oh...my bad, it's already started...

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McCain Sends 'Chill Down Spine,' Reid Cites Cochran
By Josiah Ryan
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
February 06, 2008

On the Spot (CNSNews.com) - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said the possibility of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) becoming president "sends a cold chill down my spine."

Reid made his remarks Tuesday outside the Senate chambers when a reporter asked him about McCain, who is running for the Republican Party nomination for president.

Pulling out his wallet and removing a white piece of paper, Reid told the reporter: "All I have to say about that is this. I have it right here, and you can put it in your little recording devices."

Then, reading aloud, and quoting Sen. Thad Cochran (R-Miss.) from an interview last Friday, Reid said: "The thought of him [McCain] being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper, and he worries me."

Reid then placed the piece of paper back in his wallet and continued taking reporter's questions.

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the good wrote:


Riffhard,
The issue is not the border. McCain is for increased border security. Yet all of you are still at the guys throat.

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The emotion in this debate stems from the issue of deportation. Most "conservatives", like the angry ewok Michelle Malkin, want to deport all 12 million illegals. We cannot deport 12 million people. It is physically impossible. It cannot be done. And yet all of the talk radio gurus and their candidate the smarmy one still insist on it.

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I know what I am hearing when I am listening to "true" conservatives who call into the echo chamber. Its xenophobia. You can wrap in whatever else you want. It may not be true in your individual case, but individual cases are not especially interesting in politics.

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Riffhard wrote:
It is very xenophobic of you point out facts Feej! Have you no shame?


Riffy

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Riffhard wrote:
Theodore Roosevelt (not a xenophpobe!) said it best.


Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907



There is not a damned thing wrong with Americans wanting The United States to remain American in this respect!



Riffy

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