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Aaaargh, Joe and Jerry are the worst. Thank God Remdawg more than makes up for those two. OK, maybe Castiglione is OK but where in the world did they dig up Trup?
you know...from
"way back....WAY back...."
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| rasputin56 |
quote:
lotsajizz wrote:
you know...from
"way back....WAY back...."
I repeat, aaaaarghhhhhh.
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| Some Guy |
My car was washed by a mainly hispanic group of men. |
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| The Bishops Daughter |
I think that the whole issue is clouded with emotion and rhetoric on both sides. America is a land of immigrants no one disputes this. But while protesting for and demanding for equal rights for "illegal aliens/undocumented workers" all immigrants should realize and respect the laws of the new country that they are trying to be a part of. Yes? No one would ever dispute the fact that most illegal/undocumented people are here for a better life and paycheck, but at the same time they need to come in the right way as not to put a strain on the economy and communities that they try to assimilate into. Most Americans just want the immigrants that want to come here to have all the rights AND responsibilities as the rest of the citizenry, why is that considered prejudice or bigotry? |
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| pdog |
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The Bishops Daughter wrote:
is that considered prejudice or bigotry?
I love to hate, it makes me feel BAD! |
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| gorda |
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pdog wrote:
I love to hate, it makes me feel BAD!
Hmmmmmmm . . .
Okay! That's it!
No more tequila for you!
No more margaritas for you!
No more cerveza for you!
No more tacos, burritos, tostadas, enchiladas, or nachos for you!
No more!
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| Taptrick |
I tried to post this in a thread about America's living in Mexico but it was closed by the administrator. Actually I think Gorda's topic deserved it's own thread, but since it was discontinued I will post my response following:
Those Americans are there legally per Mexican law. But the rules for owning property are much more restrictive for legal Americans in Mexico than they are for illegal Mexicans in America. Again, it would be fair if America just adopted Mexican immigration and property laws right? I'm sure the Mexican immigration laws are very understanding of what Mexicans see as "illegals" crossing their southern border. No they are not. They are more stringent and consequential than American laws. Strange, no one ever addresses this issue.
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| gorda |
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Taptrick wrote:
I tried to post this in a thread about America's living in Mexico but it was closed by the administrator. Actually I think Gorda's topic deserved it's own thread, but since it was discontinued I will post my response following:
Those Americans are there legally per Mexican law.
But the rules for owning property are much more restrictive for legal Americans in Mexico than they are for illegal Mexicans in America. ??????
Again, it would be fair if America just adopted Mexican immigration and property laws right? I'm sure the Mexican immigration laws are very understanding of what Mexicans see as "illegals" crossing their southern border. No they are not. They are more stringent and consequential than American laws. Strange, no one ever addresses this issue.
First of all, illegal aliens cannot own property in the U.S. They can't get a driver license. If they have an accident, they cannot go to a hospital.
Furthermore, the illegal aliens crossing into Mexico are "just passing through", they are Guatemalans, Salvadoreans, Nicaraguans, etc. who are trying to make into the U.S. So, their ultimate goal is America!
And, yes, I heard that the Mexican border guards were shooting the Central Americans. That is horrific! But, I repeat, what control do the poor undocumented workers have over these Mexican guards?
(I have never denied that the Mexican government is full of corruption and injustices.)
P.S. I was born in the United States. I am an American citizen. I cannot own property in Mexico.
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| MrPleasant |
People suck. Everywhere.
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| glencar |
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gorda wrote:
First of all, illegal aliens cannot own property in the U.S. They can't get a driver license. If they have an accident, they cannot go to a hospital.
Furthermore, the illegal aliens crossing into Mexico are "just passing through", they are Guatemalans, Salvadoreans, Nicaraguans, etc. who are trying to make into the U.S. So, their ultimate goal is America!
And, yes, I heard that the Mexican border guards were shooting the Central Americans. That is horrific! But, I repeat, what control do the poor undocumented workers have over these Mexican guards?
(I have never denied that the Mexican government is full of corruption and injustices.)
P.S. I was born in the United States. I am an American citizen. I cannot own property in Mexico.
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Of course they can go to the hospital. And they'll get free health care. Well, free for them. YOU'LL pay! |
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| Taptrick |
Hi Gorda. Illegals do own property in the US. I am not an expert on the law but I do know whatever laws are relative, they are not strictly enforced if they exist. You can walk up and down my street on West Avenue J-10 in Lancaster, CA and meet illegal homeowners. I have a friend who lives across the steet and he was deported and still owns his home. He was arrested and reported his official address. They deported him and he simply returned back to the USA after a few months and rejoined his wife. Nobody ever checked to see if he had a legal mortgage or not. He has a driver's license. There are illegal workers all over the Antelope Valley in every type of business.
As far as medical care, actually the The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. In 2002 Congress studied the problem of the enormous ecomic toll the cost of paying for the medical, education, and social assistance of millions of illegal aliens. The Washington Times reported, "...There are no reimbursement provisions, though, and the poor, desperate job seekers infiltrating the United States usually have no money. It’s difficult to determine how much the situation costs border hospitals in a given year. For one thing, doctors don’t ask the nationality or legal status of patients. Still, administrators at 16 border hospitals recently tracked the expenses incurred from treating indigent and uninsured foreign nationals over a three-month period. The cost: $44 million. In testimony last week before a subcommittee of the House Government Reform Committee, Mr. Dickson reported that uncompensated costs attributed to "Border Patrol apprehensions" and "compassionate entry trauma" have risen more than 400 percent over the last four years. "Border Patrol apprehensions" refers to what critics say is a deliberate Immigration and Naturalization Service policy of avoiding payment for the care of injured or sick illegal aliens that Border Patrol officers track down. The officers refuse to officially apprehend such victims. They take them to area hospitals for treatment, and since the victims are not officially in INS custody, the agency isn’t legally obligated to foot their bills."
$176 MILLION JUST FOR 16 HOSPITALS IN A YEAR. That doesn't even count cost incurred in the thousands of other treatment venues, education costs, and social assistance programs thjat are paid for and provided to illegals. The economic cost is easily a billion a year when yo total everything.
I am not taking a point of view relative to immigration. I would try to better my life as well, and borders would be irrelevant to me if I needed to move. But I am observing and pointing out that I don't think the situation will be able to continue. It either has to be considerably slowed or the economic system of southern California will eventually collapse, ultiimately leaving the area no econimically different than Mexico, as those who are shouldering the burden of paying the costs will simply leave. It' basic Atlas shrugging.
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| gorda |
Are you sure about all these statistics?
Because I am an American, born in this country. And, I can't afford to buy a house in California, not even a condo! And, I am a professional with two college degrees!
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| Taptrick |
Hi Gorda. Me too. I can't afford to buy....yet. But I am still hopeful and trying. I sent you a PM as I am interested in your thoughts. I hope you find time to respond.
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| gorda |
So, what is the solution?
What do we do?
Sometimes, when I go to Mexico, and I see these little kids working, it breaks my heart. Little kids bagging groceries, hoping for a tip. Little kids selling gum and trinkets to tourists. Even braiding hair! Yes, Indian girls will braid your hair in a bunch of little braids. (Corn rows like Bo Derek.) Doing anything to survive! And, what are they going to do when they grow up? It's so, so sad.
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| bon jovi |
"Green cards? We ain't got no green cards. We don't need no green cards!I don't have to show you any stinking green card!"
http://www.darryl.com/badges/mov.ph...sierramadre.mov
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| lotsajizz |
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gorda wrote:
If they have an accident, they cannot go to a hospital.
Bull...the health care costs are high in no small part due to health care provided to illegal aliens....even small hospitals in the northern US have to treat these people every day...on that score, you are simply wrong
...my wife deals with dozens of such patients a week....
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| gorda |
I will repeat this again and again:
People that are well-read and well-traveled are usually not racist. Also, the younger generation is more open-minded and accepting!
SO, GET WITH THE TIMES! BEING A RACIST IS NOT COOL! |
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| gorda |
Go back and read a book about immigration in this country and the blatant racism that these immigrants suffered! Your ancestors!
Do any of you know where the term "WOPS" comes from?
It meant "WITHOUT PAPERS" and was used to refer to undocumented Italian immigrants.
What about those signs they used to state:
"IRISH NEED NOT APPLY"
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| gorda |
I used to enjoy coming into this website. I love the Rolling Stones!
But, now with all these negative vibes, forget it.
I truly hope that you guys open your hearts and stop stomping on your fellow man who is down on his luck, because this life has many turns and maybe some day it will be you that needs help and you won't want people treating you this way.
Start by going back and researching your own family history. It would be interesting and a beautiful gift to pass on to your children.
http://www.lexisnexis.com/academic/...EllisIsland.asp
PEACE! LOVE!
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| Some Guy |
Sonny signed some new law today...
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gorda wrote:
I used to enjoy coming into this website. I love the Rolling Stones!
But, now with all these negative vibes, forget it.
I truly hope that you guys open your hearts and stop stomping on your fellow man who is down on his luck, because this life has many turns and maybe some day it will be you that needs help and you won't want people treating you this way.
Start by going back and researching your own family history. It would be interesting and a beautiful gift to pass on to your children.
http://www.lexisnexis.com/academic/...EllisIsland.asp
PEACE! LOVE!
Gorda you're the one making a big deal about the racial aspect of this issue. To my mind this has everything to do with protecting the borders,and not the illegals per se. The immigrants that came through Ellis Island were legal by the way. They were documented,and became citizens of the USA. In other words they became Americans. The illegals today have shown no real desire to become Americans,but rather retain their Mexican heritage while sending most of their money back to Mexico.
We have thousands of illegal immigrants streaming across the border on a daily basis. If one of them is a terrorist I sure as hell want to know about it! That you want to make this about racism is crap! It has nothing to do with racism. It has everything to do with the right of The United States of AMERICA to maintain our sovereignty! That you can not seem to grasp this without resorting to race baiting is hard for me to understand.
Riffy
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| Some Guy |
not many Latinos seem to work at Starbucks |
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| VoodooChileInWOnderl |
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Some Guy wrote:
not many Latinos seem to work at Starbucks
Latin countries include the following: Andorra, France, Italy, Moldova, Monaco, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Spain and Vatican City. It also includes some regions from other countries, such as Wallonia in Belgium and the French- and Italian-speaking cantons of Switzerland. These countries are members of the Latin Union.
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| VoodooChileInWOnderl |
...and of course all Latin America that includes almost all of the countries south the US border. In one way or another also Québec in Canadá
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| Some Guy |
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VoodooChileInWOnderl wrote:
Latin countries include the following: Andorra, France, Italy, Moldova, Monaco, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Spain and Vatican City. It also includes some regions from other countries, such as Wallonia in Belgium and the French- and Italian-speaking cantons of Switzerland. These countries are members of the Latin Union.
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| gorda |
Voodoo, in the U.S. the term Latin and Hispanic are used to catagorize people that come from Spanish-speaking countries or with Spanish surnames.
P.S. But, I understand what you mean, you're referring to Romance languages, how Spanish, French, Portuguese, Italian and Romanian all derived from Latin.
P.S.S. I guess because I'm a woman, and like most women, I think with my heart. That is why, we, women aren't successful in business. Men, they can separate their emotions and apply "practical and logical" solutions to problems, no matter how cruel.
(One of my brothers was all, "Yeah, I think we should built a giant wall and keep the illegals out!"
I was so shocked and pissed!
And, he was all, "Gorda, you wouldn't leave the door to your apartment unlocked, would you? What's wrong with trying to keep our borders safe?)
WTF? This is my brother speaking!
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| Taptrick |
As OMC says:
"...it's the lingo of the gringo..."
cool song
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| Some Guy |
what would am talk radio be doing without this issue? |
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| glencar |
You should see the politics boards! |
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| Some Guy |
They say that the minutemen have given Bush till Memorial day to start to build a fence or they will do it themselves for $150.00 a foot, they are taking donations on their website |
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