| 16th October 2007 08:56 PM |
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| Boss |
quote:
Riffhard wrote:
LOL! Damn straight sister!
I find it hard to understand some Brian fans total commitment to the man. They are soooo defensive about his legacy. I truly love his musical contributions to the band. His recorder work made Ruby Tuesday. Likewise his sitar is perfect on PIB. Under My Thumb would never sound as cool as it did without Brain's fabulous play on marimba. His slide on No Expectations...the list goes on.
However, whenever anyone points out that he was not this poor misunderstood genius that had some human faults, but rather an immature petty man with a vicious nasty streak that led him to beat his girlfriends bloody. These weren't just drunken slaps either mind you. He beat the shit out of women! This has all been well documented, but if you tell hardcore Brian fans that they always try and pull the old "Keith hit Antia too!" canard! It's really strange that the fans that stick up for him so staunchly are almost exclusivly women! I mean why the hell would another woman defend that shit?! As a man I would kick the little fuck's ass if I ever saw him raise his hand towards a woman, but these freakish devotees make up lame tired excuses for spousal abuse. It's fucking sick!
I don't get it, and I never will.
Riffy
Hey I'm back...It seems that Bush's ratings are the only ratings to fall harder and faster than yours. |
| 17th October 2007 02:42 AM |
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| killerbitch |
What the hell is the difference between Brian beating the shit out his women
and Keith beating the shit out of Anita? It has been documented that Keith
and Anita DID beat the fucking shit out of each other more than once! Or did
you skip that part? Oh yes and Mick slapped Marianne around too if you read
her book. So I guess it is okay for the latter two Stones to do it but Brian to do
it is not. Your reasoning defies logic. |
| 17th October 2007 06:33 AM |
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| Sioux |
Thank you. |
| 17th October 2007 08:00 AM |
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| oldkr |
for fucks sake you retard NOBODY is claiming that keith didnt smash anita up, or that it was OK when he did. It has merely been pointed out that brian smashed up and knocked up multiple women, and that thats probably not the best thing to do if you want to remain well liked.
OLDKR |
| 17th October 2007 09:07 AM |
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| killerbitch |
Well if it is not okay for Keith to beat up Anita why don't you acknowledge it
and bash him the way you do Brian? And why not have that same hatred
toward Keith because of it? I am not the one who is retarded and has blinders
on! |
| 17th October 2007 09:50 AM |
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| oldkr |
because it happened 40 years ago and keith has all those years of not beating women and has done so much more since. It really was a small part of keiths life a long time ago and is not something he identifies with now. Brian however is locked in time 40 years ago and needs to be acknowledged for the fact that he was an absolute asshole in everyway. That doesn't preclude his being talented or making major contributions to a few albums half a lifetime ago.
OLDKR |
| 17th October 2007 10:07 AM |
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| Philip |
Ok, I don't recall Mick being mentioned as someone slapping Marianne about, where exactly is that in her book? The worst thing I can recall Mick doing is kicking some girls bum when they attacked Chrissie Shrimpton.
What is the source for the Keith - Anita violence?
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| 17th October 2007 10:29 AM |
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| GhostofBrianJones |
Okay I read these messages and here I am again. It is not an excuse but an
explanation. Abuse is never okay no matter when it happened. We don't
know what Keith has or has not done in the past 40 years because we don't
get behind their privately closed doors. Remember Brian was 27 when he
passed and if he had lived he could have very well stopped. You and I know
when people are under the influence of drug/booze their personality changes
and they often do things they would not ordinarily do if they were clean and
sober for any length of time unless the addictions would be masking other
problems as well. I drank every night for over 30 years until I would pass out.
And during the day when I was sobering up I still felt the influence of what
I had drank and mixed with my prescription meds the night before. And I had
a lot of strong meds.
Another thing is Keith has Not stopped drinking and supposedly has not
stopped using illegal drugs but can't say for sure. We have seen Keith
dramatically change over the years especially in the way he talks, acts and
how is physical appearance has changed, which is aging of course. But
some rumors have come out from time to time stating that he is emotionally
abuse to others.
When Brian was out of the group and living at Cotchford Farm he was trying
to get his life back together. He knew had these addictions and was trying to slow down or quit whichever. Except when Keith mailed him a quantity
of cocaine. Can't remember how much. It was in Anna's book.
As we know if this was going on today a person would be arrested,
charged, and maybe sent to Rehab and therapy. Nothing like that was even
thought of back then at least not in the way it is today. Yes abuse is wrong,
and should not be allowed to continue. I don't hate Brian because of it
because I understand why he did it and I know he was unable to receive
the proper help and treatment he desparately needed. It does not excuse
it but when you have no where to turn to and everyone is bashing you
back then the only thing he thought of was to use booze and drugs.
I am not Brian's judge and jury. He would have to deal with that himself if
he had lived. And hopefully he would have stopped and been as productive
or even more if he had lived on.
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| 17th October 2007 10:57 AM |
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| oldkr |
quote:
GhostofBrianJones wrote:
We don't know what Keith has or has not done in the past 40 years because we don't
get behind their privately closed doors.
I know for a fact keith doesn't beat up Patti! An actual fact-imagine that!
OLDKR |
| 17th October 2007 11:03 AM |
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
quote:
oldkr wrote:
I know for a fact keith doesn't beat up Patti! An actual fact-imagine that!
OLDKR
She's bigger than he is.
She strikes me as the kind of lady I wouldn't want pissed off at me. |
| 17th October 2007 11:07 AM |
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| oldkr |
thats right TTM, just imagine what she and l'wren could do if they formed a "tag-team"
OLDKR |
| 17th October 2007 11:15 AM |
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| gimmekeef |
quote:
oldkr wrote:
thats right TTM, just imagine what she and l'wren could do if they formed a "tag-team"
OLDKR
L'Wren could body slam The Undertaker.... |
| 17th October 2007 01:17 PM |
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| Sioux |
Marianne speaks of a night in Paris---after a
concert, Mick came back, in his wild concert
"mode"
and beat her up. She was shocked. Now, I
don't really think that Mick was/is a woman
beater by nature or habit. But Mick has himself
stated that he's a totally different person when
he's doing a concert--he feels "violent" and it's
all part of the rock and roll thing and feeding
off the crowd. So, you could say he was "out of
his mind" when he beat Marianne.
Brian was an extremely sensitive child and adult.
He also had some mental issues going on, I'm sure.
And his substance abuse compounded everything he
was going through. No, it's never right to abuse
another person! Never. And you can hate what he did,
and what Keith did and what Mick and Jackson Browne
and whoever else has beaten women has done. But that
doesn't mean you have to hate the person. It's like
parental, unconditional love. "I hate what you did,
but I still love you." There's a big difference
there. And yes, I believe that Brian would have
changed with age and become a different person, just
like so many other people do. Brian had many good
qualitiies---and there were people who knew him who
genuinely loved him. Rarely is anyone all good or all
bad.
That's all we're saying... |
| 17th October 2007 01:30 PM |
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| gypsy |
quote:
Philip wrote:
Ok, I don't recall Mick being mentioned as someone slapping Marianne about, where exactly is that in her book? The worst thing I can recall Mick doing is kicking some girls bum when they attacked Chrissie Shrimpton.
What is the source for the Keith - Anita violence?
I think it was in Bockris's book - Keith and Anita hit each other in the back of their limo, with Marlon watching. It happened in the mid-70's, at the height of their heroin addictions.
As for Mick hitting Marianne, it's in her autobiography. He was on an adreneline rush after coming off stage, apparently. No excuse though.
The thing is that, with Brian, he hit a LOT of women. And it isn't just that. It's that he fathered all these children and seemed so nonchalant about it all. And a lot of his fans say he would have changed with age, but no one knows for sure. But, as has been stated, it should have no bearing on fans of his music, who want to remember him for his musical contributions. |
| 17th October 2007 01:57 PM |
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| GhostofBrianJones |
At that time no one made him step up to the plate regarding child support,
and helping out the woman who had his child. They had a terrible attitude
towards women back then who had children and were not married. It was like
it was the woman's fault! This is why he never did anything. Also I read that
ALO made him sign an agreement with either Pat or another one of this
girlfriends to give her a small lump sum and that would be it. We all know
that was a self-centered, egotistical decision on ALO's part, which I thought
was against Brian's wishes but maybe was intimidated to do it anyway.
Alcohol and drugs can excacerbate(?) violent tendencies in an individual.
Anyone who has gone to a bar, club early in the evening and has stayed
until around closing or early in the AM has noticed how alcohol changes
people's behavior. Some people are violent drunks. Some are silly drunk.
Some are withdrawn and sad. I never went to a bar and drank. I always
loaded up on the booze and drank myself near the passing out stage because
I did not want others to see me that way. When I quit 10 years ago I was
headed toward drinking in the day & night but glad I did not. Brian's
anger, resentments, and etc. may have been brought out in full force when
he was using whatever mood altering chemicals he was under at the time.
I think he started earlier than 1962 at the age of 20 as most teens usually do.
I don't think Keith has hit Patti either. She could call the cops on him and
press charges so fast it would make his head spin. Keith has always impressed me as someone who basically has a very patient, easy going,
kind personality and he loves animals and he has been very good to his
children. With Anita, I thought for a long time if she had learned Karate
or Judo really well she could have defended herself quite effectively back
when she was dating Brian or anyone who tried to engage themselves in
a physical altercation with her. Certainly would have been interesting!
But Keith may have had his moments of rage and anger especially with
heroin and other substances. I hope he doesn't now for his sake.
RE: Ric Flair left the WWE
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| 17th October 2007 03:19 PM |
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| Philip |
Wow I'm really surprised! I don't remember reading that about Mick in Marianne's book! Was it during the 67 tour of Europe? That was a pretty bad tour for riots.
Regarding Keith, even though it's in a book, it's a dubious one no? I don't view Victor Bockris as being a great relayer of facts. These guys are always spicing things up to sell books.
Has Marlon, Anita or even Keith talked about this?
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| 17th October 2007 03:24 PM |
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| pdog |
Let's just put this out in the open, where it belongs. Who among us hasn't wished to have a Rolling Stones hit them?
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| 17th October 2007 04:29 PM |
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| FotiniD |
quote:
pdog wrote:
Let's just put this out in the open, where it belongs. Who among us hasn't wished to have a Rolling Stones hit them?
I'd like Keith to hit on me, does that count? 
[Edited by FotiniD] |
| 17th October 2007 05:48 PM |
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| GhostofBrianJones |
If Brian was here I would do him in a heartbeat and then some.
Tag teams sound good. |
