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| texile |
i should clarify - the somoza regime in nicaraugua mangaged to exploit the funds it recieved through various channels.....but the corruption was outside of the stones' involvement.......
i would love the stones to be more politically charged, but not in a superficial way like live 8;
i have a feeling jagger is too smart and too aware of the complexities of these issues to shout emty slogans.. |
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| pdog |
Who put up the cash to make Live 8 happen? |
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| PartyDoll MEG |
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While Gazza makes some good points, corgi is all over it! Game to corgi. This time...
Amen Brother! But if we are truly honest, we would have loved our Stones to show up and blow them all out of the water!  |
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| texile |
yeah corgi, i'd forgotten about geldof's survivor shit......what else does he do apart from hobnobbing with the british noble classes who bow at his feet?
that's indicting in itself; |
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| Gazza |
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to increase the fanbase gazza? you have a point, but the stones have proven once again, as jb, corgi and glencar stated so eloquently, that they are singular.....
they don't play to the masses of bad taste and transient motivations; i was praying they would ignore the hype and misguided bullshit of live 8;
just think, every benefit - from bangladesh to live aid to farm aid - has been under fire for some corruption or other...
the stones earthquake benenfit in 73 (granted, smaller in scope) was, by all accounts, a success;
taking part in hastily organized and thought-out spectacles is not worth all the exposure in the end -
watching this phenomenon of egoinfested "compassion" - i'm proud to be a stones fan.
of course, we could question thier own motives all we want but....the stones don't do anything for anyone else, but sometimes that's a smart thing.
if they dont play to the masses of bad taste, then why play so many shows in casinos. What the hell has that got to do with rock n roll?
And do you honestly for one second believe they would have played that Nicaraguan benefit show had Jagger's wife not come from the city that had been flattened?
I dont have a problem with the Stones NOT playing the show yesterday - I just think it was a missed opportunity.
I dont agree with the cynical attitude a lot of people have towards it but I can respect the opinion that feels that way to a certain degree. (Its hardly Geldof's fault that the world of showbusiness seems full of vacuous celebrities who an idiotic public have made icons of. But hes made his name in that business, and if the guy is going to raise awareness, then the cause is more important that the shortcomings of the people involved). However, its sad to see how jaded so many people become towards a charitable event where ANY such event gets so casually dismissed as if it has no redeeming purpose whatsoever.
Corgi's points were pretty good and funny as always but at the same time mate, you've bitched at the Stones numerous times for not reaching out to people and for catering to an ageing fanbase. yesterday was an opportunity to stop that rot. In my opinion, they blew it (and the fact that they appeared at the original show in seperate and fragmented form indicates to me that either they dont have a problem with the cause or else that their participation first time around was phoney)
T&A - we all know some Stones fans under 30 or 35. But they dont really have a solid fanbase worth a damn. That audience isnt exposed to their music for the most part and cant relate to them. The Stones' audience is rapidly ageing with each tour and not being replaced by new fans. When you hear of a Stones fan in their 20's, you show surprise and remember them because its such a comparative rarity |
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| texile |
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obviously not, but that was an isolated occasion with personal circumstances, they were not jumping on a bandwagon....which is part of the point.
i loved and was motivated by the amnesty concerts in 86 because they were specifically about urging involvement...now that would have been a great opportunity for the stones, but nobody is talking about the issues of live 8 - just who sucked and who didn't suck.......
as for live-aid - yeah, jagger had a solo album and kieth was pissed off.....i don't think the stones DO charity well - but at least thier honest about their indifference if that is indeed what it is - we don't know WHY the stones do anything.
i prefer that to phony activism.
like party doll - everytime these things come up -i secretly wish the stones could kick ass at these events and show everybody who the greatest rock and roll band in history is, but hey - it's a momentary lapse of reason.....
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| PartyDoll MEG |
Here is my 2 cents worth and then I'm off to a picnic.
Live 8 served the purpose of educating Joe Q, Public about poverty, starvation, genocide in Africa. It also served the purpose of inflating numerous celebrity egos. The musicians entertained millions of people. Will it affect what happens at the summit? The pragmatist that survives in me says: "Hell No"! Yes, Gazza, our BOYS should have been there and they lost a good opportunity to reach our children with light hearted, happy, rock and roll!  |
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| texile |
well said partydoll, and as for those masses of bad taste (should have said generic taste) -i'm off to see war of the worlds...Ha! |
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| PartyDoll MEG |
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texile wrote:
well said partydoll, and as for those masses of bad taste (should have said generic taste) -i'm off to see war of the worlds...Ha!
I am disappointed! Tom Cruise is one of those self- serving celebrities who should learn to keep his mouth shut and just do his job. I will not go see his movie and yes, it is killing me! Sometimes, one must have principles!! |
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| Gazza |
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texile wrote:
yeah corgi, i'd forgotten about geldof's survivor shit......what else does he do apart from hobnobbing with the british noble classes who bow at his feet?
that's indicting in itself;
personally, I'd rather they bowed at HIS feet than we bow to THEIRS!
Geldof's African work isnt an occasional thing, texile, I can assure you. He's kept very active and vocal about the whole thing for over 20 years. Since the success of the original Band Aid/ Live Aid event 20 years ago, theyve kept that momentum going with such public awareness things such as Comic Relief and Children In Need, both of which are ongoing projects and have been for almost two decades, raising millions of pounds each year through telethons shown on the BBC for people at home and in the Third World. A lot of the celebs involved, particularly Geldof, go to Africa regularly to help the volunteers from the charities who are over there already. |
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| pdog |
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personally, I'd rather they bowed at HIS feet than we bow to THEIRS!
Geldof's African work isnt an occasional thing, texile, I can assure you. He's kept very active and vocal about the whole thing for over 20 years. Since the success of the original Band Aid/ Live Aid event 20 years ago, theyve kept that momentum going with such public awareness things such as Comic Relief and Children In Need, both of which are ongoing projects and have been for almost two decades, raising millions of pounds each year through telethons shown on the BBC for people at home and in the Third World. A lot of the celebs involved, particularly Geldof, go to Africa regularly to help the volunteers from the charities who are over there already.
I find it odd how many people attack someone who is trying to some good in the world.
If it was you or someone you knew in need, I don't think you'd feel so good about all the criticism.
I still want to know who bankrolled the concerts, someone had to put up some big bucks to make it happen... |
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| Gazza |
Harvey Goldsmith promoted the London concert, pdog, so he would have organised all that. He's the biggest concert promoter in the UK and has been for over a quarter of a century
Dont know about the other shows |
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| Gazza |
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PartyDoll MEG wrote:
Here is my 2 cents worth and then I'm off to a picnic.
Live 8 served the purpose of educating Joe Q, Public about poverty, starvation, genocide in Africa. It also served the purpose of inflating numerous celebrity egos. The musicians entertained millions of people.
I agree. And if it inflated a few egos along the way, then so what? We'll live. I doubt any of the people it was intended to help will give a flying fuck about that as long as they are able to eat and have clean water to drink. Personally, the fact that some musician may feel a bit better about himself today isnt going to keep me awake at night.
A musician gets his ego fed, millions of people get entertained, no one gets hurt and hopefully a few million people's miserable lives may improve. And the problem with that is what, precisely?
The end entirely justifies the means IMO.
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| Moonisup |
anyone who gives something to charity gets his ego fed, we give some, and artists play on live aid, it's, I think, the same |
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GEORGE MICHAEL STOLE THE SHOW |
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| pdog |
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Gazza wrote:
Harvey Goldsmith promoted the London concert, pdog, so he would have organised all that. He's the biggest concert promoter in the UK and has been for over a quarter of a century
Dont know about the other shows
Thanks Gazza... |
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| pdog |
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Gazza wrote:
And the problem with that is what, precisely?
The end entirely justifies the means IMO.
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See this is exactly what I don't understand about all this.
Why are people so critical of the cause/event?
Nothing bad comes from this, worst case scenario things remain the same. At least people put forth the effort and did it in a cool way. It's not like they put on socket puppet play. People went out of their way to put on an event and bring people together!
Fucking Americans too! Unity is something not taught in my country. Instead it's the opposite, do nothing and put down those that try... Anyone wonder why are kids grow up so fucked up?
I enjoyed it for my part, and I didn't even see too many bands I really love, and i still think it was kinda cool!
Anyone who says that the artists did this to inflate their egos only, please tell me next weeks lotto numbers b/c you're a mind reader or psychic or something!
Know what I'm thinking now?
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| kath |
meanwhile...
Section Row Type Ticket Price Convenience Charge Description
315 K ALL TICKETS US $95.00 US $12.90
PRICE LEVEL 3
THIRD OF THREE LEVELS - 300 LEVEL
LIMITED VIEW SEATING
**INFORM CUST OF LIMITED VIEW/HAVE THEM SIGN BACK OF TIX**
not only third of three levels and row "K"....but limited view!!!! JUST KILL ME!!!! |
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| Flairville |
Hi all! Just gor back from Live 8. You can diss the show/performers all you like. It was a great event, great atmosphere. I didn't see one arguement let alone a fight. I was really disappointed the Stones didn't appear. The gig needed more rock and roll. That's my only critisism, there was too much soul, too many ballads etc. Elton rocked, Robbie did if you like that sort of thing, Madonna was great. It lacked some really good, up tempo rock and roll. If the Stones would have come out and done 3 war horses the place would have gone insane. The opening riff to Satisfaction or Start Me Up would have been electric. They really missed a great opportunity. And to all the cynics, it's only rock and roll and it can only do good even if it's not the perfect solution. Lighten up and try and see the good that can be done rather than sitting ignorantly at your PC's quite happy to critisise, without offering any useful or humane solutions yourselves.
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| jb |
Thanks again Mick for not giving in to this orgy of egosof talentless hacks who the media would have claimed blew the "wrinkly" rockers away. Get ready for the tour, give us a great show, and that's all you owe anybody!!! The Stones are in a class by themselves...they , unlike any of the wankers who performed yesterday, are larger than life...they need not satisfy some fans/media/and Geldorf by pretending to be something they aren't.....they make rock music, better than anyone ever has or ever will....U2/Macca/Pink Flamingos/Coldplay/Elton/Madonna, et al are not worth the toliet paper Joey shits on. Give me Exile, SF, BB. LIB, and the fabric of rcok and roll in sewn....... |
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| texile |
and that should be the last word.....lol. |
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| Gazza |
You may not "look like a rectum", Josh but you sure as hell are an expert in talking out of one |
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| Angiegirl |
LOL, amen to that. |
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| Soldatti |
I think that they missed a great opportunity to play Live 8, nothing will change but a 5 minutes guest performance of any of the 4 members is not a good sign. |
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| sirmoonie |
The WHO!
Maximum rhythm and blues.
Max o' mim. Rhyth o' blues. |
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| Soldatti |
Comercial impact of Live 8 in UK:
Amazon.co.uk bestsellers:
4. Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon (!!!)
6. The Who - The Ultimate Collection
10. Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here
15. Paul McCartney - Back In The World
24. Pink Floyd - The Wall
26. Sting & The Police - The Best Of...
41. Pink Floyd - Echoes
44. Pink Floyd - Animals
53. Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon (2003 edition)
77. Pink Floyd - Meddle
86. Pink Floyd - A Momentary Lapse...
87. Pink Floyd - Division Bell
+ 4 U2 albums in the Top 100
The Stones?
The best seller right now is Forty Licks at #322, the top studio album on the list is Let It Bleed at #1200. |
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| sirmoonie |
That Islamo-bag in the upper right looks suspiciously like the new Iranian Hezbo-dick.
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| Bloozehound |
I'm just glad jagger didn't go onstage with George Micheal, I was really starting to revaluate my fandom.. |
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| steel wls |
I thought the show sucked, and the coverage was a disgrace. I did think Pink Floyd was awsome. It was nice to see Roger and Dave trade vocals on Comfortably Numb. It was horrible that the coverage broke away from the song, and went to the idiotic vj's then returned to Floyd. The Who was cool too. |
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| Gazza |
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steel wls wrote:
I thought the show sucked, and the coverage was a disgrace. I did think Pink Floyd was awsome. It was nice to see Roger and Dave trade vocals on Comfortably Numb. It was horrible that the coverage broke away from the song, and went to the idiotic vj's then returned to Floyd. The Who was cool too.
a case of "wish you were here"
the BBC's coverage was superb. Cant really fault it considering so much was happening at the one time. 14 hours worth and then repeated immediately afterwards through the night on BBC Three on satellite.
Only gripe was that they suspended the interactive service after the London show when they went straight to Philly, thus robbing us of the chance to see the end of the Canadian gig and especially Neil Young.
Flairville - did you get someone to video it for you? I got the 'cream' of the Hyde Park show on a couple of DVDs. |
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