quote:robpop wrote:
Some say if Obama gets the nomination he will get wacked. Take him on the death pool.
Thanks...You just made me $10 in the "Squeaky Fromme Wannabe" pool
5th March 2008 09:16 PM
Riffhard
quote:pdog wrote:
Those numbers aren't big, considering the war in Iraq costs $275 million per day. Do you know what that costs breaks down to, to every household in America a day... way more than helathcare and education... for me it is an ends justifying the means. Seriously, you get your war, I get healthcare and education... fuck it, it's only money! If our kids are worth it, then our kids are WORTH it, right?
Compared to the huge GDP our military spending is in line with most other countries, and no where near what it was during WWII. The war, while expensive, still gets only a fraction of our GDP compared to other expenditures. We as a country spend way way way more on public education than we do on our military in peace or war, yet have one of the worst public education systems in the western hemisphere. We also spend an insane amount on other ridiculous entitlment programs.
Riffy
5th March 2008 09:19 PM
Starbuck
riffy....moonie has got you here. you complain about billions in new spending and "taxing the rich/everyone" to pay for it...but yet your boy triples the deficit with an undending war that costs about a billion to two billion per week and no plan to leave or to pay for it....
yet the dems are the idiots.
i don't get it. does 2+2=3 in riffy's world?
[Edited by Starbuck]
5th March 2008 09:23 PM
gimmekeef
Well its now down to The Three Stooges for POTUS.Personally Im hoping for a late independent run by Shemp
5th March 2008 09:24 PM
Riffhard
quote:sirmoonie wrote:
No. Holy Marigold, no.
Back up. Try to think chronologically.
Read what you wrote first. Think about the wayward point you tried to express.
Then read what I wrote second. Assume it was a response to what you wrote first.
Then read what you wrote third. Read it in slow motion. See? See where that went? You threw a mormball and didn't even know it.
Okay now, try again. Get closer to the keyboard if you need to.
Moonie perhaps it is you that needs to reread what I posted. I will support McRINO because he is undeniably more qualified to defend the country at a time when 7th century wackjobs want to kill us all. He knows that it is not "fear mongering" by addressing these fact. However, on many other issues he is not even close to conservative, but I'll tell ya what, you just go on believing whatever the hell you want on that score.
Riffy
5th March 2008 09:29 PM
Fiji Joe
This about says all you really need to know about anything you need to know about
5th March 2008 09:36 PM
gimmekeef
quote:Fiji Joe wrote:
This about says all you really need to know about anything you need to know about
That is so Hip!..Tragically so
5th March 2008 09:39 PM
pdog
quote:gimmekeef wrote:
Well its now down to The Three Stooges for POTUS.Personally Im hoping for a late independent run by Shemp
Hahahaha... me to brother!
5th March 2008 09:42 PM
Riffhard
quote:Starbuck wrote:
riffy....moonie has got you here. you complain about billions in new spending and "taxing the rich/everyone" to pay for it...but yet your boy triples the deficit with an undending war that costs about a billion to two billion per week and no plan to leave or to pay for it....
yet the dems are the idiots.
i don't get it. does 2+2=3 in riffy's world?
[Edited by Starbuck]
Bucky the difference is this. I know for an absolute fact that this war must be fought, and it must be won. Cost be damned. I know this to be true just as so many in the military have stated time and time again. Still the cost of the war is a pittence when compared to the cash we are spending on ridiculous entitlement programs that the Dems have foisted on our backs.
Now Obama is saying that every child should have the right to a college education?! Hillary is talking about a $5,000.00 US bond for all children born in the USA! WTF? Bullshit! Those are not rights at all! That is something that must be earned, and worked hard to obtain. Many have done just that in the USA. When the government gets the hell outta the way the American Dream is still very obtainable if one wants it bad enough. Same goes for healthcare! Nowhere in the constitution does it say that the government owes me a health care plan! I pay for that out of my own pocket thank you very much, and I sure as hell don't want the government to tell what kind of coverage I can, or can't have. That is the very definiton of socialism. I want no part of that.
Riffy
5th March 2008 10:10 PM
pdog
quote:Riffhard wrote:
Bucky the difference is this. I know for an absolute fact that this war must be fought, and it must be won. Cost be damned. I know this to be true just as so many in the military have stated time and time again. Still the cost of the war is a pittence when compared to the cash we are spending on ridiculous entitlement programs that the Dems have foisted on our backs.
Now Obama is saying that every child should have the right to a college education?! Hillary is talking about a $5,000.00 US bond for all children born in the USA! WTF? Bullshit! Those are not rights at all! That is something that must be earned, and worked hard to obtain. Many have done just that in the USA. When the government gets the hell outta the way the American Dream is still very obtainable if one wants it bad enough. Same goes for healthcare! Nowhere in the constitution does it say that the government owes me a health care plan! I pay for that out of my own pocket thank you very much, and I sure as hell don't want the government to tell what kind of coverage I can, or can't have. That is the very definiton of socialism. I want no part of that.
Riffy
Private companies have over 150k people armed in Iraq and fighting in the war. They are employees of private companies, that is called fascism. Kinda makes the healthcare and education thing not really a big deal... and god forbid we have a smart and healthy country, if the terrorist do attack, we are better off sick and stupid.
5th March 2008 10:15 PM
robpop
quote:pdog wrote:
Private companies have over 150k people armed in Iraq and fighting in the war. They are employees of private companies, that is called fascism. Kinda makes the healthcare and education thing not really a big deal... and god forbid we have a smart and healthy country, if the terrorist do attack, we are better off sick and stupid.
Word.
5th March 2008 10:50 PM
Riffhard
quote:pdog wrote:
Private companies have over 150k people armed in Iraq and fighting in the war. They are employees of private companies, that is called fascism. Kinda makes the healthcare and education thing not really a big deal... and god forbid we have a smart and healthy country, if the terrorist do attack, we are better off sick and stupid.
Pdog there is nothing fascist about private companies hiring armed security personal, or even paid military trainers. It's not as if these people are going to be highjacking the Iraqi government. They are there as paid security guards and the like. Nothing wrong with that.
As far as the US Education system goes? Forget it. Don't even get me started. My sister-in-law has been in the education bussiness for over 25 years, and she can only shake her head in disgust at what teacher's unions and politicians have managed to do to it. We spend more on education than all of Europe combinded, and yet we have shit results. Throwing more cash at this problem is not the answer! The problem can only be addressed by weeding out shit teachers and administrators, and getting rid of unions that care more about defending piss poor teachers than educating the kids in their keep. The schools, the districts, the teachers, and yes, the unions, must be held to account.
Riffy
[Edited by Riffhard]
5th March 2008 11:13 PM
pdog
quote:Riffhard wrote:
Pdog there is nothing fascist about private companies hiring armed security personal, or even paid military trainers. It's not as if these people are going to be highjacking the Iraqi government. They are there as paid security guards and the like. Nothing wrong with that.
Blackwater is running it's own miltary ops, has it's own intel organization, and has zero accountabilty, not the same as training and guarding... and let's not forget, they are being paid massive amounts of money, to do things our military and intel services can do.... so we zero accountabilty at 100 times the cost...
and yes, it is fascist when our govt. is run by financial, and industrial companies among a few types. and it is insane, that we know have private armies, operating in our name.
5th March 2008 11:18 PM
pdog
quote:Riffhard wrote:
As far as the US Education system goes? Forget it. Don't even get me started. My sister-in-law has been in the education bussiness for over 25 years, and she can only shake her head in disgust at what teacher's unions and politicians have managed to do to it. We spend more on education than all of Europe combinded, and yet we have shit results. Throwing more cash at this problem is not the answer! The problem can only be addressed by weeding out shit teachers and administrators, and getting rid of unions that care more about defending piss poor teachers than educating the kids in their keep. The schools, the districts, the teachers, and yes, the unions, must be held to account.
Riffy
[Edited by Riffhard]
Weeding out.. dude one of the two 1st grade teachers at my school is getting laid off, increasing the class from 24 to 37... We already are buying school suplies. I don't give a shit how much, or who spends more. Our system is fucked, and no child keft behind is bullshit. My wife was a teacher, so I know a bit too. do you know what 37 time $4k is... that sum is the amount of money, spent in Iraq each day per student family. You know why Europe is better at educating... b/c they don't lie to their people to fund a bullshit war.
5th March 2008 11:33 PM
sirmoonie
George Walker Bush III is a by-product of the best private education his father tied to buy him. And he isn't exactly color busting on the Bell Curve.
Indeed, it could be the case that we are pretty much fucked. I'm just saying.
5th March 2008 11:52 PM
Riffhard
quote:pdog wrote:
Blackwater is running it's own miltary ops, has it's own intel organization, and has zero accountabilty, not the same as training and guarding... and let's not forget, they are being paid massive amounts of money, to do things our military and intel services can do.... so we zero accountabilty at 100 times the cost...
and yes, it is fascist when our govt. is run by financial, and industrial companies among a few types. and it is insane, that we know have private armies, operating in our name.
Blackwater contractors are indeed held accountable when they have been proven to break the law. Besides even Obama has stated that he would "not rule out" the use of private security firms like Blackwater, as has Hillary. Blackwater personal are held to a much higher level of scrutiny than any UN forces! See the rape and pillage stories by UN forces in Africa in recent for the facts on that.
Blackwater does not constitute fascism though. Fascism represses the individual at the behest of the masses or state. It usually uses an overdose of nationalism or ethnic unity to achieve it's goal. Hitler was fascist, so was Mussolini, but the term can not honestly be applied to a private security firm like Blackwater.
Besides Blackwater is only hated by the Left now because of the Lefts' natural hatered of anything that smacks of militarism for hire. Many countries have hired Blackwater without any negative incidents, and even Benazir Bhutto wanted to hire them because of their immpeccable reputation for providing top notch security. Too bad she didn't, huh?
You want corrupt out of control military? Then look no further than the Lefts' avenging angels at the UN.
Riffy, you know damn well, or should know damn well, that nobody fucked or fucks with Pinkerton.
6th March 2008 12:16 AM
Riffhard
quote:pdog wrote:
Weeding out.. dude one of the two 1st grade teachers at my school is getting laid off, increasing the class from 24 to 37... We already are buying school suplies. I don't give a shit how much, or who spends more. Our system is fucked, and no child keft behind is bullshit. My wife was a teacher, so I know a bit too. do you know what 37 time $4k is... that sum is the amount of money, spent in Iraq each day per student family. You know why Europe is better at educating... b/c they don't lie to their people to fund a bullshit war.
The point is that throwing more tax dollars at a problem that the money clearly has not helped will continue to not help it!! Bush tried to propose a voucher program that would have forced schools to do a better job in either educating the kids or risk loosing those children, and the government funds to a school that would compete for the chance to educate them better. I'm all for it.
To try and blame this on Bush, or the Federal government is just wrong. I blame the unions almost entirely. If the unions, the teachers, and the parents of the children were held to a higher account then, and only then, will things change. You live in a city that is, and has been, run by tax and spend liberals, and yet you still see the problem as a federal problem! I'd say look at the school board in your community.
My community is Republican. My kids go to one of the highest ranked public school systems in the nation. They are both straight A students on the high honor roll. I credit the school board for their overwhelming support of the kids, the teachers, and the individual schools for the success of Point Pleasant's schools. They are all Republican. Every single one of them.
Oh, and we not only spend more than all of Europe combinded for our national school system, we also spend three times more per child in these fucked up schools of ours! Think more money is gonna help that situation out? Think that money is gonna go to hireing more teachers? Uhhhh, nope.
Riffy
6th March 2008 12:23 AM
pdog
quote:sirmoonie wrote:
Riffy, you know damn well, or should know damn well, that nobody fucked or fucks with Pinkerton.
Didn't Gary Coleman work for them?
6th March 2008 01:32 AM
sirmoonie
quote:pdog wrote:
Didn't Gary Coleman work for them?
So you guys didn't elect him because he was black, is that right?
6th March 2008 01:43 AM
pdog
quote:sirmoonie wrote:
So you guys didn't elect him because he was black, is that right?
One of the reasons, also he was short and black. He was also annoying, short and black. Oh, and he's stupid, annoying, short and black.
6th March 2008 01:49 AM
sirmoonie
quote:pdog wrote:
One of the reasons, also he was short and black. He was also annoying, short and black. Oh, and he's stupid, annoying, short and black.
Interesting how Gary Coleman became the most ridiculed political figure on RO. Next to George Walker Bush III, I mean.
6th March 2008 05:49 AM
lotsajizz
quote:Riffhard wrote:
Bucky the difference is this. I know for an absolute fact that this war must be fought, and it must be won. Cost be damned.
Then the President should follow the Constitution (remember that piece of paper?) and declare it. Congress will not declare it, so we have the GOP perverting the Law and the Vision of the Framers. Friggin' unpatriotic right wing loonies like them would be much more at home in North Korea...
6th March 2008 07:35 AM
Starbuck
this is becoming one of the best threads ever.
hi sean! buchholz sucks.
6th March 2008 07:51 AM
lotsajizz
and the Twins rotation is....?
Cazart!!!!!
6th March 2008 08:27 AM
Starbuck
quote:and the Twins rotation is....?
Cazart!!!!!
yes....well....livan hernandez will have a banner year. mark my words!
besides, nobody likes you!
6th March 2008 02:52 PM
Joey
"To show power truly you not only have to show how it is used but also its effect on those on whom it is used. You have to show the effect of power on the powerless."
—Robert A. Caro.
http://www.robertcaro.com/
6th March 2008 03:55 PM
sirmoonie
quote:Joey wrote:
"To show power truly you not only have to show how it is used but also its effect on those on whom it is used. You have to show the effect of power on the powerless."
—Robert A. Caro.
http://www.robertcaro.com/
True. And Johnson was soaring high, and I mean HIGH, above the Plain of Jars at the time.
6th March 2008 04:00 PM
Dan
quote:Joey wrote:
"To show power truly you not only have to show how it is used but also its effect on those on whom it is used. You have to show the effect of power on the powerless."
—Robert A. Caro.
http://www.robertcaro.com/
When's the next book coming out?
"Best Caro Yet"
6th March 2008 04:41 PM
2000monkey
McCain will win if he gets that nasty abscess taken off his face.
