| 28th October 2007 03:16 PM |
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| Sioux |
quote:
stewed & Keefed wrote:
http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,823956
Actually, most of the arguing is about the authenticity
of Brian's guitars. But it's still interesting to me
how much passion in debate that Brian, or anything
connected to him, invokes... |
| 28th October 2007 03:19 PM |
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| Philip |
Yup, topics on Brian always bring out interesting sides to forum members. You get the OTT fanatics, the peeps who just dig what he did and the OTT haters like oldkr who post pointless pathetic remarks over and over and over....
It truly is a bizarre situation. If he is/was so irrelevant, then why all the fuss about him!?
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| 28th October 2007 07:22 PM |
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| oldkr |
I dont hate brian. I hate so called stones fans who invest their emotions in self-masturbatory fantasy when it comes to brian and his limited if important contributions to the first (now unrecognizable) incarnation of a band we all love.
This museum and the fraudsters behind it fall nicely into that catergory. The authenticity of the guitars is a mere symbol of the distaste I feel.
OLDKR |
| 28th October 2007 08:01 PM |
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| Philip |
quote:
oldkr wrote:
I dont hate brian. I hate so called stones fans who invest their emotions in self-masturbatory fantasy when it comes to brian and his limited if important contributions to the first (now unrecognizable) incarnation of a band we all love.
This museum and the fraudsters behind it fall nicely into that catergory. The authenticity of the guitars is a mere symbol of the distaste I feel.
OLDKR
But, constantly posting 'Brian is dead' etc etc isn't going to change any of that. All that's happening is that you are coming across like some old pathetic c*nt trying to be like Keith in the press dissing Brian. |
| 28th October 2007 08:06 PM |
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| stewed & Keefed |
quote:
oldkr wrote:
I dont hate brian. I hate so called stones fans who invest their emotions in self-masturbatory fantasy when it comes to brian and his limited if important contributions to the first (now unrecognizable) incarnation of a band we all love.
This museum and the fraudsters behind it fall nicely into that catergory. The authenticity of the guitars is a mere symbol of the distaste I feel.
OLDKR
Instead of wasting your time here why don't you go and try to make your crap Keith site worth looking at.  |
| 28th October 2007 09:59 PM |
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| Sioux |
quote:
oldkr wrote:
I dont hate brian. I hate so called stones fans who invest their emotions in self-masturbatory fantasy when it comes to brian and his limited if important contributions to the first (now unrecognizable) incarnation of a band we all love.
This museum and the fraudsters behind it fall nicely into that catergory. The authenticity of the guitars is a mere symbol of the distaste I feel.
OLDKR
You "hate" so called Stones fans. You "hate" the museum. You "hate" fraudsters. So much hate.....not good for your
health. There's enough hate in the world without adding
to it with really inconsequential differences. |
| 28th October 2007 11:25 PM |
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| JOHNNYSTONED |
i dont really see why people have to pick on each other
on a rolling stones board. i love the stones as a band. i
love all incarnations and almost all their music. however,
being old enough to have lived it and remember it, the 60s stones are my favorite. they _seemed_ truly revolutionary
and groundsbreaking then. what a rush it was to heat jumpin
jack flash or honky tonk women for the first time and grow with it. same for ruby tuesday, paint it ,black and shes a rainbow. i dont get the same rush hearing you got me rocking or love is strong or mixed emotions although they are all great songs. if people want to love and remember the brian jones era let them. its their thread and their
belief. it doesnt have to be one or the other. they used to call mick,keith and brian the true rolling stones. brian was second only to mick in popularity. to become revisionist and vindictive does not serve the stones or the people on their board well. brian may be dead but he played a vital role in the bands success. lets give him credit where credit is due and if some of his admirers go overboard in honoring him who cares? remember we are on a board where grown men and women slobber over aging drug addicted alcoholic guitar players and that includes brian as well as our boy keith and ronnie. |
| 29th October 2007 12:22 AM |
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| oldkr |
I post nonsense to match nonsense.
I have no problem with individual fans- well most of them  . I diss all members of the stones when it is called for - yes, even keith. Its the insane levels to which brian seems to have been promoted to post-death that worry me, and the heightened emotional investment some fans have been led to make by certain members of the brian fanclub community; it is those people who actually do everything they can to disrespect brian.
Brian lived knocked out some fun accompaniments to some stellar rock n roll as well as some terrible pop and some sub-par blues imitations, then died. Is what he did noteworthy? of course! Is it headline worthy? NO!
As for my "crap" keith site, yes it needs updating - no I don't have time right now - there's an election coming!
OLDKR
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| 29th October 2007 11:20 AM |
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| EELPIE |
any news from Trevor on the 'investigation' ? |
| 29th October 2007 11:23 AM |
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| gypsy |
quote:
stewed & Keefed wrote:
Instead of wasting your time here why don't you go and try to make your crap Keith site worth looking at.
OH SNAP! |
| 29th October 2007 11:23 AM |
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| gypsy |
quote:
JOHNNYSTONED wrote:
i dont really see why people have to pick on each other
on a rolling stones board. i love the stones as a band. i
love all incarnations and almost all their music. however,
being old enough to have lived it and remember it, the 60s stones are my favorite. they _seemed_ truly revolutionary
and groundsbreaking then. what a rush it was to heat jumpin
jack flash or honky tonk women for the first time and grow with it. same for ruby tuesday, paint it ,black and shes a rainbow. i dont get the same rush hearing you got me rocking or love is strong or mixed emotions although they are all great songs. if people want to love and remember the brian jones era let them. its their thread and their
belief. it doesnt have to be one or the other. they used to call mick,keith and brian the true rolling stones. brian was second only to mick in popularity. to become revisionist and vindictive does not serve the stones or the people on their board well. brian may be dead but he played a vital role in the bands success. lets give him credit where credit is due and if some of his admirers go overboard in honoring him who cares? remember we are on a board where grown men and women slobber over aging drug addicted alcoholic guitar players and that includes brian as well as our boy keith and ronnie.
GhostOfBrianJones? |
| 29th October 2007 12:05 PM |
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| Sid Vicious |
Worshipping dead asshole rockstars is stupid, I should know! |
| 29th October 2007 02:33 PM |
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| stewed & Keefed |
Here is part of e-mail Trevor sent me.
Thanks for your message of support, it means a lot especially as it was also on behalf of the Brian fans on Rocks Off, thankyou.
Regarding the museum, we had some real problems organising everything at such short notice, last Friday night was the only available weekend date before Christmas but Iʼm pleased to say that everything went well, and all the messages Iʼve had since have said what a great night it was. The support band Circus were incredible for kids so young (keep that name in mind, theyʼre gonna be big in the coming 12 months or so), and Egypt, well their experience and expertise, all being ex-Groundhogs members and having played with a lot of the greats really brought the house down. As well as their own set, Eric did two great Robert Johnson soloʼs, Stop Breaking Me Down and Me And The Devil; and Howling Wolfʼs Shake For Me by the whole band was, well just great. The whole night was filmed which in time, when I get the tapes and can get around to it will make a great DVD for the fan club members.
Mat Treiber did, Itʼs All Over Now, Walking The Dog and Little Red Rooster and any Stones or Brian fan would have been proud of him, his guitar work and slide were fantastic. Dick Hattrell and John Keen gave talks on the Brian they knew which, especially Johnʼs monologue was well received, and I gave an update on the research into Brianʼs death. And the star of the night, the Harmony Stratotone was brought out about 11pm and it was incredible to hear the comments from the people who held it (and strummed it) and had their photographs taken with Brianʼs actual guitar.. By the way, I saw on Rocks Off some people doubting the guitar but I can tell you that we have 100% proof of the guitars provenance.
The gig was still going on after midnight and I think myself and Pat Townshend left about 1.30 pm with people still there drinking, talking and chatting about the night.
As I said, everybody who has contacted me since said what a great night it was and we've decided to start planning the next gig almost immediately with a Friday and Saturday night do on 29th Feb and 1st March, this'll besimilar to the one we had in 2004 when Dick Taylor amongst others came along. Roxanne Treiber is promoting and organising the Friday night and the Saturday will be exclusively for fan club members, I'm started contacting special guests/performers this coming week. Iʼll let you know whatʼs happening as it develops.
Incidentally, I was a little disappointed with some of the comments on Rocks Off about Pat Andrews and Dick Hattrell. I can accept criticism when it's due but when myself and the journalist from the Mail On Sunday 'interviewed' them both at Eel Pie Island a couple of weeks ago, and then I wrote the article for our website, I checked both Pat and Dick's quotes with them meticulously, and what I wrote is what they said. They were there way back when and I have no doubt of their sincerity in what they said. I donʼt want to get into any sort of ʽbun fightʼ about he said she said etc but I just wanted to let you know that what I wrote is the truth as to what was said to me, and others.
Well Steve, once again thanks very much for your support, I hope you can get along next March and we can finally meet up.
All the very best
Trevor
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| 29th October 2007 02:40 PM |
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| zooeyglass |
Thanks for sharing this, S & K. The idea of a "living museum" is really such a cool way to pay tribute! |
| 29th October 2007 04:19 PM |
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| Philip |
A friend has pointed out something...
"That Dick Hattrell statement is mighty ludicrous! Even if you leave out the fact that this is the hapless wimp that Brian terrorized so mercilessly at Edith Grove, just what point in Stones History is it that he now imagines he was their "manager" - some mythical period when Brian was teamed up with the Twins but before Stu joined?? weird weird weird"
Can Dick tell us what venues this line-up was playing at on all these mythical dates when the band included Brian, Mick & Keith but no Stu?
:-() |
| 29th October 2007 06:04 PM |
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| GhostofBrianJones |
I remember seeing Dick Hattrell's name in some of the BJ books. I don't
remember the Manager part. One time he took Dick's coat and supposedly
left him out in the cold but who knows what is true or what. This was when
they first started out and were real super poor I think. If you have any of the
Stones books, maybe it will clarify who he really was and what happened
during his friendship with Brian. I wonder if ALO did not put Brian up to
that terrible thing with Stu. I never have like ALO he impressed me as being
a sneaky weasel, a Big Shot wannabe. Like Tom Keylock. |
| 29th October 2007 06:12 PM |
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| Mathijs |
quote:
GhostofBrianJones wrote:
I never have like ALO he impressed me as being
a sneaky weasel, a Big Shot wannabe. Like Tom Keylock.
It's fair to say that ALO was the single most important factor behind the Stones becoming the second biggest band after the Beatles.
Mathijs |
| 29th October 2007 06:13 PM |
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| BriansBabe |
Many thanks to you, Steve, for never give up, to keep Brian´s memory alive...and for sharing the kindly message!!
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| 29th October 2007 06:19 PM |
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| Mathijs |
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stewed & Keefed wrote:
I have been a fan of John Mayall(not Mayal)since the early sixties and seen him play live many times but have never heard or read that he played slide in the 1950's.Where did you get this info from. also Alexis Korner when was he playing slide ?.
Still waiting for a answer.
Quotes from Page and Clapton, that they went to see Korner and that he showed them how to play slide, and the Shapiro biography on Korner states the same.
Muddy Waters played slide when he toured England in '58, Eddie Cochran played slide as well when he toured the UK in '60 -examples that slide playing could be seen in the UK before Brian.
Mathijs |
| 29th October 2007 08:15 PM |
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| GhostofBrianJones |
ALO had his moments but I never liked him, he always was out for himself
and wanted to completely control the band, and just was the kind of person
I felt could not really be trusted. |
| 29th October 2007 10:50 PM |
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| Sioux |
Thanks for the update, and posting the letter, Steve..
I've always read that Andrew was the one who wanted Stu
out {the wrong "look"} and he told Brian, as leader of
the band, that HE was the one who had to tell Stu. I
don't think Brian wanted Stu, the first guys he recruited
for the band, out of the Rolling Stones. Andrew just had
Brian do his dirty work for him.
Andrew knew diddley squat about managing, producing, or
anything to do with studios and recording. And none of
the Stones knew anything either. But he DID know about
promotion and he just winged things and flew by the seat
of his pants. He'd done publicity for Brian Epstein.
Andrew was just 19 years old when he signed on to be
the manager of the Stones. But yeah, during his tenure,
the band realized the dream of being the second biggest,
most popular band in Britain and at least that in the
States.
Mick was supposedly the most popular Stone in Britain,
but Brian was the most popular in the States....at least
in those first, heady years... |
| 29th October 2007 10:56 PM |
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| stonedinaustralia |
quote:
Sioux wrote:
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don't think Brian wanted Stu, the first guys he recruited
for the band, out of the Rolling Stones. Andrew just had
Brian do his dirty work for him.
Andrew knew diddley squat about managing, producing, or
anything to do with studios and recording.
re your first comment probabl;y true - tho brian (along with Mick and Keith) were quite happy to go along wit it
and he may have known nothing about record producing - but no doubt he was "cutting edge" stuff when it came to management esp. press/media manipulation
the thing was mick and keith learnt his lessons very quickly and after about '67 they really didn't need him anymore (how stu must have laughed)
and like so many others he was jettisoned (at least he got out alive, if not entirely sane) |
| 30th October 2007 02:17 PM |
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| stewed & Keefed |
Brian.........part 3 February 22nd, 2005
THIS IS BRIAN JONES'S ORIGINAL LOST GUITAR. THIS SHOT IS FOR ROLLING STONES FANS.
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| 30th October 2007 02:41 PM |
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| Honky Tonk Man |
quote:
Mathijs wrote:
It's fair to say that ALO was the single most important factor behind the Stones becoming the second biggest band after the Beatles.
Mathijs
Now THAT, I do agree with. |
| 30th October 2007 02:46 PM |
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| glencar |
quote:
oldkr wrote:
As for my "crap" keith site, yes it needs updating - no I don't have time right now - there's an election coming!
OLDKR
Are you even a citizen? If not, please keep yer nose out of our politics & stick to bashing Brian fanatics. |
| 30th October 2007 02:54 PM |
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| oldkr |
glencar...you try so hard, yet remain pathetic.
Sad really.
OLDKR |
| 30th October 2007 02:56 PM |
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| glencar |
quote:
oldkr wrote:
glencar...you try so hard, yet remain pathetic.
Sad really.
OLDKR
Answer the question. I don't intrude into your country's politics; stay out of mine. |
| 30th October 2007 02:57 PM |
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| glencar |
And really, I'm not trying that hard, oldkr. But do work on that website. It'll keep you out of trouble. |
| 30th October 2007 07:17 PM |
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| Doxa |
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glencar wrote:
Answer the question. I don't intrude into your country's politics; stay out of mine.
What about if Oldkr is from Iraq? Just curious.
- Doxa |
| 30th October 2007 07:34 PM |
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| WJ |
quote:
Doxa wrote:
What about if Oldkr is from Iraq? Just curious.
- Doxa
Doxa, you are not a citizen. |
