| November 12th, 2004 05:33 AM |
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| Cant Catch Me |
quote:
Gazza wrote:
fair enough. You could say the same about "Rainy Day Women" then I guess which has labelled as a drug song because of the jokey "everybody must get stoned" metaphor in one line, even though the rest of the lyrics arent about anything to do with drugs at all.
Well, Dylan almost certainly wasn't talking about getting stoned as in the Biblical punishment of stoning. So it must be a reference to drugs, therefore it's a drug song.
(Funny too, the only thing I remember about "Rainy Day Women" is the "everybody must get stoned" line, but then it's been a long time since I listened to it. I thought the line was repeated again and again throughout. So it's also about something other than getting stoned?) |
| November 12th, 2004 05:44 AM |
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| FotiniD |
Well, it got me searching and I found a little sound clip from "H".
http://www.di.uoa.gr/~bitsikas/v3/sounds/h.au
The quality of the file is not that good, and it leaves out the best part of the song which comes just right there, but just to have an idea of it, if anyone's interested.
There are more sound files on http://cgi.di.uoa.gr/~bitsikas/v3/sounds.html. |
| November 12th, 2004 05:46 AM |
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| Gazza |
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Cant Catch Me wrote:
Well, Dylan almost certainly wasn't talking about getting stoned as in the Biblical punishment of stoning. So it must be a reference to drugs, therefore it's a drug song.
(Funny too, the only thing I remember about "Rainy Day Women" is the "everybody must get stoned" line, but then it's been a long time since I listened to it. I thought the line was repeated again and again throughout. So it's also about something other than getting stoned?)
well metaphorically speaking, its much more to do with the biblical meaning than the drug one. After all, every line starts with "they'll stone you when you're......". If anything, its about people taking pot shots at you, (and the resignation that it happens to everyone) - something that by 1966 he was getting very used to. Of course, the mischievous scamp obviously knew that throwing in a line like "but I would not feel so alone/everybody must get stoned" would be open to misinterpretation...! |
| November 12th, 2004 05:52 AM |
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| F505 |
Gazza I am looking forward to your review of Steve Earle's concert. Have a good time! |
| November 12th, 2004 06:19 AM |
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| bez85 |
Too Much Junkie Business, and Chinese Rocks by Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers |
| November 12th, 2004 06:44 AM |
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| Cant Catch Me |
quote:
Gazza wrote:
well metaphorically speaking, its much more to do with the biblical meaning than the drug one. After all, every line starts with "they'll stone you when you're......". If anything, its about people taking pot shots at you, (and the resignation that it happens to everyone) - something that by 1966 he was getting very used to. Of course, the mischievous scamp obviously knew that throwing in a line like "but I would not feel so alone/everybody must get stoned" would be open to misinterpretation...!
Oh learned one, forgive me, I'm wrong, and you are more erudite than I am. Please don't stone me, then, I prefer drugs!
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| November 12th, 2004 07:01 AM |
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Heroin - Lou Reed |
| November 12th, 2004 09:54 AM |
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| UGot2Rollme |
Heroin (Lou Reed)
I don't know just where I'm going
But I'm gonna try for the kingdom, if I can
'cause it makes me feel like I'm a man
When I put a spike into my vein
And I tell you things aren't quite the same
When I'm rushing on my run
And I feel just like Jesus' son
And I guess that I just don't know
And I guess that I just don't know
I have made the big decision
I'm gonna try to nullify my life
'cause when the blood begins to flow
When it shoots up the dropper's neck
When I'm closing in on death
You can't help me now, you guys
And all you sweet girls with all your sweet talk
You can all go take a walk
And I guess I just don't know
And I guess that I just don't know
I wish that I was born a thousand years ago
I wish that I'd sailed the darkened seas
On a great big clipper ship
Going from this land here to that
In a sailor's suit and cap
Away from the big city
Where a man cannot be free
Of all the evils of this town
And of himself and those around
Oh, and I guess that I just don't know
Oh, and I guess that I just don't know
Heroin, be the death of me
Heroin, it's my wife and it's my life
Because a mainline in my vein leads to a center in my head
And then I'm better off than dead
Because when the smack begins to flow
I really don't care anymore
About all the Jim-Jims in this town
And all the politicians making crazy sounds
And everybody putting everybody else down
And all the dead bodies piled up in mounds
'cause when the smack begins to flow
And I really don't care anymore
Ah, when that heroin is in my blood
And the blood is in my head
Then I thank God that I'm as good as dead
And thank your God that I'm not aware
And thank God that I just don't care
And I guess that I just don't know
Oh, and I guess that I just don't know
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I love the verse that starts with "I wish I was born a thousand years ago.."
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| November 12th, 2004 11:32 AM |
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| Nasty Habits |
Good thread, CCM. Obviously Rainy Day Women is about BOTH the Bible and getting hammered, like any good rock song should be! Anyone read the hilarious account of how this song was recorded? Dylan wanted everybody to get stoned, but nobody in the Nashville studio knew where to score any reefer. So he made his entire band get wasted on this horrific concoction of alcohol and then made them all switch instruments so the song would sound properly fucked up. Which is why it sounds like the world's greatest party ever on record.
A very similar situation happened with "I Put A Spell On You" by Screamin' Jay Hawkins.
1-2-5! What a song! My name's mary jane, I live down the lane!
Let's see . . . I don't think these have been mentioned yet . . .
The Cramps -- Bop Pills
The New York Dolls -- Lookin' for a Kiss
The Heartbreakers -- Chinese Rocks
The Ramones -- Carbona Not Glue
Cab Calloway -- Minnie the Moocher
Louis Armstrong - Muggles
Ray Charles -- Let's Go Get Stoned
Memphis Jug Band -- Cocaine Habit Blues
Lou Reed -- Your Last Shot
Nirvana -- Lithium
CCM -- are you familiar with my favorite George Jones song about drinking, Yabba Dabba Doo, the King Is Gone and So Are You?
Mr. Tambourine Man is NOT a drug song and it's vulgar to think so . . .
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| November 12th, 2004 11:55 AM |
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| Bloozehound |
>Yabba Dabba Doo, the King Is Gone and So Are You?
great song |
| November 12th, 2004 12:03 PM |
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| headshrinker |
oasis - ciggarettes and alcohol
come on then, give me your abuse |
| November 12th, 2004 12:09 PM |
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| Joey |
quote:
headshrinker wrote:
oasis - ciggarettes and alcohol
come on then, give me your abuse
" I lose so many nights of sleep worrying about my responsibilities
Are the problems that screw me up really down to him or me
My ego will just confuse me
Some day it's going to up and use me
Dish me out another tailor-made compliment
Tell me about some destiny I can't prevent
And however much I squirm
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
I don't care what you say, boy
There ain't no way out
Won't somebody tell me how to get out of this place?!
Then the night comes down like a cell door closing
Suddenly I realize that I'm right now, I'm on the scene
While sitting here all alone with a bottle and my head a-floating
Far away from the phone and the conscience going on at me
And on at me, and I don't care what you say
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
Now the walls are all clawed and scratched
Like by some soul insane
In the morning I humbly detach myself
I take no blame
I just can't face my failure
I'm nothing but a well fucked sailor
You at home can easily decide what's right
By glancing very briefly at the songs I write
But it don't help me that you know
This ain't no way out
Won't somebody tell me?
I don't care what you say, boy
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
Give me the key, lock it away
There ain't
There ain't
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out ................. "
Jacky T. ! ™
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| November 12th, 2004 12:14 PM |
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| jb |
The De Franco Family "Heartbeat is a lovebeat". |
| November 12th, 2004 12:57 PM |
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| Cant Catch Me |
Hey Nasty,
I don't mind being corrected, which you did on Mr. Tambourine Man, and you probably know better than I do. Plus, I've been called a lot of things, but never vulgar, so that's an accomplishment.
Your choices, excellent by the way, reminded me of a classic, Bo Diddley's "Pills," covered by the New York Dolls. Bo Diddley's take on it has a kind of spooky vibe to it, appropriately. Never heard the New York Dolls version though. And, please don't tell me somebody did it before Bo Diddley, which would make me vulgar and ignorant.
Ask me one day about when I met Bo Diddley and maybe I'll tell you, since it involves me being both ignorant and drunk.
Regards,
CCM |
| November 12th, 2004 01:10 PM |
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| Jair |
I didn't know some Rolling Stones songs are about drugs... |
| November 12th, 2004 01:11 PM |
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Jair wrote:
I didn't know some Rolling Stones songs are about drugs...
Amen jair-----------------------------> |
| November 12th, 2004 01:16 PM |
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| Moonisup |
obla di obla da |
| November 12th, 2004 01:19 PM |
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| jb |
quote:
Moonisup wrote:
obla di obla da
Amen dutch rik+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++> |
| November 12th, 2004 01:35 PM |
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| Bloozehound |
Juarez Blues ~ J.J. Cale |
| November 12th, 2004 02:29 PM |
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| Joey |
quote:
Moonisup wrote:
obla di obla da
Hello Dutch RIK ! |
| November 12th, 2004 02:34 PM |
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| jb |
quote:
Joey wrote:
Hello Dutch RIK !
Amen Dutch Rik----------------------------->developing.......................................... |
| November 12th, 2004 03:03 PM |
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| Trey Krimsin |
quote:
jb wrote:
The De Franco Family "Heartbeat is a lovebeat".
Huh?
Maybe that song forced you to take drugs. Odd.
It makes me want to drive my head into a wall.
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| November 12th, 2004 03:11 PM |
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| Cant Catch Me |
Roxy Music, "Love Is The Drug."
And shouldn't Bowie be in here somewhere? |
| November 12th, 2004 04:24 PM |
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
Hank III has got some pretty cool drug/drinking songs. In fact, I think thats his muse. |
| November 12th, 2004 04:24 PM |
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| kath |
heroin-velvet underground was the absolute best of them all, no question. second i must say "signed d.c." by the band LOVE. that was an amazing version of that song.
sister morphine is really good, the record version..the groans of mick..the pain in his voice. marianne did it a lot better, i thought. but the song itself is wonderful.
white rabbit is great, but i think it's mostly my melancholy or whatever for the good old days of gracie and marty and paul and jorma and jack
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| November 12th, 2004 04:31 PM |
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| Nasty Habits |
quote:
Cant Catch Me wrote:
Hey Nasty,
I don't mind being corrected, which you did on Mr. Tambourine Man, and you probably know better than I do. Plus, I've been called a lot of things, but never vulgar, so that's an accomplishment.
Your choices, excellent by the way, reminded me of a classic, Bo Diddley's "Pills," covered by the New York Dolls. Bo Diddley's take on it has a kind of spooky vibe to it, appropriately. Never heard the New York Dolls version though. And, please don't tell me somebody did it before Bo Diddley, which would make me vulgar and ignorant.
Ask me one day about when I met Bo Diddley and maybe I'll tell you, since it involves me being both ignorant and drunk.
Regards,
CCM
My soul belongs to the dealer! He keeps my mind as well. I've got one foot in the graveyard . . . no one cares for me!
EXCELLENT CHOICE, Kath!
CCM -- My "vulgar" thing was only a reference to Dylan's own comments before "Visions of Johanna" at the Royal Albert Hall 1966 ("This is typical of the sort of song your English press would call a drug song. I don't write drug songs, I wouldn't know how to go about it. I'm not saying this to be defensive or anything like that but it's NOT A DRUG SONG and it's just vulgar to think so!"). It was thrown in to entertain a hard core Dylanite like Gazza. I meant NO offense. . . I find you a literate, intelligent, sophisticated, witty, and delightful poster!
Bo Diddley is the originator of Pills, as far as I know. It's on his Originator record, so he'd better be the Originator! The Dolls' version was the first I ever heard. You'd love it! It's vulgar!
I met Diddley once, too! In Albuquerque of all places. I got to sit there and have a beer with him at this awesome 50s lounge style bar that I just decided on a whim to go into. He laughs at you if you walk up to him and say, "Mr. McDaniels, can I buy you a beer?"
As far as a good, solid Bowie drug song goes, what about "Cracked Actor"?
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| November 12th, 2004 04:35 PM |
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| kath |
THE PUSHER steppenwolf..... |
| November 12th, 2004 05:01 PM |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
I haven't seen The Clash's Koka Kola on this list yet...
Freeeze, man, Freeze! |
| November 12th, 2004 05:06 PM |
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| Nasty Habits |
Hit the deck! |
| November 12th, 2004 05:11 PM |
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
Well as much as the Eagles put me to sleep, Smugglers Blues is a pretty good drug tune. |
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