This is one jewish brother I can listen to for days...
24th August 2007 12:47 PM
monkey_man
quote:pdog wrote:
This is one jewish brother I can listen to for days...
Mazel to the ov!
24th August 2007 12:51 PM
pdog
quote:monkey_man wrote:
Mazel to the ov!
I think you're the only ones who gets that this thread wasn't meant to be serious...
Did I tell you, I'm joining a gang?
24th August 2007 12:54 PM
monkey_man
quote:pdog wrote:
Did I tell you, I'm joining a gang?
Can I video you getting jumped in? BTW are you serious about going to Bad Brains?
24th August 2007 01:05 PM
Riffhard
quote:pdog wrote:
I think you're the only ones who gets that this thread wasn't meant to be serious...
Did I tell you, I'm joining a gang?
Oh I knew it wasn't meant to be serious pdog. I even read through it a couple of times and laughed out loud. Howvever, when cut and paste boy started messin' over our country he started it. I don't know if you people think that we stole this election,or what, but when you see something that you love and cherish, something that means everything in the world to you gettin' messed over by some cut and paste boy that was doin' some serious drugs that I just wish we was doin'. Well you're gonna get 'im. He got got!
Riffy
24th August 2007 01:13 PM
glencar
I think Chuck is trying to be humorous too, what with all the odd articles and the false de-Snoped stories.
24th August 2007 01:41 PM
Chuck
quote:Riffhard wrote:
Oh I knew it wasn't meant to be serious pdog. I even read through it a couple of times and laughed out loud. Howvever, when cut and paste boy started messin' over our country he started it. I don't know if you people think that we stole this election,or what, but when you see something that you love and cherish, something that means everything in the world to you gettin' messed over by some cut and paste boy that was doin' some serious drugs that I just wish we was doin'. Well you're gonna get 'im. He got got!
Riffy
LOL Ok Mr. Barger!
24th August 2007 04:21 PM
the good
quote:Chuck wrote:
LOL! You make a fetish of democracy in the imperialist First World.
Democracy in the First World is materially sustained by the LACK of democracy in the (neocolonial) Third World. Due to the productive interconnection of the Third and the First Worlds (one supplies raw materials while the other processes them; one supplies the cheap labor while the other furnishes the capital that sets it to task), it's meretricious to posit democracy in the First World: it's like George Washington saying 'we've got democracy here... er, as long as you look past the slaves'---only now, thanks to the expanding international division of labor (globalization) it's easier than ever to 'look past the slaves.'
Chuck, I'm not trying to be mean and I hesitate to make a diagnosis over the internet, but you seem fixated and delusional. Do you believe any of this?
24th August 2007 04:41 PM
Chuck
quote:the good wrote:
Chuck, I'm not trying to be mean and I hesitate to make a diagnosis over the internet, but you seem fixated and delusional. Do you believe any of this?
LOL You think I'm the only commie out here? Open your eyes and, while you're at it, put up some facts to prove me wrong. Insults and ignorance won't cut it.
I can easily prove the interconnection of production and consumption between the First and Third Worlds by pointing out working conditions in, say, the American island of Samoa:
"More fines were ordered Friday for a company accused of running a garment sweatshop in American Samoa. Workers at the Daewoosa Samoa Ltd. factory, mainly women from Vietnam, had claimed they were locked in the compound, forced to work without pay, given little food, threatened and, in some cases, beaten. "The conditions under which these workers work were beyond comprehension," Labor Secretary Elaine Chao said in announcing a new round of fines... The company, which closed the plant in January, was also fined $213,000 last June for repeat violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act' (Associated Press, 'Fines Ordered for Alleged Sweatshop,' 25 May 2001).
This one example, the tip of the iceberg, demonstrates that commodities are produced in oppressed nations for far LESS, earning far MORE profit, than the same work earns in oppressor nations. Putting aside the whole argument of whether or not the labor aristocracy receives any of this extra extracted surplus, it should be overwhelmingly evident that each label in your local Wal-Mart etc., etc., proves that the interconnection of labor between the US and the Third World is HIGHLY ADVANTAGEOUS to the US.
Furthermore, in Latin America, the US owns HALF of the top 20 corporations (Monthly Review, July / August
1999, p. 31). That sure sounds like a labor interconnection to me.
Also: Over 33% of the top 100 Latin American corporations were acquired by hostile US takeovers (ibid., p. 38). Another interconnection there.
[Edited by Chuck]
24th August 2007 04:43 PM
Chuck
For the reading impaired:
24th August 2007 04:45 PM
Chuck
Another cartoon for the reading impaired.
Marx' theory of surplus value:
http://www.iamawlodge1426.org/toonville3.htm
24th August 2007 04:54 PM
Chuck
Alphabetical list of rightwing dictators, reactionary movements, and other reprehensible figures empowered/materially supported by the US:
It seems as though the number one criterion for getting a job as the head of a client state is a willingness to butcher leftists. Indeed, the use of unsavory rightists by the United States began neither with the anti-Castro Cuban emigre community, nor with the Afghan mujaheddin alumni, oh Nelly no!
[the dates provided are sloppily done, I concede. At times, they are just the general duration of the given regime (e.g., Selassie). Most others are the duration of US support while the regime lasted (e.g., Hitler, Saddam Hussein, etc.)]
Abacha, Sani (Nigeria: 1993-2000)
Afwerki, Isaias (Eritrea: 1993-2002)
Amin, Idi (Uganda: 1971-1979)
Arévalo, Marco (Guatemala: 1985-1991)
Bakr, Ahmad (Iraq: 1968-1979)
Banzer Suarez, Hugo (Bolivia: 1971-1978)
Bao Dai (Vietnam: 1949-1955)
Barak, Ehud (Israel: 1999-2001)
Barre, Siad (Somalia: 1979-1991)
Batista, Fulgencio (Cuba: 1940-44/1952-1959)
Begin, Menachem (Israel: 1977-1983)
Ben-Gurion, David (Israel: 1948-1953, 1955-1963)
Betancourt Bello, Rumulo (Venezuela: 1959-1964)
Bokassa, Jean-Bedel (Central African Republic: 1966-1976)
Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal (Brunei: 1984-2002)
Botha, P.W. (South Africa: 1978-1989)
Branco, Humberto (Brazil: 1964-1966)
Carmona, Pedro (Venezuela: 2002)
Cedras, Raoul (Haiti: 1991)
Chamoun, Camille (Lebanon: 1952-1958)
Chiang Kai-shek (China: 1928-1949/Taiwan: 1949-1975)
Christiani, Alfredo (El Salvador: 1989-1994)
Chun Doo Hwan (S. Korea: 1980-1988)
Cordova, Roberto (Honduras: 1981-1985)
Diaz, Porfirio (Mexico: 1876-1911)
Diem, Ngo Dinh (S. Vietnam: 1955-1963)
Doe, Samuel (Liberia: 1980-90)
Duvalier, Francois (Haiti: 1957-1971)
Duvalier, Jean Claude (Haiti: 1971-1986)
Eshkol, Levi (Israel: 1963-1969)
Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz (Saudi Arabia: 1969-2002)
Feisal, King (Iraq: 1939-1958)
Franco, Francisco (Spain: 1937-1975)
Fujimori, Alberto (Peru: 1990-2002)
Habre, Hissen (Chad: 1982-1990);
Hassan II (Morocco: 1961-1999)
Hitler, Adolf (Germany: 1933-1939)
Hussein, King (Jordan: 1952-1999)
Hussein, Saddam (Iraq: 1979-1990)
Kabila, Laurent (CDR: 1997-1998)
Karzai, Hamid (Afghanistan: 2001-2002)
Khan, Ayub (Pakistan: 1958-1969)
Koirala, B. (Nepal: 1959-1960)
Lon Nol (Cambodia: 1970-1975)
Marcos, Ferdinand (Philippines: 1965-1986)
Martinez, Maximiliano (El Salvador: 1931-1944)
Meir, Golda (Israel: 1969-1974)
Meles Zenawi (Ethiopia: 1995-2002)
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire: 1965-1997)
Moi, Daniel (Kenya: 1978-2002)
Montt, Efrain (Guatemala: 1982-1983)
Mubarak, Hosni (Egypt: 1981-2002)
Museveni, Yoweri (Uganda: 1986-2002)
Musharaf, Pervez (Pakistan: 1999-2002)
Mussolini, Benito (Italy: 1922-1939)
Netanyahu, Benjamin (Israel: 1996-1999)
Noriega, Manuel (Panama: 1983-1989)
Odria, Manuel (Peru: 1948-1956)
Omar, Mohamed (Afghanistan: 1996-2001)
Ozal, Turgut (Turkey: 1989-1993)
Pahlevi , Rezi (Iran: 1953-1979)
Papadopoulos, George (Greece: 1967-1973)
Park Chung Hee (S. Korea: 1960-1979)
Pastrana, Andres (Colombia: 1998-2002)
Peres, Shimon (Israel: 1977, 1984-1986, 1995-1996)
Perez Jimenez, Marcos (Venezuela: 1952-58)
Pinilla, Gustavo (Colombia: 1953-1957)
Pinochet, Augusto (Chile: 1973-1990)
Pol Pot (Cambodia: 1975-1998)
al-Qaddafi, Muammar (Libya: 1969-1971)
Rabin, Yitzhak (Israel: 1974-1977, 1992-1995)
Rabuka, Sitiveni (Fiji: 1987, 1992-1999)
Al Sadat, Anwar (Egypt: 1970-1981)
Selassie, Halie (Ethiopia: 1941-1974)
Salazar, Antonio (Portugal: 1932-1968)
Saud, Abdul Aziz (Saudi Arabia: 1944-1969)
Seaga, Edward (Jamaica: 1980-1989)
Shamir, Yitzhak (Israel: 1983-1984; 1986-1992)
Sharett, Moshe (Israel: 1953-1955)
Sharon, Ariel (Israel: 2001-2002)
Smith, Ian (Rhodesia: 1965-1979)
Somoza Sr., Anastasio (Nicaragua: 1936-1956)
Somoza Jr., Anastasio (Nicaragua: 1963-1979)
Stroessner, Alfredo (Paraguay: 1954-1989)
Suharto, General (Indonesia: 1966-1999)
Syngman Rhee (S. Korea: 1948-1960)
Tolbert, William (Liberia: 1971-1980)
Trujillo, Rafael (Dominican Republic: 1930-1960)
Tubman, William (Liberia: 1944-1971)
Uribe, Alvaro (Colombia: 2002)
Videla, Jorge (Argentina: 1976-1981)
Yeltsin, Boris (Russia: 1991-1999)
Zaim, Hosni (Syria: 1949)
Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed (Pakistan: 1977-1988)
other nasty nasties:
RPF (contra French client Rwanda);
SPLA contra Islamist Sudan, (a French client);
clients in Cameroon, Congo, Ivory Coast, Togo and Benin, after subverted elections (contra French proxies);
AFDL (Kabila);
Dalai Lama (Tibet);
bin Laden’s al Qaida;
Savimbi’s UNITA
Nazi war criminals and collaborators knowingly rescued in the years after WW2 by US intelligence for use as covert assets against the USSR:
R. Gehlen; O. Skorzeny; A. Brunner; O. von Bolschwing; W. von Braun; M. Lebed; A. Vlasov; I. Docheff; K. Dragonovich; I. Bogolepov; C. Bolydreff; A. Berzins; H. Herwarth; K. Barbie; I. Demjanjuk; W. Dornberger; V. Hazners; B. Maikovskis; E. Laipenieks; N. Nazarenko; L. Pasztor; R. Ostrowsky; L. Kairys; P. Shandruk; T. Soobzokov; S. Stankievich; and literally thousands of others.
quote:Chuck wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you on this thread believed the Bush regime's WMD and Al Qaeda nonsense regarding Iraq?
Be honest
Chuck, I believed Saddam had WMD. Because he did. That's not debateable. What he didn't have were stockpiles at the time of the invasion. So, yes, that justification for the war was WRONG. See, that's how you deal with being wrong. You admit it. You have no interest whatsoever in truth. Your clinging to an economic and political model that has been discredited for decades. Even in the land of its birth. Delusion.
24th August 2007 07:13 PM
Chuck
quote:the good wrote:
Chuck, I believed Saddam had WMD. Because he did. That's not debateable. What he didn't have were stockpiles at the time of the invasion. So, yes, that justification for the war was WRONG. See, that's how you deal with being wrong. You admit it. You have no interest whatsoever in truth. Your clinging to an economic and political model that has been discredited for decades. Even in the land of its birth. Delusion.
You haven't proven me wrong with any facts. You've just made comments about my sanity; therefore, you have no credibility.
For those who insist on seeing the Soviet Era as one grand failure and love to crow about the bright glowing future afterward, read this article in its entirety and learn there is more than dreamt of in your bourgeois philosophies.
Russia: Nostalgic for the Soviet era
by Jean-Marie Chauvier
(clip)
"This mood swing began in the mid-1990s. Soviet films are now being shown on television by popular demand, according to broadcasters....Polls by reputable institutes confirm this: 57% of Russians want the USSR back (2001); 45% consider the Soviet system better than the current system; 43% actually want a new Bolshevik revolution (2003). Opinions seem politically incorrect: the democratic revolution of August 1991 (5) has been discredited and there is widespread rejection - almost 80% - of large-scale "criminal" privatisations."
(clip)
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/63/342.html
24th August 2007 07:15 PM
pdog
I'm seriously considering deleting this thread and replacing it with a Shakes The Clown Appreciation Thread.
Tighten it up Chuck...
24th August 2007 07:24 PM
Dan
quote:pdog wrote:
I'm seriously considering deleting this thread and replacing it with a Shakes The Clown Appreciation Thread.
Tighten it up Chuck...
One of the greatest movies EVER!
And this Chuck dude (who I don't remember ever posting anything about the Stones) is a gimmick poster like Bono or Rodney King
24th August 2007 07:29 PM
Chuck
The mechanistic view of socialism as 'economically unworkable' dates back to the 1920s when Von Mises claimed that a planned economy could not function.
As Kotz & Weir note, a serious problem with this explanation of the Soviet demise "... lies in the evidence that Soviet state socialism produced rapid economic development for some sixty years before succumbing. While it did encounter increasing economic difficulties in the 1970s and 1980s, it continued to yield economic growth through to the end of the 1980s."
(Revolution from Above: The Demise of the Soviet System, Routledge 1997, p.3)
Their research, based on western estimates, shows that the Soviet economy did not contract, much less 'collapse,' until stage three of perestroika - "...when POLITICAL means were used to start dismantling the system." (Ibid, p.75,)
24th August 2007 07:33 PM
Chuck
quote:Dan wrote:
One of the greatest movies EVER!
And this Chuck dude (who I don't remember ever posting anything about the Stones) is a gimmick poster like Bono or Rodney King
...says the guy who goes to Hilary Duff concerts. LOL.
24th August 2007 07:35 PM
Chuck
quote:pdog wrote:
I'm seriously considering deleting this thread and replacing it with a Shakes The Clown Appreciation Thread.
Tighten it up Chuck...
It's tight like pussy on prom night.
24th August 2007 07:35 PM
Chuck
It's tight like fish pussy.
24th August 2007 07:44 PM
the good
quote:Chuck wrote:
You haven't proven me wrong with any facts. You've just made comments about my sanity; therefore, you have no credibility.
Gee, the collapse of the soviet union ring a bell? Chuck, your boring. I need to find something else to do.
24th August 2007 08:52 PM
glencar
No friend of Hilary(sic)!
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``Obama is clearly more effective and has the upper hand,'' Brzezinski, who was President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser, said. ``He has a sense of what is historically relevant, and what is needed from the United States in relationship to the world.''
Brzezinski, 79, dismissed the notion that Clinton, 59, a New York senator and the wife of former President Bill Clinton, is more seasoned than Obama, 46. ``Being a former first lady doesn't prepare you to be president,'' Brzezinski said.
Clinton's foreign-policy approach is ``very conventional,'' Brzezinski said. ``I don't think the country needs to go back to what we had eight years ago.''
``There is a need for a fundamental rethinking of how we conduct world affairs,'' he added. ``And Obama seems to me to have both the guts and the intelligence to address that issue and to change the nature of America's relationship with the world.''
24th August 2007 08:53 PM
glencar
quote:Dan wrote:
One of the greatest movies EVER!
And this Chuck dude (who I don't remember ever posting anything about the Stones) is a gimmick poster like Bono or Rodney King
That other a-hole Brainbell Jangler (aka FPM) also only posts political agit prop. I've yet to see anything Stones-related by either twit.
[Edited by glencar]
24th August 2007 09:05 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:glencar wrote:
That otehr a-hole Brainbell Jangler (aka FPM) also only posts political agit prop. I've yet to see anything Stones-related by either twit.
If you haven't seen anything Stones-related by me, you haven't been looking. I'm not going to waste my time reviewing the archives for the numerous examples of my Stones-related posts. I have also posted photos of myself (and my lovely daughters; do you have any kids, a-hole?) which demonstrate conclusively that I am not FPM (though it would be cool to be C10).
24th August 2007 09:18 PM
Boss
I had a four-some with the Dixie Chicks during the Vote for change tour. My short game sucks. Riffy, come to the Stone Pony, Jersey Boy, You need to get Rush Limbaugh off the brain and think clearly.
24th August 2007 09:25 PM
glencar
quote:Brainbell Jangler wrote:
If you haven't seen anything Stones-related by me, you haven't been looking. I'm not going to waste my time reviewing the archives for the numerous examples of my Stones-related posts. I have also posted photos of myself (and my lovely daughters; do you have any kids, a-hole?) which demonstrate conclusively that I am not FPM (though it would be cool to be C10).
Please, you don't need to go through the archives but maybe just show us a couple. I've yet to recall any. And posting a Tshirt of "dumb George Bush" on the london thread doesn't count. Postings pictures of odd assorted kids on the internet doesn't mean jackshit. Crazy had a kid or two as I recall. Allegedly.
24th August 2007 09:26 PM
pdog
i love my countdown clock...
I'm going to make my prediction on the next president, very soon...
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