| November 19th, 2004 12:13 PM |
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| Soldatti |
Sad Sad Record: Live Licks is the 14th worst US drop of the history for an album, in only a week fell from No. 50 to No. 144 on the Billboard 200 and 50-156 on the Comprehensive chart. This list includes old Catalog titles and is the Combined chart, so this first 12 titles on Billboard Pop Catalog albums including Pink Floyd's "Dark Side Of The Moon", Bob Marley's "Legend" and Beatles' "1" among others, sold more copies last week than Live Licks.
The previous "Stones record" was for No Security which plummet 34-88 but that not was so bad as Live Licks. No Security spent 8 weeks in the Top 200, I doubt if Live Licks will reach half of that. This will be, EASYLY, the WORST SELLING ALBUM of the Stones in US, the worst so far is No Security (325,000 copies) and Live Licks is miles away from that, sold less than 30,000 copies in two weeks while No Security did 60,000 in the first two.
A "good" note is that Jump Back is steady at #115 (week 12) and Alfie reached a new peak (#171).
Billboard Update - Issue Date: Nov. 27, 2004
LIVE LICKS
The Billboard 200 - #144 (Run so far: *50*-144 - 8,000 copies sold / 29,000 copies so far)
Comprehensive Albums - #156 (Run so far: *50*-156)
JUMP BACK
The Billboard 200 - #115 (Run so far: *30*-52-58-65-75-93-103-105-103-98-104-115 - 10,500 copies sold / 179,000 copies so far)
Comprehensive Albums - #118 (Run so far: *30*-52-58-65-75-94-104-106-104-100-106-118)
SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL (remix)
Hot Dance Singles Sales - #20 (57 wks on chart)
ALFIE SOUNDTRACK
The Billboard 200 - #171 (Run: 183-*171* - 7,000 copies sold / 18,000 copies so far)
Comprehensive Albums - #192 (Run so far: *192* )
Top Soundtracks - #11 (Run: 20-17-12-*11*) |
| November 19th, 2004 12:14 PM |
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| glencar |
Oh the humanity! |
| November 19th, 2004 12:14 PM |
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| Madafaka |
Wow!  |
| November 19th, 2004 12:15 PM |
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| Bloozehound |
good! |
| November 19th, 2004 12:16 PM |
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| glencar |
This might be the first time a record co. loses money on a Stones release. |
| November 19th, 2004 12:18 PM |
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| Nellcote |
No pub, no bling. |
| November 19th, 2004 12:19 PM |
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| Zeeta |
Justice man! You can't just release shit and expect it to sell?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!? |
| November 19th, 2004 12:23 PM |
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| LadyJane |
Where is jb???
LJ. |
| November 19th, 2004 12:24 PM |
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| glencar |
He's in court representin'. |
| November 19th, 2004 12:25 PM |
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| glencar |
Were you looking forward to one of his posts where he blasts the Brits for being anti-Stones? |
| November 19th, 2004 12:29 PM |
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| LadyJane |
I miss him. Shhhhhhhhhhhh....I find his posts hysterically funny. People get soooooo mad at him....he cracks me up!!
Yeah his Brits are anti-Stones is one of my favorites.
But THE funniest thing I've ever read on this Board are Gazza's anti Bon Jovi posts.
LJ. |
| November 19th, 2004 12:39 PM |
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| glencar |
Yes, I often think about those BJ rants when my best friend's wife drags out BJ DVDs to watch. She's also a big Stones fan so I bite my tongue & think about Gimme Shelter instead. |
| November 19th, 2004 12:39 PM |
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| glencar |
As for finding Joshy funny, it's about a 7:1 ratio of his posts. I wish he'd up his quotient. |
| November 19th, 2004 12:45 PM |
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| jb |
Sorry to hear that Soldatti, but I stated this several weeks ago....You seemed convinced otherwise at the time, but I knew this would be the worst selling Stones album ever.....I stand by my other prediction of approx 212k US for any future album absent any change in conditions.
Lastly, some of you owe me apologizes for the vicious attacks(especially Richard Cranium).
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| November 19th, 2004 12:55 PM |
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| glencar |
That post seems familiar... |
| November 19th, 2004 12:59 PM |
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| Mel Belli |
Is anyone really that surprised? "Stripped" moving 500,000 units looks huge in comparison.
The Stones are starting to sell like an indie band! Now, if we could only get them to act like one  |
| November 19th, 2004 01:01 PM |
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| jb |
quote:
glencar wrote:
That post seems familiar...
Thanks Blue..you even questioned the #'s.... |
| November 19th, 2004 04:29 PM |
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| Mr. D |
I pray these bad sales will light a fire under they're asses, and make them want to put out something good. Then again, Mick might look at the positive side of things and exclaim that "The Sympathy Dance Mix is still number 20!" |
| November 19th, 2004 05:50 PM |
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| keith_tif |
it's not a surprise for me!
I don't see the interest of Live licks! The Stones have made any effort for this album! It's just to win money because it will be soon Christmas!
The Stones deceive me! Maybe they are too old!
We want a very good new album with risks and creation!!! |
| November 19th, 2004 06:21 PM |
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| Mel Belli |
quote:
keith_tif wrote:
it's not a surprise for me!
I don't see the interest of Live licks! The Stones have made any effort for this album! It's just to win money because it will be soon Christmas!
The Stones deceive me! Maybe they are too old!
We want a very good new album with risks and creation!!!
"Live Licks" will be lucky if it recoups the money spent producing and distributing it, so I don't think it's a money-grab. It's laziness. Auto-pilot. Going through the motions. Whatever.
We've now had three(!) live versions of "Gimme Shelter" since 1995. Two of "Street Fighting Man." Two of "Live With Me." Two of "Angie."
Factor in "Flashpoint" and you have repeats of "YCAGWYW," "Start Me Up," "Paint It Black," "Satisfaction," and "Brown Sugar."
"Live Licks" was useless. The Stones being McStones. |
| November 19th, 2004 09:17 PM |
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| glencar |
No shit. At least No Security prededed a tour. This one is just a bomb under the Christmas tree. |
| November 19th, 2004 09:23 PM |
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| Soldatti |
1 - Luis Miguel, a latin artist sold 45,000 copies last week for a #37 debut, how a latin artist singing in spanish sold in a week more than double that the legendary Stones?
2 - According to early US reports, the Beatles' box set will sell more than 70,000 copies this week for a Top 30 debut, how can sell so many copies a box set at $60 with ALL the songs released many times before?
Question: What's happening with Stones' fans? Why we don't buy this releases and Beatles' fans are buying everything? |
| November 19th, 2004 09:25 PM |
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| Soldatti |
Check this:
From Hitsdailydouble:
...Also of note is the four-disc Beatles box set, which lists for $69 and most are selling for around $50: Projections show the set's poised to sell around 60-70k for the week. That�s in the neighborhood of a $3 million gross for one week. Wow.
Question: How much time will take Live Licks for a $3 million gross? |
| November 19th, 2004 09:33 PM |
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| glencar |
The Beatles only release crap every 2-3 years. The Stones have released 2 boxed sets, 1 double live, a best-of & a solo soundtrack all within the past 3-4 months. I've purchased all but it isn't feasible that others will. |
| November 19th, 2004 09:43 PM |
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| Soldatti |
quote:
glencar wrote:
The Beatles only release crap every 2-3 years.
1998 - Yellow Submarine Soundtrack (US #15)
2000 - 1 (US #1, still on the Top 200)
2003 - Let It Be naked (US #5)
2004 - The Capitol Albums (Top 30)
4 albums in 6 years, the "worst seller" is a Box Set which costs $60 and this thing will sell 70,000 copies only in the first week.
Conclusions?
- Beatles' fans are a bunch of idiots
- They have too much money to spend in crap
- They are happy buying this releases
Looking at this numbers, I can't imagine how much can sell a Beatles' live album of the Shea Stadium or the concert in the roof... |
| November 19th, 2004 09:56 PM |
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| glencar |
2-3 years as I said except for the one year gap of the 2 most recent items. Did "Naked" sell all that well? BTW I'm sure Joshy will be tres proud of me when I admit that I have none of those. |
| November 19th, 2004 10:22 PM |
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| Mel Belli |
Guys, comparing Stones to the Beatles in sales is no contest. It's just a fact that the Beatles *vastly* outsold the Stones and continue to do so today.
It boggles my mind that albums like "Beggars Banquet" and "Let It Bleed" weren't huge, that "Jumping Jack Flash" wasn't a No. 1 hit, but it's true.
The way I look at it, being a Stones fan allows you to simultaneously feel like they're the biggest band in the world--which they are, in a way--and the underdogs--which is also true, in another way.
They're the punk alternative to the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, the Eagles, all of whom sold way more albums than the Stones, and over a shorter period of time ... And yet the Stones are the most successful touring act in history.
It's one of the great paradoxes of mankind. |
| November 19th, 2004 10:31 PM |
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| glencar |
And that is the post of the week! |
| November 19th, 2004 11:01 PM |
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| Soldatti |
Great post Belli, BTW Jumpin' Jack Flash and Let It Bleed were #1 in UK (and #3 on US) |
| November 20th, 2004 11:54 AM |
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| keith_tif |
Live Licks is rubbish! Ifthe Stones would make a good album they could ask Marianne Faithfull how she's doing for ler last record "Before The poison", very good album.
And she was interviewed by LE MONDE: she doesn't hide her opinions: for example she boycots Isra�l because they treat Palestiniens badly, Marianne is half jude by her mother, for her G Bush is dangerous and generates Ben Laden and the fears of elsewhere. You can disagree with Marianne but she's courageous to say what she thinks.
A Stone's interview bore me to death beacuse they want always to preserve their buisness, they are becomed Golden Boys but not Rock artistslike Marianne Faithfull, David Bowie, Bruce Springsteen, REM, Patty Smith, Bob Dylan...
Don't waste your money to buy Alfie or Live licks, choose qulity and buy Before the poison.
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3246,36-387752,0.html
It's in french
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