| November 11th, 2005 11:15 AM |
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| IanBillen |
Was just listening to the BBC interview with Keith.
keith was blatently asked "where did you write on the album"? Keith replied "all over it really". He says he worked on stuff in Conneticut before getting to France to work them up with Mick and then back to England where he wrote as the grandchildren were crawling around on the floor below him.
Keith had an entire conversation on how he writes songs and how the song writing went for this album as a whole.
Is he Bull-shiting?
I really doubt it. If he is it can't be all BS. He never once mentioned Mick did most, or the better half of the writing this time. He gave every indication he wrote quite a bit on this album. So you can have it from there. Woody said they were working together on this material as good as ever.
Ian |
| November 11th, 2005 11:30 AM |
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| Moonisup |
yeah sure keith came up with biggest mistake,
and matt clifford and dave stewart got credit because keith soooo much! |
| November 11th, 2005 11:38 AM |
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| Nellcote |
Stop The Insanity!
Whom are we to question?
It's the Stones, dammit.
You will enjoy the fruits of their labor, or,
you will seek out other pleasures.
Please resume regular programing.
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| November 11th, 2005 12:43 PM |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
Yeah, he's bullshitting. And he's good at it too. He's been doing it for decades.
That's why things like the BBC still want to interview him. Keith says stuff that sounds good, but he wouldn't let a little thing like truth get in the way of a good sound bite.
I mean, what did you expect him to say? "No, I didn't write much for the new album." That wouldn't sound very good. And how would he have gotten in that quaint quote about writing with the grandkids crawling around otherwise?
Ian, do you mind if I ask how old you are? Just curious. |
| November 11th, 2005 12:46 PM |
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| Neocon |
Patience Ian, it will all come out in due time. The album was written by a whole team and is full of little bits and pieces of old stones songs. Mick, Dave Stewart, Keith Richards, Don Was, Ronnie Wood, INXS..... It's a lot of people. Keith likes his songs interpreted by the band. Time Waits for Know One started with Keith's Riff.
Break out an accoustic guitar and play She Saw Me Coming Buddy Holly style. That's probably how it started.
Listen to the Opening riff of Oh No Not You Again, then sing Driving too Fast to that Riff. Then think about Street Fighting Man....
No one's coming up with the songs. They are takes on oldies but goodies. The Stones have always doen this, but it was usually with other peoples songs. Listen to the Robert Johnson anthology and then listen to Had it With You. Listen to old Motown and then Under My Thumb, or Bitch. The stones are great songwriters and interpretors, but when people talk about original song ideas, it becomes a bit funny to talk about. |
| November 11th, 2005 01:32 PM |
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| Mickijaggeroo |
Iīm just happy we got another album from the guys, this late in their career. I donīt care who wrote what, it rocks! |
| November 11th, 2005 01:37 PM |
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| MidnightRambler |
Ah Keith. Gotta love him, eh? I think it's safe to say that he only cared about 2 songs on the CD: "This Place Is Empty" and "Infamy" With the other songs...I think Keith knows that Mick's got it under control. He's not TOO worried about it. Keith knows that Mick will write stuff that Keith will/likes to play. Keith's only job is to Keith-ify every riff. Apparently Keith said the riff for "Rough Justice" came to him suddenly in the middle of the night. Great collaboration there. Mick had some pretty cool lyrics and Keith layed out the music pretty good. The song was short and sweet.
If theres any song on the album that i think wonderfully shows the half and half input from the guys are the tracks with ONLY them on it. "Sweet NeoCon" (as stupid as it is) "Back of my Hand" and "Infamy" to name a few are cool to listen to. "Infafmy" would be the best out of the bunch. It's for the first time Keith putting down MORE than Mick. But still, Mick's presence is still there: harmonica, guitar and backing vocals. It's even. When it's the other way around and Mick has more of the song worked out--Keith's presence is minimal and usually hard to find.
They need more songs like "Infamy" |
| November 11th, 2005 01:50 PM |
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| Neocon |
Of course Keith all ready had lyrics about chickens and Foxes, roosters as well as the riff for Rough Justice. He was thinking about Willie Dixon's Red Rooster. Mick agreed the song should "remain in the Barnyard." (Music Connection Magazine).
I think Keith has a lyric or two in few songs besides the obvious. When you listen to him in interviews he seems pretty good with words. I don't know why he doesn't right more. "All About You," "You Don't Move Me," great lyrics.
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| November 11th, 2005 01:52 PM |
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| Neocon |
I meant "Write more" before the grammer police..... get going. |
| November 11th, 2005 01:59 PM |
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| IanBillen |
[quote]Sir Stonesalot wrote:
Yeah, he's bullshitting. And he's good at it too. He's been doing it for decades.
That's why things like the BBC still want to interview him. Keith says stuff that sounds good, but he wouldn't let a little thing like truth get in the way of a good sound bite.
I mean, what did you expect him to say? "No, I didn't write much for the new album." That wouldn't sound very good. And how would he have gotten in that quaint quote about writing with the grandkids crawling around otherwise?
Ian, do you mind if I ask how old you are? Just curious.
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I am 34. SSA I know Keith does tend to BS. I can't kidd anbody about that. But I don't think the guy is a complete liar here either. Maybe he could of said something along the lines of "I wroted some this time but Mick did a good majority on this one" and then brushed it off kindly or slyly. But no he elaborated all over the place on it and it was infact the longest response from him the whole interview. This again makes me beleive what the old dude says holds water.
I think Keith played a major role in it.
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| November 11th, 2005 02:06 PM |
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| IanBillen |
[quote]Neocon wrote:
Patience Ian, it will all come out in due time. The album was written by a whole team and is full of little bits and pieces of old stones songs. Mick, Dave Stewart, Keith Richards, Don Was, Ronnie Wood, INXS..... It's a lot of people. Keith likes his songs interpreted by the band. Time Waits for Know One started with Keith's Riff.
Break out an accoustic guitar and play She Saw Me Coming Buddy Holly style. That's probably how it started.
Listen to the Opening riff of Oh No Not You Again, then sing Driving too Fast to that Riff. Then think about Street Fighting Man....
No one's coming up with the songs. They are takes on oldies but goodies. The Stones have always doen this, but it was usually with other peoples songs. Listen to the Robert Johnson anthology and then listen to Had it With You. Listen to old Motown and then Under My Thumb, or Bitch. The stones are great songwriters and interpretors, but when people talk about original song ideas, it becomes a bit funny to talk about.
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I can't play guitar Neocon. That is why so many shun my view point here. I'll admit it. I do know what they have been stressing happened on this album. It was a joint effort all the way is all they friggin talk about. I do not know why so many are against that idea after how much they have talked about it. They made this fact more prominent than any other aspect of ABB period. We both understand that. And as time goes on and more and more evidence and interviews occur maybe we can agree upon I was not such a silly fool for thinking such. Neither are you for thinking this way.
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| November 11th, 2005 02:20 PM |
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| IanBillen |
quote:
IanBillen wrote:
[quote]Sir Stonesalot wrote:
Yeah, he's bullshitting. And he's good at it too. He's been doing it for decades.
That's why things like the BBC still want to interview him. Keith says stuff that sounds good, but he wouldn't let a little thing like truth get in the way of a good sound bite.
I mean, what did you expect him to say? "No, I didn't write much for the new album." That wouldn't sound very good. And how would he have gotten in that quaint quote about writing with the grandkids crawling around otherwise?
Ian, do you mind if I ask how old you are? Just curious.
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I am 34. SSA I know Keith does tend to BS. I can't kidd anbody about that. But I don't think the guy is a complete liar here either. Maybe he could of said something along the lines of "I wroted some this time but Mick did a good majority on this one" and then brushed it off kindly or slyly. But no he elaborated all over the place on it and it was infact the longest response from him the whole interview. This again makes me beleive what the old dude says holds water.
I think Keith played a major role in it. And sadly, I know it may still occur to you so I'll lay it out right now. No I cannot make it to a show as you may of read. A first since 1981 and something I never thought I would allow to happen as long as I was physically able. Thankfully I am physically able. But as you may have read I am across country living on unemployment and going to school with $500 dumped into my vehicle (and it still needs a new alternator ) just in time for ticket sales. My hands and feet were tied. And I was friggin gagged too. Nothing I could do. It happens. It is a sacrafice I had to make but still would not change that on account of my education.
Ian
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| November 11th, 2005 02:23 PM |
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| voodoopug |
i was unable to decipher who this post was from at first because the topic didnt have enough room to say "From Ian" |
| November 11th, 2005 02:38 PM |
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| BILL PERKS |
quote:
Mickijaggeroo wrote:
Iīm just happy we got another album from the guys, this late in their career. I donīt care who wrote what, it rocks!
THANK YOU |
| November 11th, 2005 02:57 PM |
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| Dick Bush |
Well, Mick was - and probably still is - simply too much into learning of the guitar playing. I'd say, better late than never. Wotta ambition!
He found out a nice hobby and a very cute way to end his career as a jester.
Keef is a notorious wanker, but not a swanker - why would he exagerate about devine stuff like ABB?
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| November 11th, 2005 03:40 PM |
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| the good |
Well, well, well. I seem to recall quite a few people saying "this Jagger's album, Mick wrote it all, Keith is washed up", etc, etc. Their evidence? That it sounded like Jagger (a silly argument), and that Jagger implied this was the case in interviews. Well, now we have Keith implying it was otherwise, don't we?
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| November 11th, 2005 04:50 PM |
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| Neocon |
I think a reported looked at the lyrics and said "based on the lyrics this seems much more your album than Keith." Mick said "It wouldn't be kind or polite to say." Well Mick writes most of lyrics."
Then Mick said "in the main we wrote seperately, then came together to refine the songs." Then Mick said "There was quite a bit of knee to knee in the writing process."
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| November 11th, 2005 05:24 PM |
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| speedfreakjive |
How do we really know that Keef didn't sit down and write parts for EVERY song. We don't know. Just cos he's not playing guitar on a song, it doesn't necessarily mean he didn't write it. I could be wrong, its all speculation. |
| November 11th, 2005 05:38 PM |
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| texile |
im with the sir on this one - i take everything kieth says with a grain of salt.....
he's always known what people want to believe. |
| November 11th, 2005 05:38 PM |
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| T&A |
he's a better bullshitter than songwriter these days. |
| November 11th, 2005 05:56 PM |
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| Gazza |
quote:
the good wrote:
Well, well, well. I seem to recall quite a few people saying "this Jagger's album, Mick wrote it all, Keith is washed up", etc, etc. Their evidence? That it sounded like Jagger (a silly argument), and that Jagger implied this was the case in interviews. Well, now we have Keith implying it was otherwise, don't we?
HAHA!
er..not quite..considering Keith had already said in previous interviews that Mick had done most of the writing on the songs on this record
No one's doubting that keith wrote stuff for it. The extent is another entirely. Him saying he "wrote all over it" isnt the same as implying its close to 50/50. It could just as easily mean that he added some touches to songs that Mick had already largely written.
Personally, I'd take anything Keith says these days with a huge grain of salt. As pointed out above, what the hell is he supposed to say when asked about his contribution - "yeah, I hardly wrote anything because I had few ideas?"
Mick and Keith simply write in different ways. Mick is more likely to come to a session with a song closer to being constructed and fully formed than Keith, who tends to 'grind' songs out while he waits on his 'antenna' kicking in. Perhaps the stop-start way in which this album was recorded lent itself more to Mick's style of making records than Keith's. |
| November 11th, 2005 06:14 PM |
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| the good |
I'm just playing around, Gazza. For some reason I find this debate to be a lot of fun. |
| November 11th, 2005 06:18 PM |
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| Neocon |
quote:
Gazza wrote:
er..not quite..considering Keith had already said in previous interviews that Mick had done most of the writing on the songs on this record
No one's doubting that keith wrote stuff for it. The extent is another entirely. Him saying he "wrote all over it" isnt the same as implying its close to 50/50. It could just as easily mean that he added some touches to songs that Mick had already largely written.
Personally, I'd take anything Keith says these days with a huge grain of salt. As pointed out above, what the hell is he supposed to say when asked about his contribution - "yeah, I hardly wrote anything because I had few ideas?"
Mick and Keith simply write in different ways. Mick is more likely to come to a session with a song closer to being constructed and fully formed than Keith, who tends to 'grind' songs out while he waits on his 'antenna'
kicking in. Perhaps the stop-start way in which this album was recorded lent itself more to Mick's style of making records than Keith's.
Right, I've always fallen in the middle. The 50/50 doesn't ring true to me. I also didn't think Mick did 90%.
But you can assign a % to quantity, but not quality. Rough Justice may be the best song on the album for example. |
| November 11th, 2005 06:25 PM |
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| Neocon |
This is actually really cool. This type of who wrote what thread always gets a lot of interest. It's a sign Jagger and Richards fans want to know there guy had a hand in the songs. I know so sure I as a keith fan want to know he wrote much for Bridges, I don't much like the songs. I think people really like this album, and I can see why. Even the worst songs on the album are pretty good, except Streets of Love. |
| November 11th, 2005 06:29 PM |
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| Soldatti |
I bet that Keith arranged mostly of Mick's songs (a guitar here, another bass line there...) and maybe he wrote 3-4 whole songs. I think that his contribution to the album was close to 30-35%. |
| November 11th, 2005 06:50 PM |
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| Neocon |
Yea, Keith likes to give bare bones ideas and see where the band takes them. I think he cited "Time Waits for No One" as a example of a riff he gave to the band which went places he never expected. He likes to give song ideas to Mick and work with the songs that way. Mick often has a more complete vision in mind. That doesn't mean the song remains the way Mick envisions it. That doesn't mean Keith won't change it or add to it in radical ways. That doesn't mean the song Mick wrote is anywhere near the song that ends up on the album. |
| November 11th, 2005 07:11 PM |
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| Navin |
Any mention about "Boring Broadcasting Corporation" |
| November 11th, 2005 07:45 PM |
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| Bloozehound |
quote:
Gazza wrote:
Perhaps the stop-start way in which this album was recorded lent itself more to Mick's style of making records than Keith's.
Gazza, what was the timeline of events that lead up to the albums release, for some reason I'm a bit hazy on the finer details other than this nutshell: new album/tour announcement late last year, Mick and Keith in France around this time last year working on songs, 2 weeks of booked studio time in Feb/March(?) and then the final mastering this summer
Do you find anything hasty or unusual about any of this, and didn't the studio time initially stir-up rumors that Wood and Watts were only coming in for redub work or just "phoning-in" their parts, leading many to think the songs must have already been recorded without them
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| November 11th, 2005 08:00 PM |
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| gotdablouse |
Ok so did he give any specifics on the songs or stuck to "all over the place" and "grandkids" story ? That in itself goes a long way at establishing that he wrote close to zilch. Not that it really matters given that it's great to have gotten an album, just too bad, there's not a lot of remarkable guitar playing by Keith or Ronnie, Mick plays good "tecnical" guitar but cannot craft guitar lines like Keith or Ronnie once could.
To get back on topic, unlike most of their recent albums, it seems no "serious" interview has done a run down of the songs with either Mick or Keith and got their toughts on it, odd isn't it? Possibly some PR "blackout" on that type of approach? |
| November 11th, 2005 08:52 PM |
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| speedfreakjive |
I reckon Keith bullshitted because he was insecure about the fact that Mick wrote most the songs. However, consider the fact that with Rough Justice, Dangerous Beauty, I Won't Take Long, She Saw Me Coming,Look What The Cat Dragged In and his two solo songs, thats roughly 40% of the album which is at least 50% Keith, and whats to say he didn't come up with some of the melodies on the "Mick" songs?
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