| November 6th, 2005 04:14 PM |
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excellent
LIND
ONNYA
Biggest mistake
Let me down slow
Good
Rough Justice
Driving too fast
Rain Fall Down
It wont too long
LWTCD
Infamy
BOMH
Decent
She saw me coming
Place is empty
Dangerous Beauty
Filler
Streets of love
Sweet Neocon
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| November 6th, 2005 04:17 PM |
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| Bloozehound |
quote:
Sir Stonesalot wrote:
Look, I'm happy ya'll wanna go ga-ga over this album. Good for you. I waited 8 years for this shit, I wanted to go ga-ga too.
Yep
8 years
Dynomite it wasn't, dangerous no, wasn't even a fast fuse, it was just a flat out dud
If anything it proved to me that the Stones have become a bunch of clueless, Ivory Tower ex-rockers who can't cut the mustard
They don't seem to have a fuckin' clue what rock n roll is about anymore and half the band doesn't even make the effort or seem to care, ABB was a Mick Jagger solo album and we all know it
I'm just not into Mick Jagger solo work
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| November 6th, 2005 04:34 PM |
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| Neocon |
Certainly Streets of Love and Rain Fall Down sound like solo Mick, but a lot of it just sounds like the stones and good stones at that. At least to me. I think you're bummed by the lack of Ronnie, but it does sound like he may have taught the other Stones how to play ONNYA. Keith could have done more. Yea, it's a bit dissapointing, but I still think it's a great album. I'm willing to like it if it's good. This is good, Primitive cool..... is not good.
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| November 6th, 2005 05:45 PM |
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| texile |
quote:
Neocon wrote:
This is good, Primitive cool..... is not good.
if its jagger solo - then its a step behind wandering spirit - but still good. |
| November 7th, 2005 07:28 AM |
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| IanBillen |
I thought most of these posters really liked this album just two and a half short months ago?........
Even gave most of the songs really good reviews....
Now all this negativity. What happend to the original posts which said you all liked the album? -Geeze.
Ian
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| November 7th, 2005 07:45 AM |
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| glencar |
Most of us still like it. Read the posts Ian. Geez! |
| November 7th, 2005 02:03 PM |
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| Jair |
Yes, I also still like it, but certainly they were MUCH better.
Wild, crazy, irreverent...fucking great.
They use to be all I wish to be myself, but
now they are all I dont care about it.
I think I'm too old...or they're.
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| November 7th, 2005 04:23 PM |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
OK Ian, here's my most positive spin...just for you....
A Bigger Bang is a very good adult contemporary soft rock album. It will sound wonderful piped in all those supermarkets and dentist offices. But the greatest thing about ABB is that it got the Stones back out on the road.
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| November 7th, 2005 04:43 PM |
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| Nellcote |
Hey SS!
If the day comes when while I'm sitting in the dentist chair, and my voluptious female hygenist is cleaning my teeth, and ONNYA comes on over the PA in the office with it's great lyrics, and sparks will fly, so far as I'm concerned, ABB will have won a Grammy for me....
But, what do I know?
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| November 7th, 2005 06:15 PM |
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| Saint Sway |
the sea monkey analogy is a brilliant one
its a shame that so many of the adults here are too childish to finally conceit that Bang is a weak Stones record
after all the stellar hype that preceeded Bang and the really good songs that were advanced like BOMH, RJ, ITTL and TRIE - its a shame that the rest of the album didnt deliver
its a good Jagger album at best. But not a complete Stones record by any means
the real tragedy is that they are playing amazing every night and theres a handful of songs that live up to that, but the majority of the record is just throwaway Goddess fluff. |
| November 7th, 2005 06:56 PM |
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| glencar |
"Conceit"? I'm amazed you bother with this board. |
| November 7th, 2005 07:04 PM |
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| Some Guy |
I seem to have misplaced my Bigger Bang cd. The sad part is I'm not too concerned over it. |
| November 7th, 2005 07:13 PM |
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quote:
Saint Sway wrote:
the sea monkey analogy is a brilliant one
its a shame that so many of the adults here are too childish to finally conceit that Bang is a weak Stones record
but carefull not let the false promise of the sea monkeys turn you into a complete cynic - i agree that some fans find it hard to acknowledge some of abb's shortcomings....but some of us have forgotten to just enjoy a new stones song....i've become harder to please......just another hard-ass stones fans; |
| November 7th, 2005 07:51 PM |
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quote:
Saint Sway wrote:
its a shame that so many of the adults here are too childish to finally conceit that Bang is a weak Stones record
Who's being childish???? Being hardcore STONES fans I'll assume there's not too many teenagers on board so we're all adults capable of making our own decisions on what music we like or dislike.
I can appreciate those that don't like ABB- I would feel the same way after giving it a fair chance & it just didn't do much for me. There's a lot of music to listen to- so why in the world waste your TIME listening to something you just don't like.
It wouldn't matter to me if it had been eight years, 16 years, 3 years, 1 year, or six months between releases, if it's shit I ain't listening to it. Also, it doesn't matter if the majority of people love it or hate it; whether it sells 10 million or 1 million; shouldn't matter if critics praise it or pan it; I know what I like after giving it a reasonable amount of TIME. Yep, it would be TIME for me to move on to something else.
The fact of the matter is I just happen to think ABB is a very strong album and I came to that conclusion all by myself. If I have any complaint, it's that it's too long. To me 12 or 13 songs would have been better using some of the other songs as B sides for singles. It would have been a tighter album at 45 minutes rather than the 60 plus that it currently has. That's just my opinion.
An observation is that most of the people here seem to like ABB (could be wrong & it wouldn't matter to me if the opposite was true as it wouldn't bother me one iota- I would still have the same opinion) and some who do not. I respect both points of view and both are equally valid. However, if anybody is acting childish, it does appear the few who do not like ABB as some of them (I won't name names) appear to flood the board from TIME to TIME with very negative thoughts as if someone would have to be an idiot to like or appreciate ABB as being a strong album. Now isn't that a little childish??? We are all adults here- why not just agree to disagree in our musical taste or would that take all the fun out of it (kids do seem to have a good TIME don't they)????
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| November 7th, 2005 07:55 PM |
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quote:
Saint Sway wrote:
the sea monkey analogy is a brilliant one
its a shame that so many of the adults here are too childish to finally conceit that Bang is a weak Stones record
after all the stellar hype that preceeded Bang and the really good songs that were advanced like BOMH, RJ, ITTL and TRIE - its a shame that the rest of the album didnt deliver
its a good Jagger album at best. But not a complete Stones record by any means
I'M AMAZED HOW MANY PEOPLE POST HERE WHO ARE TOO CHILDISH TO REALIZE IT'S NOT 1981 OR 1969.
LIKE THE BLACK CROWES
the real tragedy is that they are playing amazing every night and theres a handful of songs that live up to that, but the majority of the record is just throwaway Goddess fluff.
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| November 7th, 2005 08:04 PM |
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quote:
time is on my side wrote:
The fact of the matter is I just happen to think ABB is a very strong album and I came to that conclusion all by myself.
I totally agree, Im wrapped in the new album. I thought it would be a below par Voodoo Lounge and Im glad to say it wasnt.
For saint sway and others who say people like us cant admit its a weak album should remember that that is his opinion. MY opinion is that its a great rockin album. So who is right and who is wrong?
No one.
Its a personal opinion. Im not one of those stones fans who loves everthing they dish out. I have been an open hater of B2B since that stinker came out. The most important thing is if you get enjoyment out of ABB thats great. If not ...well too bad, you can wait for another eight years for the next.
nuff said. boring subject
in an unrelated subject
I have a huge Pharmacy exam this morning, which Im crappin myself over. Im surfing the board in an attempt to keep my nerves at bay. starts at one o clock. worth about 55% of my assessment. been studying for 2 weeks for it. Im crapping on arnt i. ok |
| November 7th, 2005 08:11 PM |
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| Bloozehound |
How much payola do y'all think Virgin paid the music critics to splew joy juice about how great ABB supposively was
I bet it was alot |
| November 7th, 2005 08:15 PM |
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quote:
Bloozhound wrote:How much payola do you think Virgin paid the critics to splew joy juice about how great ABB supposively is
I bet it was alot
My guess is not much as the critics had no problem trashing earlier releases by the STONES. It could be that they actually think it's a strong album. Now wouldn't that be a surprise??? |
| November 7th, 2005 09:42 PM |
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quote:
Saint Sway wrote:
the sea monkey analogy is a brilliant one
its a shame that so many of the adults here are too childish to finally conceit that Bang is a weak Stones record
after all the stellar hype that preceeded Bang and the really good songs that were advanced like BOMH, RJ, ITTL and TRIE - its a shame that the rest of the album didnt deliver
its a good Jagger album at best. But not a complete Stones record by any means
the real tragedy is that they are playing amazing every night and theres a handful of songs that live up to that, but the majority of the record is just throwaway Goddess fluff.
Say you take Rough Justice, It Won't take Long, Dangerous Beauty, She Saw Me Coming, This Place is Empty, Let Me Down Slow, Oh No Not You Again, and Infamy. There you have a Black and Blue length LP with a good proportion of Keith and a good proportion of music that is no where near adult contemporary. Add some Laugh I Nearly Died and generic Blues Back of My Hand and there's a good 10 track Stones album.
Why not just get rid of Streets of Love, Rain Fall Down.... and burn a good Stones album.
Also I think Keith likes that adult contemporary stuff. He said he adored streets of love and it sounds like he did choruses on the 2 country number. He probably confuses the verse style with Dead Flowers as opposed to solo Mick. Then again Keith drools and shakes during interviews......
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| November 7th, 2005 10:07 PM |
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I suppose some of us just have different ideas about what "rockin'" means, and are extremely liberal with the use of that term. That's fine. I freely admit that my interpretation of what rock and roll is, is much narrower than most people's interpretation. I don't include pop or adult contemporary in my interpretation. I like rock n roll, and IMO, A Bigger Bang is not a rock n roll type animal.
The simple fact remains that none of the songs on ABB stands up to anything other than the Stones most mediocre of work. None of these songs are in the top 50 songs of the Jagger/Richards back catalogue. None of them. Not even RJ or BOMH. When you compare the new songs to the rest of the Stones back catalogue the new material shows to be very very weak. IMO. Step back and look at it objectively. Not one of the songs from A Bigger Bang could ever be considered antwhere close to a "classic" Stones song. I don't see any of these new songs staying in the live setlist past this tour either.
I expect better from the Stones. IMO, The Rolling Stones are STILL the world's greatest rock n roll band, and I expect their new material to reflect that. I will not make sycophantic excuses for them. I don't give a fuck how old they are. Fact is that they still play great, and with great fire...I know cause I heard it for myself! If they still play great, then there is no excuse for the mediocre songwriting. They can still write great songs. I believe that in my heart. If Dylan can still write great songs, so can Jagger/Richards. They CAN do it, they just didn't do it this time. And that disappoints me. If that bothers some of you...tough shit.
It is also my opinion that the low points of the live shows are ALWAYS the new songs. This is where it becomes blatantly clear that the new songs are just not as good as the "warhorses". I've heard them play Satisfaction hundreds of times, but I'd still rather hear that than ONNYA or Infamy or Rain Fall Down. What would you rather hear, BOMH or Love In Vain? Gimme Shelter or Rough Justice? You see what I mean? This new material just isn't up to the high standards that the Stones have set for themselves....and in fact, some of it ranks right up there with the very WORST that the Stones have ever released.
So how does any of this translate into a "strong" or "great" album? If the best we can expect is Don't Stop or Rough Justice...isn't that kind of sad? I'm simply not ready to accept that. The Stones still have true greatness within them. I just hope that I don't have to wait another 8 years for them to let it out.
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| November 7th, 2005 10:27 PM |
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>Say you take Rough Justice, It Won't take Long, Dangerous Beauty, She Saw Me Coming, This Place is Empty, Let Me Down Slow, Oh No Not You Again, and Infamy. There you have a Black and Blue length LP with a good proportion of Keith and a good proportion of music that is no where near adult contemporary. Add some Laugh I Nearly Died and generic Blues Back of My Hand and there's a good 10 track Stones album.<
See here is where we differ...you say that that track list is nowhere near AC and I'm saying that it's almost ENTIRELY AC. I see only 3 songs that are NOT AC...RJ, ONNYA, and BOMH. All the rest is most certainly Adult Contemprary music.
A good 10 track Stones album...but it isn't a 10 ttack album. It's 16 tracks. If ABB is a "strong" or "great" album...why does everyone want to cut it down to 10 songs?
Ya'll want to be A Bigger Bang apologists, that's fine by me. But I will NOT say that something is "strong" or "great" when it most certainly isn't. |
| November 7th, 2005 10:29 PM |
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Sir Stonesalot wrote:
It is also my opinion that the low points of the live shows are ALWAYS the new songs. This is where it becomes blatantly clear that the new songs are just not as good as the "warhorses". I've heard them play Satisfaction hundreds of times, but I'd still rather hear that than ONNYA or Infamy or Rain Fall Down. What would you rather hear, BOMH or Love In Vain? Gimme Shelter or Rough Justice? You see what I mean? This new material just isn't up to the high standards that the Stones have set for themselves....and in fact, some of it ranks right up there with the very WORST that the Stones have ever released.
So how does any of this translate into a "strong" or "great" album? If the best we can expect is Don't Stop or Rough Justice...isn't that kind of sad? I'm simply not ready to accept that. The Stones still have true greatness within them. I just hope that I don't have to wait another 8 years for them to let it out.
Personally, I totally disagree with your assesment of the album because to me certain parts of it defintely rock and rock hard and, yes, ABB does translate into a strong album. For me anyway, that's just my opinion.
Also, when did the STONES record all the songs you mentioned above as high standards??? The 60's, the 70's???? How many years ago are we talking??? 30-35 years?? No the STONES of that era are gone and I doubt sincerely their ever coming back.
The STONES of 2005 are a different band. How many years has it been since 1981 which in my opinion was the last truly great album they made. 24 years. It has indeed been a long, long, TIME.
When I compare ABB to the albums since then (Undercover, DW, SW, VL, and B2B), I see vast improvement. I see a strong album and no it's not just my imagination (pun intended).
Hey, your opinion is just as valid as mine but I think mine is just as valid as yours. We just agree to disagree in our musical assessments. It's the way music is. Everyone seems to have different taste. We can go round and round but in the final analysis there are no right or wrong answers. You got to go with your own taste. You got to be your own guide.
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| November 7th, 2005 10:54 PM |
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Sir Stonesalot wrote:
A good 10 track Stones album...but it isn't a 10 ttack album. It's 16 tracks. If ABB is a "strong" or "great" album...why does everyone want to cut it down to 10 songs?
Exactly, inbetween bites of "...greatest thing since Some Girls" and morsels of "...even better than Exile" you always hear'em quip in with something about "...it would've been better if it was just a few songs shorter"
Sup with that?!
If it's so damned great, its great, and you're supposed to want more and more of it, not less and less
That dog don't hunt
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| November 7th, 2005 11:09 PM |
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quote:
Bloozehound wrote:
Exactly, inbetween bites of "...greatest thing since Some Girls" and morsels of "...even better than Exile" you always hear'em quip in with something about "...it would've been better if it was just a few songs shorter"
Sup with that?!
If it's so damned great, its great, and you're supposed to want more and more of it, not less and less
That dog don't hunt
Just speaking for myself, I've never thought ABB was as good as Some Girls, Tattoo You, or Exile. When speaking of Some Girls or Exile, it's not really that close imo though it is interesting to note that SG or Tattoo You each have only 10 or 11 songs a piece which, I believe, is where the ten song analogy may be coming from.
I've merely stated that it's a strong album & their best since Tattoo You but by no means do I think it's perfect. The fact that one thinks a 16 song album has 11 really good songs on it does not diminish it to the point where it can no longer be described as a strong album. Again, in my opinion.
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| November 7th, 2005 11:36 PM |
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>certain parts of it defintely rock and rock hard<
What's this "certain parts" stuff? RJ and ONNYA...what about the other FOURTEEN SONGS??? Where's the friggin' beef???
>Also, when did the STONES record all the songs you mentioned above as high standards??? The 60's, the 70's???? How many years ago are we talking??? 30-35 years?? No the STONES of that era are gone and I doubt sincerely their ever coming back.<
I don't care how long ago it was...completely irrelevent.
You seen 'em play on this tour? You telling me that you don't think the Rolling Stones are still capable?
Bullshit. The Rolling Stones can still rock and roll by ANY standards. I heard it for myself 4 times in the last few months.
Age doesn't seem to be a problem for Bob Dylan. Dylan's work in the last 10 years can stand up and compare well to his work 35 years ago. You think Bob is that much better than the Stones? I don't.
I fucking hate it when people say shit like, The Stones are a different band now, they can't play like they did 30 years ago. I say BULL-SHIT. I heard them play like they did 30 years ago LAST MONTH so what the fuck are you talking about?!?
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| November 8th, 2005 12:18 AM |
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Sir Stonesalot wrote:
"What's this "certain parts" stuff? RJ and ONNYA...what about the other FOURTEEN SONGS??? Where's the friggin' beef???"
The beef, again imo, would It Won't Take Long, Dangerous Beauty, Driving Too Fast in addition to the songs mentioned above. Remember it's an album of different styles but those are five songs that rock.
"I don't care how long ago it was...completely irrelevent."
Completely disagree with this point. A functional band that's been around for 40 plus years and it's completely irrelevant what they've been doing the last 25-30 years??? Not sure I understand the point unless it's pure nostalgia. In other words, they were great in the sixties or seventies so it doesn't make any difference what they do in the decades that follow????
"You seen 'em play on this tour? You telling me that you don't think the Rolling Stones are still capable?
Bullshit. The Rolling Stones can still rock and roll by ANY standards. I heard it for myself 4 times in the last few months."
What a band does in concert and what a band is able to do in the studio where you have to creat new art, new songs is two different things. What does one have to do with the other????
"Age doesn't seem to be a problem for Bob Dylan. Dylan's work in the last 10 years can stand up and compare well to his work 35 years ago. You think Bob is that much better than the Stones? I don't."
Dylan is a completely different artist but let's take your point at face value. You hate ABB so when are the STONES going to make these albums that compare to Dylan in quality??? Hope your right but TIME is going to eventually catch up with the STONES. TIME waits for no one and it won't wait for the STONES.
"I fucking hate it when people say shit like, The Stones are a different band now, they can't play like they did 30 years ago. I say BULL-SHIT. I heard them play like they did 30 years ago LAST MONTH so what the fuck are you talking about?!?
I mean, if we go by your logic...what's the point of even being here?"
I'm here for the same reasons you are. Since when are you the sole authority when it comes to the STONES and since when can I not state the obvious that someone in their sixties (THE stones) is not same person they were in their thirties.
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| November 8th, 2005 12:51 AM |
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Well, forgot about She Saw Me Coming so (again in my opinion) that actually makes six songs that rock. Again, I want to emphasize that the album has different styles and I'm just giving you my personal opinion, some people will agree and other won't. I could care less either way. Such is life.
Look, music is about feeling and I respect your views but you're not going to be changing my mind just as I'm not going to be changing yours becuse we both can think for ourselves.
If you think your views are the only ones that matter and your right 100% of the TIME and anyone that disagrees with you is always wrong, well what can I say??? I believe there is no right or wrong. When it comes to music, everyone has a valid opinion becuase everyones taste is different.
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| November 8th, 2005 03:58 AM |
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exile wrote:
I totally agree, Im wrapped in the new album. I thought it would be a below par Voodoo Lounge and Im glad to say it wasnt.
For saint sway and others who say people like us cant admit its a weak album should remember that that is his opinion. MY opinion is that its a great rockin album. So who is right and who is wrong?
No one.
Its a personal opinion. Im not one of those stones fans who loves everthing they dish out. I have been an open hater of B2B since that stinker came out. The most important thing is if you get enjoyment out of ABB thats great. If not ...well too bad, you can wait for another eight years for the next.
nuff said. boring subject
in an unrelated subject
I have a huge Pharmacy exam this morning, which Im crappin myself over. Im surfing the board in an attempt to keep my nerves at bay. starts at one o clock. worth about 55% of my assessment. been studying for 2 weeks for it. Im crapping on arnt i. ok
Good point exile. I m with you on this one.
I like this record, period.
of course it's not the greatest album of all times, but I like it.
The stones made nearly 30 studios album, so make your choice. allt he rest is blabla.
ps: good luck for your exam Exile! |
| November 8th, 2005 05:52 AM |
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The simple fact remains that none of the songs on ABB stands up to anything other than the Stones most mediocre of work. None of these songs are in the top 50 songs of the Jagger/Richards back catalogue. None of them. Not even RJ or BOMH.
Ok then,
Sir Stones my friend, which parts of Dirty Work, Undercover and Steel Wheels stands up better than A Bigger Bang as you say "most mediocre of work
you must have ears on your asshole mate 
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| November 8th, 2005 06:49 AM |
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quote:
Bloozehound wrote:
How much payola do y'all think Virgin paid the music critics to splew joy juice about how great ABB supposively was
I bet it was alot
Me Too!
Funny things about it: down here in Brasil, a respectable market due to huge population, every news and mags made VERY positive reviews.
In the second biggest newspaper here, "O Globo", from Rio de Janeiro, happened a "strange" thing: the guy who wrote the review is not a regular critic of the journal, but is a friend of MicK Jagger for long years.
The same happened when Goddess in The Doorway came out. The same guy did the same. There is not other explanation. Of course money is rolling.
ABB Its a good album, no doubt, but is far to be a 4 stars. 3 tops.
I didnt feel nothing special listening ABB. NO shivers, no excitement, no nothing...I tried to listen high - me and the record & nothing happenned as well...
"Payola Blues"
This one's for you Al Freed,
Wherever you go, whatever you do
'Cause the things they're doing today
Will make a saint out of you
Payola blues.
I've got the payola blues
Even though I already paid my dues.
Listen to me Mr. D.J.,
hear what I've got to say
If a man is making music,
they ought to let his record play.
Payola blues
No matter where I go
I never hear my record on the radio.
Well, here's three thousand,
that ought to get it on.
Well, thanks a lot man!
I love your new song.
Payola blues
No matter where I go
I never hear my record on the radio.
And it goes like this.
I got a brand new record company,
new manager too.
Got a great new record,
I can't get through to you.
Payola blues
No matter where I go
I never hear my record on the radio.
How about this new Mercedes Benz,
that ought to get it on.
Well, thanks a lot man!
I'll play it all day long.
Payola blues
No matter where I go
I never hear my record on the radio.
I've got the payola blues, payola blues
I'm paying those payola blues
No matter where I go
I never hear my record on the radio.
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