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| Monkey Woman |
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don't forget the cheese please
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| egon |
I am dutch AND i live in france,
guess that makes me a double loser.
i feel so special!
you people sure know how to talk a load of shite! |
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| glencar |
I love how Mathjiz insults our "Pressident's" (sic) way of speaking yet he can't spell the word.
I actually liked all Dutch people I met up until Mathjiz. And Chirac's a bigger asshole than Clinton.
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| glencar |
I just read that thread over in IORR. What a pit of vipers. The same Western Euros who couldn't take action in Bosnia yet begged US to "Do something, do anything!" are now accusing the USA of trying to take over the world. I got news for ya, Mathjiz: you can have it. Let's see how you do. You did great stuff in Indonesia. Belgium was so wonderful in the Congo. You creeps have a lot to answer for so maybe that is why it's easier to take petty shots at the USA on its day of mourning. You are horrible people. BTW if you punch me in the eye, you're not jsut going to get punched back in the eye. Gabeesh?
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| Gimme Shelter |
Here's a cool ad for the new DVD set:
http://by8fd.bay8.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg?curmbox=F000000001&a=d4bafd7e7724bfd1de8a08ffb48fe382&msg=MSG1065296759.41&start=1215004&len=210664&mimepart=4 |
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| Mathijs |
It's Mathijs, not Matjiz. Just shows your capacities to read and understand I guess...
Mathijs |
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| Some Guy |
What can Brown do for you? |
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| shakedhandswithkeith |
[quote]Mathijs wrote:
Doesn't this new DVD smells a bit? I don't have any hard proof or evidence, it's just my own opinion, but I sense something isn't quite right. I had this feeling ever since the first rumours, but now when I heard the title "Extreme Western Grip" it really got me. Isn't this new DVD set a complete hoax?
Yes Mathijs, and yesterday I saw you walking over the water, right?
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| glencar |
Yo, Mathijs:
I just read that thread over in IORR. What a pit of vipers. The same Western Euros who couldn't take action in Bosnia yet begged US to "Do something, do anything!" are now accusing the USA of trying to take over the world. I got news for ya, Mathjiz: you can have it. Let's see how you do. You did great stuff in Indonesia. Belgium was so wonderful in the Congo. You creeps have a lot to answer for so maybe that is why it's easier to take petty shots at the USA on its day of mourning. You are horrible people. BTW if you punch me in the eye, you're not jsut going to get punched back in the eye. Gabeesh? |
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| SirMuddy |
Sorry I've got to LET IT LOOSE!
D�sol� faut que j'me lache lousse
LuV, Peace, freedom, sacrifice & Redemption
Amour, paix, libert�, sacrifice et pardon
They shooted a cow in my lounge yesterday
Y'ont tir� une vache dans mon salon hier soir
Blood stained my curtains
Plein de rouge d'automne dans mes rideaux
Shattered my screens
D�chirant mes �crans
They say it's THA 1st not last
C'est la premi�re, pas la derni�re
We're shooting cows in my country?
On tire des vaches dans ma cour?
Fuck (Imagine, frenchs say shit
fuck (d�sol� ici on dit pas merde
I live in Qu�bec btw
j'vis au Qu�bec en passant
Trois-Rivi�res, PQ
And I don't like politics, is it so hard to live in peace
Et j'aime pas la politique, est-ce si dur de vivre en paix
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I'm with you Joey, Keith Moon hold the truth!
J't'avec toi Joey, Keith Moon d�tient la v�rit�!
You make me Laught deeply
tu m'as fait rire en christ!
Choke with my puff
Une poffe qui tousse c'est une poffe qui g�le!
And I love you people, and I'm rolling a big one for our world
Et j'vous aime et j'en roule un gros pour la plan�te
Make love not war inside yourself
Faites l'amour et pas la guerre
en dedans de toi
Love is strong
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| TheSavageYoungXyzzy |
OK... 'nuff's nuff. Mathjis raised a point about the DVD, now we're stoning him. People can have different opinions. Mind you, I disagree strongly with them, but telling people to 'fuck off' or calling them names or quoting sources inaccurately is sure a great way to get them to listen to your argument.
That being said...
I met a woman from Tanzania last night, and we got to talking foreign policy. Tanzania's one of the largest republics in the world, and Christians and Muslims both call it home. When I asked her what she thought of American policies, she told me "You have to understand, so many people are ignorant of what America does for the world. Do they make mistakes? Yes. Have they made bad decisions? Yes. But for every bad decision they make that is in the newspapers, fifteen good decisions are made. The terrorists don't understand this - they try and get the United States out of countries like Tanzania [the embassy bombing] but they don't realize all the good the people of America do in the world. They are building a medical school, they are helping the poor on the streets of Dar Es Salaam, and for that I always say 'God Bless America' because even with their many mistakes they have brought so much good into the world."
So that's all I'm gonna say on that subject. You can dislike certain policies that America comes up with, sure. I'm not fond of a few of them. But never take for granted what the US has done.
-tSYX --- Extreme Western Grip? Sounds like a masturbatory handle, Ronnie? |
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| glencar |
Good point, Young Savage. I once had a penpal in Kenya which is just north of Tanzania. It's an interesting part of the world. |
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| balk |
Just yesterday I spoke to a recordcompany rep through a friend of mine who owns a CD store and he told me the following:
It's NOT a hoax but it WON'T make the scheduled deadline, also the price is officially T.B.A.
They hope to have it in stores WORLDWIDE by early december, just in time for Christmas shopping, but that could change there's no firm date as DVD is in (early?) stages of production. Though there is NO tracklisting or something slightly close to that available yet. Everything has to be confirmed. The SUGGESTED bonustracks are nowehere confirmed. The DVD is currently in production but nowehere near a finished product. As long as there is NO catalogue number, which teher isn't, there isn't a release in 1-2 months and nobody can offer it since they cannot (pre-) order it.
So guys, let's quit this sillyness and let's just wait and see 'till something is officially confirmed! |
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| Monkey Woman |
Official confirmation? Here it is!
http://www.rollingstones.com/news/articlesdtl.php?newsID=191
BTW, it was posted here a week ago, the day it was announced at RS.com.
The whole text:
"October 02, 2003
Rolling Stones Four DVD Set "Four Flicks" To Be Released November 11th
Features Songs Never Before Released Sold Exclusively at Best Buy for $29.99
New York, NY - (October 2, 2003) - The Rolling Stones four DVD set "Four Flicks" featuring over 5 hours of music and more than 50 songs will be released November 11th by TGA Entertainment. Three DVDs will feature more than 25 classics including, "Satisfaction," "Brown Sugar," "Jumpin' Jack Flash," and "Sympathy for the Devil," as well as many songs never released live before including "Love Train," "Rock me Baby," "Nearness of You," "Monkey Man," "Worried About You," and "Hand of Fate." The fourth DVD presents two exclusive behind the scenes documentaries, "Tip of the Tongue" and "Licks Around the World." "Four Flicks" will be sold exclusively at Best Buy for $29.99 and is expected to be a key generator of excitement and sales for Best Buy through the holidays. The four DVD set can be pre-ordered starting today through Best Buy's website (www.BestBuy.com).
"Four Flicks" will present the magic and excitement of having a front row seat for the spectacular sold-out and critically acclaimed Rolling Stones "Licks" World Tour 2002/2003. It showcases the band's diversity as musicians and performers by documenting three dramatically different shows from the intimacy of the historic Olympia Theatre in Paris to the excitement of New York's legendary Madison Square Garden to the gigantic spectacle of London's Twickenham Stadium.
"This DVD includes not only the classics but songs that we have never before recorded including 'I Can't Turn You Loose,' and 'Love Train' along with songs that have never been recorded live such as 'Monkey Man' and 'Rocks off,'" said the Rolling Stones.
"Tip of the Tongue," is a never before seen documentary chronicling the conception and preparations for the innovative 3 show/3 venue concept from the recording studio in Paris to Toronto where the band prepares for their "Licks" World Tour. "Licks Around the World" offers fans the opportunity to travel on the road with the Rolling Stones, from the tour's beginnings in the United States, through Japan, India, Europe and the United Kingdom, with bootleg tracks "Beast of Burden," "Bitch," "You Don't Have To Mean It," and many other hidden features.
The "Four Flicks" collection features the latest in DVD technology offering cutting edge interaction, special viewing features and inside commentary. Bonus features include "Backstage Pass," which allows the viewer to cut back and forth from the performance on stage to what is going on at the same time backstage. "Select-A-Stone" allows the viewer to select his/her own isolated camera shot of their favorite Rolling Stone. "Band Commentary" lets the viewer drop in on the band talking about writing and recording the song currently playing. Audio options include a totally immersive Dolby 5.1 surround sound audio experience.
"Fans will get to experience the best band on their best tour," said Michael Cohl, tour director. "The Rolling Stones and TGA Entertainment have worked with Best Buy to present the ultimate Rolling Stones live DVD for the ultimate price."
"We're extremely excited to work with the Rolling Stones and TGA to offer our customers this exclusive concert four DVD set," said Gary Arnold, senior vice president of entertainment for Best Buy. "Best Buy is committed to finding ways to bring people closer to the music they love and this is part of an ongoing effort to bring fans unique entertainment. This four DVD set uses never-before-seen concert material and behind the scenes footage to provide fans with a unique look at the greatest band of all time."
The "Four Flicks" DVD is produced by TGA Entertainment, a multi-faceted entertainment company and worldwide tour promoters for the Rolling Stones "Licks" World Tour. The Paris/New York/London concerts were all produced and directed by Marty Callner and produced by Randy Gladstein. Audio mixes were done by Ed Cherney. The New York Madison Square Garden concert was featured on HBO and has earned four Emmy nominations.
Minneapolis-based Best Buy Co., Inc. is North America's leading specialty retailer of consumer electronics, personal computers, entertainment software and appliances. The Company's subsidiaries operate retail stores and/or Web sites under the names: Best Buy (BestBuy.com), Future Shop (FutureShop.ca), Geek Squad (GeekSquad.com) and Magnolia Hi-Fi (MagnoliaHiFi.com). The Company's subsidiaries reach consumers through nearly 700 retail stores in the United States and Canada." |
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| Monkey Woman |
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Mind you, I disagree strongly with them, but telling people to 'fuck off' or calling them names or quoting sources inaccurately is sure a great way to get them to listen to your argument.
tSYX, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
And what you say, about a lot of people don't realizing what good the USA or American citizens and organizations do or have done in the world, is very true. For instance, it's unfair to point out only military adventures and forget the aid (in health, education and economy) in the development of Third World or Eastern European countries.
I'm afraid this has a lot to do with the strength, wealth and importance of the USA in today's world economy and global policies. Obviously, a lot of people have more sympathy for the Davids of this world than for Goliaths.
Regardless of the fact that sometimes the necessary action needs force. For instance wiht Bosnia or Kosovo, the USA gave the UN the military force and political drive needed to stop these bloody conflicts. (Sadly, the countries of Western Europe couldn't do the same, the main reason being that "European Union" is basically a marquee for 15 different & independant coutries, not a really united confederation. The politicians here can agree on economic cooperation, up to a point, but coordinated political action is still out of the question. Maybe in 100 years...)
Even if it has little to do with the way the citizens of a country actually live and think, outside opinion will equate them and their country with the government policies or the ways of the bigger companies. So, you will have the crude anti-american caricatures: USA = G.W.Bush + war industry + McDonald + Coca Cola... 
Regardless, of course, of the diversity of people's opinions and behaviour. And it's easier to become intolerant and violent towards a caricature or scarecrow than real human beings.
And then, of course, human nature being what it is, it's often the less knowledgeable or respectful people who talk the louder, and therefore gather more attention. That doesn't help building better relationships with other countries.
On a lighter note
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Extreme Western Grip? Sounds like a masturbatory handle, Ronnie?
Maybe that's what the song's about? hee hee! |
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| glencar |
Monkey Woman, I'd probably have no problem with those who said that the USA was too big for its britches at times. My country has made mistakes & will continue to make them into the future. Just like many other countries. However, when one has a burning US flag on one's website & then says that the USA "deserved" it, then that's over the line. Frankly, it's impossible for me to not say "Fuck off!" at that time. But this is certainly a dead horse & I'm willing to let it drop. If Mathis does return, perhaps he'll finally answer my question to him taht's been posed twice. |
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| Doxa |
Glencar, why you KEEP ON charging Mathijs for a crime that he hasn't committed? I've seen that famous burning flag you are talking about and it wasn't in his site.
It is not fair. You can kill him for his political opinions but with that particular charge you are haunting the wrong person.
Frankly, I think you should apologize him.
Doxa
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| glencar |
Doxa, it was but then he took it off when things became too hot. I'll await your apology. |
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| Monkey Woman |
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Monkey Woman, I'd probably have no problem with those who said that the USA was too big for its britches at times. My country has made mistakes & will continue to make them into the future. Just like many other countries.
Yes, it seems to me that our positions are not very far.  Note that I was discussing where the anti-American perceptions are coming from, *not* endorsing them, of course. I find the mindless and hateful anti-American stances as dangerous as branding all French traitors, all Germans Nazis or saying that all Holland has to offer is whores.
As for Mathijs, I'll say only this: I've seen burning American flags and harsh condemnations of all that is American that originate from American themselves. I strongly think it's their right as citizens to criticize their country. Even then, I agree that dismissing the 9/11 tragedy without sympathy is disturbing to the extreme.
But, and I feel it's an important point, someone who's not living in the country they criticize or condemn should be more careful, as what they say is much more likely to cause offense.
I like boards like RO precisely because it's a place where very different people from all over the world can get together to talk, have fun and share a common passion. I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but I'll always prefer what unites to what divides.
Sorry for the philosophy The Stones say it better in Sweethearts Together:
"Everybody needs someone to tell their troubles to
To share the pain and laughter in a world beset with fools" |
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| Child of the Moon |
Wow, what the fuck? Funny how the Stones often seem to bring out "the worst" in us. Let's try talking about the band, not who did what to who and when.
"Hey, lemme see that Extreme Western Grip of yours, Ronnie!" |
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| Doxa |
Glencar, I do apologise if you are right, but I still think you aren't.
Doxa |
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| glencar |
No problem, Doxa. I'm right but it's past us, okay? |
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| Doxa |
Sure Glencar, no problem.
Doxa
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