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| texile |
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Gazza wrote:
Superb read. Thanks.
I didnt know Parsons hung with the Stones during the '72 tour. The impression I got (from what I'd read or heard before) was that after he 'left' Nellcote duing the Exile sessions, he never met the band again.
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he hung out with keith and anita...
and many people in gram's circle worried about him.
booth calls chris hillman's preoccupation with gram's dalliance with keith 'bullshit' - but emmylou harris also considered the stones a bad influence..
and riffy, i get why the book has resonance..
i loved the book - but as a definitive epic, i prefer a little objectivity in a writer.
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| PartyDoll MEG |
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texile wrote:
he hung out with keith and anita...
and many people in gram's circle worried about him.
booth calls chris hillman's preoccupation with gram's dalliance with keith 'bullshit' - but emmylou harris also considered the stones a bad influence..
and riffy, i get why the book has resonance..
i loved the book - but as a definitive epic, i prefer a little objectivity in a writer.
Well, Wyman probably wrote the most factual/objective book..if you can get past reading about how many girls Billy Boy shagged every fricken nite. I couldn't and found the minutiae he spouted somewhat boring. STP definitely is a well written book, but lets face it when we read about our band, we want some of the "dirt." |
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| BILL PERKS |
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Riffhard wrote:
I don't know if I quite agree with you here texile. I mean sure it is rather obvious that Booth was squarely in the "Keith Camp", however, remember that even Keith made that now famous comment that Mick was,"a great bunch of fellows". So it is very obvious that Mick is not the easiest guy to get a read on. He has never let anyone get too close. Even Keith! So Stanley just naturally drifted towards the guy that was more open and accessible.
What Booth states in this interview about Gram being cooler that anyone in the room has been stated by many others as well. This is why Keith and Gram seemed like brothers! They were/are also both voracious in their musical and drug appetites. Booth even points out that Mick had no reason to be insecure because he was Mick fucking Jagger!, but that just puts Jagger's insecurity into clear perspective. I mean this was 40 years ago afterall so the insecurity must have lessened in the decades since Gram's star burned out.
At the end of the day I have to say that True Adventures is not only the single greatest Stones' book that I have ever read, but it the single greatest book on the 60's,the rock and roll culture, and the whole era of when the Stones truly were the most dangerous band in the world. He is just a great damned writer.
Riffy
RIFFY,YOU RIGHT WING SON OF A BITCH..FANTASTIC POST...I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.NOW...........
VOTE OBAMA!!!!!! |
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| texile |
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PartyDoll MEG wrote:
Well, Wyman probably wrote the most factual/objective book..if you can get past reading about how many girls Billy Boy shagged every fricken nite. I couldn't and found the minutiae he spouted somewhat boring. STP definitely is a well written book, but lets face it when we read about our band, we want some of the "dirt."
bill's book was endless...it was like reading one of those early 20th century books about the south african beetle....
yes, i love the dirt...
and the sanchez book is still the most fun to read on that account...
i don't think we'll ever get THE book about the stones...
too many parties, stories, dead witnesses etc...
it's just too big.
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| Riffhard |
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texile wrote:
he hung out with keith and anita...
and many people in gram's circle worried about him.
booth calls chris hillman's preoccupation with gram's dalliance with keith 'bullshit' - but emmylou harris also considered the stones a bad influence..
and riffy, i get why the book has resonance..
i loved the book - but as a definitive epic, i prefer a little objectivity in a writer.
I would reckon that this is a different strokes scenerio texile. I mean the exact reason that I love the book so much is the reason that you feel it lacks objectivity. You may have a point, but this is why I feel that it gets to the nub of the band during their most dangerous period. I like Greenfield's book too, but I just didn't find it as an exhilarating read. True Adventures just drips with the drugged out antics of the Stones as well Booth himself.
STP certainly does have some fascinating facts and behind the scenes antics. But it is obvious that Greenfield wrote it from the perspective of a fan that got lucky enough to hang inside the circus for awhile, but got no closer than he was permitted to get. Booth, on the other hand, was a genuine friend of the band and he gets things from an angle that Robert Greenfeild could never get close enough to understand. Plus Booth's just a much better writer of prose than Greenfield is IMO.
In the end it's just that. A matter of opinion. I too like STP very much.
As for Booth's take on Chris Hillman. I think Booth was certainly aware that hanging with the Stones was a dangerous crapshoot, for everyone save Keith perhaps! He even mentions that in this interview. I mean at that time it was a very dangerous habit to even be in the same room with them. Just ask Robert Frasier. I do kind of get the impression that there was no love lost between Hillman and Booth though. However, even Pamela Des Barres says that Hillman was kind of a tight ass when it came to Gram and Keith's friendship. She makes the point that both Jagger and Hillman were somewhat jealous of seeing their respective partners being co-opted by another "lover". That makes sense to me.
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| andrews27 |
"aesthetic controversies and political arguments"
A new motto for "The Charlie Watts Message Board"? |
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| guitarman53 |
You people got me so interested in True Adventures that I went & ordered the book, I heard before about Stanley Booths great writing about the '69 tour, & from what you shared, I should be in for a great read. |
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| Gazza |
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Riffhard wrote:
That would be exactly the way I would like to meet him. If he still lives in Waycross, Ga. I could see him being listed in the phone book. Waycross has nothing to offer but heat, mosquitoes, Stanley Booth, and a huge swamp.
I have yet to read Booth's book on Keith. Have you ever read it Gazza? If so, how is it?
Riffy
Its good, but I prefer Bockris' one (which came out just before it, even though he's a bit too unabashed in his utter love for his subject). I think my expectations for Booth's bio were a bit high, having read the 'True Adventures' book. Not essential but a decent read from what I recall (its been a few years since i read it) |
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| texile |
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Riffhard wrote:
I would reckon that this is a different strokes scenerio texile. I mean the exact reason that I love the book so much is the reason that you feel it lacks objectivity. You may have a point, but this is why I feel that it gets to the nub of the band during their most dangerous period. I like Greenfield's book too, but I just didn't find it as an exhilarating read. True Adventures just drips with the drugged out antics of the Stones as well Booth himself.
STP certainly does have some fascinating facts and behind the scenes antics. But it is obvious that Greenfield wrote it from the perspective of a fan that got lucky enough to hang inside the circus for awhile, but got no closer than he was permitted to get. Booth, on the other hand, was a genuine friend of the band and he gets things from an angle that Robert Greenfeild could never get close enough to understand. Plus Booth's just a much better writer of prose than Greenfield is IMO.
In the end it's just that. A matter of opinion. I too like STP very much.
As for Booth's take on Chris Hillman. I think Booth was certainly aware that hanging with the Stones was a dangerous crapshoot, for everyone save Keith perhaps! He even mentions that in this interview. I mean at that time it was a very dangerous habit to even be in the same room with them. Just ask Robert Frasier. I do kind of get the impression that there was no love lost between Hillman and Booth though. However, even Pamela Des Barres says that Hillman was kind of a tight ass when it came to Gram and Keith's friendship. She makes the point that both Jagger and Hillman were somewhat jealous of seeing their respective partners being co-opted by another "lover". That makes sense to me.
Riffy
booth was KIETH'S friend..
but it's a matter of preference and small differences,
because true adventures was like a bible to me during a difficult time in my high school years...
it was engrossing and took me back to that time...
both books (Booth and Greenfield) are the best in stonesdom.
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