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| mcclellan28 |
Anyone know how Keith got turned on to open tunings for guitar? He's written so many great songs using an Open G tuning. Songs like "Brown Sugar," "Start Me Up," and "Sad, Sad, Sad." |
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| HardKnoxDurtySox |
Not to burst your bubble but Keith had next to nothing to do with writing two of those songs you mention. |
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| Jumacfly |
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HardKnoxDurtySox wrote:
Not to burst your bubble but Keith had next to nothing to do with writing two of those songs you mention.
ROTFLMAO!!
try again  |
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| speedfreakjive |
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mcclellan28 wrote:
Anyone know how Keith got turned on to open tunings for guitar? He's written so many great songs using an Open G tuning. Songs like "Brown Sugar," "Start Me Up," and "Sad, Sad, Sad."
yes,
he was sick of the standard tunings and its limitations.
After the 66' tour is when he started experimenting with an open E tuning.
By 68' he'd fully got into it and songs on Beggars Banquet like Stray Cat Blues, Street Fighting Man and No Expectations are all recorded in open E. So is JJ Flash.
Then he realised that using the slide guitar tuning Open G as an open tuning made playing ryhthm guitar easier, and had a distinctive sound. The first Stones song using this tuning was Honky Tonk Women.
A lot of Let It Bleed is in open G; Monkey Man, Love In Vain, but not Gimme Shelter, which is in Open E. |
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| Jumacfly |
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speedfreakjive wrote:
yes,
he was sick of the standard tunings and its limitations.
After the 66' tour is when he started experimenting with an open E tuning.
By 68' he'd fully got into it and songs on Beggars Banquet like Stray Cat Blues, Street Fighting Man and No Expectations are all recorded in open E. So is JJ Flash.
Then he realised that using the slide guitar tuning Open G as an open tuning made playing ryhthm guitar easier, and had a distinctive sound. The first Stones song using this tuning was Honky Tonk Women.
A lot of Let It Bleed is in open G; Monkey Man, Love In Vain, but not Gimme Shelter, which is in Open E.
very instructive post mate.
anyone knows the origin of open g? |
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| Throwaway |
Keith said banjo players back in the day used to tune to open G and remove the bottom string (exactly like Keiths 5 String Open G). Comtemporaries Taj Mahal and Ry Cooder were the ones who kind of led Keith to play in Open G. |
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| speedfreakjive |
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Jumacfly wrote:
very instructive post mate.
anyone knows the origin of open g?
Robert Johnson used it in the 30's&40's, it may be a cowboy tuning. |
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| Jumacfly |
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Throwaway wrote:
Keith said banjo players back in the day used to tune to open G and remove the bottom string (exactly like Keiths 5 String Open G). Comtemporaries Taj Mahal and Ry Cooder were the ones who kind of led Keith to play in Open G.
thanks! |
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| albert |
Can someone help me with the tuning of open G + how does Keith play in open G like chords, using a capo (Midnight Rambler) etc. etc.?
Are there tabs for this on the internet to be found?
any help very much appreciated!
gr,
Albert
Holland |
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| speedfreakjive |
quote:
albert wrote:
Can someone help me with the tuning of open G + how does Keith play in open G like chords, using a capo (Midnight Rambler) etc. etc.?
Are there tabs for this on the internet to be found?
any help very much appreciated!
gr,
Albert
Holland
its all the same.
tune the 2nd(A) string down to G, and high E down to D, and bingo!
the capo just changes where the open strings are, if you know what I mean.
Its easier to play Ramnler in a standard tuning IMO |
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| Break The Spell |
Its almost like night and day when you listen to his tone befoe he started using open tunings in the later 60's. |
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| Mel Belli |
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speedfreakjive wrote:
A lot of Let It Bleed is in open G; Monkey Man, Love In Vain, but not Gimme Shelter, which is in Open E.
"Monkey Man" and "Love in Vain" are both in standard... Come to think of it, there's not one song in open-G on "Let it Bleed." |
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| speedfreakjive |
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Mel Belli wrote:
"Monkey Man" and "Love in Vain" are both in standard... Come to think of it, there's not one song in open-G on "Let it Bleed."
correct on Monkey Man, but Love In Vain is played live in open G, |
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| Throwaway |
Following songs are in Open G: Brown Sugar, Sway (MJ), Cant You Hear Me Knocking, Moonlight Mile (MJ/MT), Honky Tonk Woman, Some Girls, Before they Make Me Run, Love Is Strong, I Go Wild (MJ), Start Me Up, Little T&A, Black Limo, Tops, Crazy Mama, Undercover of the Night, Wanna Hold You, Too tough, It Must Be Hell, Low Down, Sad Sad Sad (MJ), Rock And A HArd Place, Fight, Jiving Sister Fanny, Rocks Off, Rip This Joint, Tumbling Dice, Happy, All Down the Line, Soul Survivor. This is just the rhythm guitar, its rare for a lead to be played in open tuning (HTW) unless its on a slide (Rough Justice). |
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| voodoopug |
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Throwaway wrote:
Following songs are in Open G: Brown Sugar, Sway (MJ), Cant You Hear Me Knocking, Moonlight Mile (MJ/MT), Honky Tonk Woman, Some Girls, Before they Make Me Run, Love Is Strong, I Go Wild (MJ), Start Me Up, Little T&A, Black Limo, Tops, Crazy Mama, Undercover of the Night, Wanna Hold You, Too tough, It Must Be Hell, Low Down, Sad Sad Sad (MJ), Rock And A HArd Place, Fight, Jiving Sister Fanny, Rocks Off, Rip This Joint, Tumbling Dice, Happy, All Down the Line, Soul Survivor. This is just the rhythm guitar, its rare for a lead to be played in open tuning (HTW) unless its on a slide (Rough Justice).
Rocks Off and Rip This joint are not played in open tuning. |
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| speedfreakjive |
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voodoopug wrote:
Rocks Off and Rip This joint are not played in open tuning.
yes they are.
Hand Of Fate is pretty much the archetypical open G riff |
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| JuanTCB |
Rocks Off is most definitely in standard tuning.
If it was open, why wouldn't he play it that way live? |
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| Mel Belli |
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JuanTCB wrote:
Rocks Off is most definitely in standard tuning.
If it was open, why wouldn't he play it that way live?
Correct.
Also, Keith doesn't play "Love in Vain" live in open-G. I think Taylor's slide is tuned that way, however... |
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| Child of the Moon |
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Mel Belli wrote:
Correct.
Also, Keith doesn't play "Love in Vain" live in open-G. I think Taylor's slide is tuned that way, however...
Believe it or not, even Mick Taylor played the slide on that one in standard tuning. Taylor was one of the few guitarists around that time who played slide guitar almost exclusively in standard tuning. Duane Allman was another.
I've seen and heard many of the songs mentioned here as being played in both standard and open tunings. I could go through the list and tell you how I play 'em, but may way might not necessarily be Keith's way... they just sound right when I play them 
One thing, though... when I tried playing Midnight Rambler in open tuining, it sounded terrible. When I switched to standard and put a capo on the seventh fret, it sounded perfect. |
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| scratched |
Mick T's slide for Love In Vain was in standard tuning when played live except when he played it at Hyde Park. |
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| z |
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Jumacfly wrote:
anyone knows the origin of open g?
Open G was also called Spanish Tuning, after a piece from the 19th century - "Spanish Fandango", that was played in open G. |
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| Throwaway |
Mick T and Duane Allman...some damn good slide players!!! Ronnie likes Open E for slide I believe, as did Brian (see No Expectations), but they also used open G (see Brian's nice slide on Little Red Rooster). Rocks Off is played in Open G but WITH the bottom string on, you hear it on the intro: do do do do, DO DO DO DO (last 4 notes). Mick T plays stardard, and adds interesting notes, on the A/D strings as opposed to his usual higher string playing. Anyway back to the main thread, Keith plays many of his solo songs in Open G, like Wicked As It Seems, and Struggle (technically open G minor). The best Stone's Open G riff? I say Brown Sugar. |
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| keefjunkie |
"The best Stone's Open G riff? I say Brown Sugar."
Word.
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| Ramrod |
I can replicate "Rocks off" in standard tuning, both main guitar parts plus the the 3rd part. Keith's rhythm parts for "Monkey Man" are standard, "Rambler" is standard capoed at the 7th fret. The slide parts sound like open E.
"Love in Vain" on Ya Ya's is in standard for Keith and open G for Taylor. Taylor sounds like he is using the 1960 Gibson Les Paul (the one with the Bigsby vibrola attached) which Keith used to own and sold to Taylor in '68. They seemed to share this guitar once Taylor joined the Stones.
I say this because Keith uses this same guitar for the open G part he plays on "Honky Tonk Women" on Ya Ya's and Taylor then used it for "Love in Vain" to play the slide on. On my copy of Ya Ya's, during the solo break at 2'31" there is a slide lick, which cannot be played in regular tuning. It is played with the slide crossing the 1st and 2nd strings at the 15th fret. Taylor plays a similar lick at 3'55" using the slide to descend down to the 12th fret. Can't be done quite that way in regular. Taylor used the same Les Paul at the Hyde Park concert for "I'm yours she's mine" in open G, both in the trailer rehearsing and also on stage.
"Silver Train" has Taylor doing the slide in open G, so does "All down the Line" and "Soul Survivor" and "Ventilator Blues". "Stop Breaking Down" Taylor slides in open A, which is the same as open G but tuned a tone higher. |
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| vox12string |
Surely Keith would have heard of open tunings (& slide guitar)from Brian. I Wanna be Your Man, Can't Be Satisfied & Little Red Rooster feature Brian on slide/open tunings.
I've seen one reference that Brian was the only musician in England at the time who was playing slide.
Keith would have to have come across 'Nashville' tuning from his association with Gram Parsons. |
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| Throwaway |
The one song that I really dont know about is Wild Horses...yes it seems playable in standard, but I've heard from some places the studio version is in open G. Leave it to Keith to make me wonder stuff like this. |
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| HardKnoxDurtySox |
quote:
speedfreakjive wrote:
yes,
he was sick of the standard tunings and its limitations.
After the 66' tour is when he started experimenting with an open E tuning.
By 68' he'd fully got into it and songs on Beggars Banquet like Stray Cat Blues, Street Fighting Man and No Expectations are all recorded in open E. So is JJ Flash.
Then he realised that using the slide guitar tuning Open G as an open tuning made playing ryhthm guitar easier, and had a distinctive sound. The first Stones song using this tuning was Honky Tonk Women.
A lot of Let It Bleed is in open G; Monkey Man, Love In Vain, but not Gimme Shelter, which is in Open E.
It has already been mentioned but I'm pretty sure that Monkey Man is in standard (capo on 2 if memory serves). Brians slide part for No Expectations is in E but Keith plays in standard on this one as well. As far as Gimme Shelter Goes, I've never heard of it being played in E. I'm pretty sure Keith has exclusively played it in standard but I prefer playing it in G. As is the case with quite a few Stones riffs, there is more than one way of playing them. |
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| HardKnoxDurtySox |
quote:
Throwaway wrote:
The one song that I really dont know about is Wild Horses...yes it seems playable in standard, but I've heard from some places the studio version is in open G. Leave it to Keith to make me wonder stuff like this.
I have an "official" tab book that claims that Keith's accoustic is tuned to "Nashville Tuning" while Taylor's is a 12-string tuned to open g. Then of course, I believe both Keith and Taylor have said in interviews that no 12 strings were used in the recording. So, who the fuck knows. |
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| Mathijs |
>>
he was sick of the standard tunings and its limitations.
After the 66' tour is when he started experimenting with an open E tuning.
By 68' he'd fully got into it and songs on Beggars Banquet like Stray Cat Blues, Street Fighting Man and No Expectations are all recorded in open E. So is JJ Flash.
Then he realised that using the slide guitar tuning Open G as an open tuning made playing ryhthm guitar easier, and had a distinctive sound. The first Stones song using this tuning was Honky Tonk Women.
A lot of Let It Bleed is in open G; Monkey Man, Love In Vain, but not Gimme Shelter, which is in Open E.
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Stray Cat: open D
SFM: open G and standard
No Expectations: Brian open E, Keith standard
JJF: open E and standard tuning
Monkey Man: standard (no capo)
Love in Vain: standard with capo on third fret. The melobar slide by Keith is in open E. Keith has never played it live in open G.
Gimme Shelter: open D
Rip this Joint: open G until 1994, then standard tuning
Rocks Off: all standard
First Stones song with open G: Bill Wyman's Downtown Suzie, with Ry Cooder on acoustic guitar, then SFM, then Honky Tonk Women.
Mathijs
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| speedfreakjive |
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SFM: open G and standard[unquote]
you are totally wrong here my friend. |
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