| December 31st, 2005 10:13 AM |
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| corgi37 |
Oh, yeah, the Pistols were awewsome. Not contrived in any way. Not made up by a dodgy t-shirt seller at all. And, of course, 1 whole album is such an amazing output.
Ramones? Come on. If thats punk, i'll eat my hat. How can any American white boy ever hope to be remotely punk? Even if they are pasty, goofy & half blind.
Its all a novelty. Same as new wave, grunge, and "cool Brittania". |
| December 31st, 2005 10:44 AM |
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| stonesmachine |
Loved, and still do Physical Graffiti.
I feel very safe in saying that there have been some very low points in the history of both Zeppelin and the Stones performance-wise.
As far as Zep being "just a studio band" Ive got lots of bootlegs that prove otherwise.
Gimmicks? I think we all know which band has employed more gimmicks in a live show through the years.
In the studio they are all guilty of gimmicks and sweetening.
They are both great bands, the likes of which we'll probably never experience again and life would have been terribley dull without BOTH of them |
| December 31st, 2005 02:15 PM |
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| highwire |
The Pistols were a lot of hype of course thanks to Malcolm McLaren. Johnny Rotten's famous last words as he signed off his last stage show. "Ever feel like you've been had?" Most thought he was talking about the audience but he was talking about his band.
I think Pistols were doomed from the start. They would have had to evolve musically to continue which I don't think they were capable of at the time. Plus they kicked out one bass player and the other was a wreck. Probably just as well. They made a big noise and then went away.
But the one album they made is a must have. Rotten roars those songs like he means it and he does. Steve Jones can play. Matlock and Cook seem competent and of course Sid never had a chance.
I really liked the 96 Reunion tour they did. Good tight show. Rotten hadn't lost his attitude but fully admitted the punk edge was long gone. "We're fat forty and famous so fuck off".
Jones put out a good album in 96 called Neurotic Outsiders with Duff and Matt from G&R and John Taylor from Duran Duran. Duff plays rythm to Steve's lead and they share vocals. Taylor plays bass. |
| December 31st, 2005 02:19 PM |
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| purrcafe |
quote:
corgi37 wrote:
Ramones? Come on. If thats punk, i'll eat my hat. How can any American white boy ever hope to be remotely punk? Even if they are pasty, goofy & half blind.
Its all a novelty. Same as new wave, grunge, and "cool Brittania".
Interesting point of view, considering that without the Ramones there never would have been a Sex Pistols. |
| December 31st, 2005 05:03 PM |
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| lotsajizz |
yes, there would....the Pistols owe a hell lot more to the Dolls than they do to the Ramones
btw, Rotten's last words 'ever had the feeling you've been cheated?....hah,hah!'
not 'had'
OK now
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| December 31st, 2005 05:39 PM |
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| purrcafe |
quote:
lotsajizz wrote:
yes, there would....the Pistols owe a hell lot more to the Dolls than they do to the Ramones
Yes, the Pistols owed a huge debt to the Dolls, but nothing happened until the Ramones played the Roundhouse in, I believe, 1976. Also, the influence of Richard Hell shouldn't be underestimated. He virtually invented the late 1970s punk persona. |
| December 31st, 2005 06:52 PM |
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| lotsajizz |
Hell WAS way cool |
| December 31st, 2005 07:07 PM |
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| pdog |
Can was a big influence on Johnny Rotten too.
People get caught up in the "I'm more punk rock than you" zone to often when discussing the explosion of bands in the mid to late 70's...
Eddie Cochran was the biggest influence on everyone in rock and roll ever, especially the idiots who didn't know who he was, b/c he was and will always be everything rock and roll was about.
And... Zeppelin Zucks!!! |
| December 31st, 2005 07:57 PM |
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| highwire |
quote:
btw, Rotten's last words 'ever had the feeling you've been cheated?....hah,hah!'
not 'had'
Thanks.I was paraprhasing. The hah hah was a nice touch.
Didn't the whole safety pin thing come from London? I've heard the poor kids wore safety pins to keep their clothes together and it caught on as a punk fashion statement.
About Cochran. The punks and even Zep and Who before them covered Eddie (Summertime Blues) I don't think the Stones did though, although I'm not sure. Stones covered a lot of stuff in the early days.
Floyd and Zep might have caused the whole punk scene and even the Who with their big stadium shows and theme albums.
Floyd especially were the anti punks. Did the punks thumb their noses at Stones as well? Mick wore the Johnnny Rotten swastika shirt at the Some Girls show I saw in Buffalo. What was he doing? Why was he wearing that shirt? Anyone know? |
| January 1st, 2006 06:22 AM |
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| corgi37 |
The Saints were around at thee beginning too, and no band from NYC influenced them.
I actually watched that doco on the Ramones about a month ago, and it was very interesting. Amusing as all hell too. I do appreciate their influence on American punk, no doubt. But America's idea of punk aint really the same as (say) the English version. Or French. Or Australian for that matter. I might be being a bit fanciful and naive, and i dont mean to get into a pissing match by dissing some ones band that they like, but i totally 100% feel that the U.S. just didnt get punk. I think some very minor clique did, and perhaps the Ramones were in that circle, but for the most part, punk was owned by the Poms. America was still deeply infatuated with the West Coast sound and disco. And, of course, long fluffy hair and satin shirts opened to the waist was still a big deal. I always felt it simply was a matter of fashion, or of being a "rebel", if some rather wealthy, stable, middle classed Yank, with perfect teeth, a station wagon with wood pannelling and living in sunny San Diego, or maybe, Colorado, or even Florida, "got into" punk. I mean, in England, it was all about class. About urban decay. Poverty. Of a whole generation literally having no future. Of mine closures. Of opportunity lost, or even non-existant. Of infrastructure not working. Of the poor getting poorer.
Hard to be a punk when the sun always shines and Disneyland is around the corner, or a new super mall is opening up.
Do i sound like an idiot? hahaha - yeah, proberly. lol.
Hey, dont fret. We Aussies were fakes too. Mostly, punk here was disgruntled uni students, doing bullshit "arts" degrees, paid for by Mummy and Daddy, thinking they were talented. I was ripe for it all. I was 17 & pretty rebellious. But i saw through the whole sham. The whole fraud.
As for Led Zep - I simply had to play Led Zep 2 the other day. Havent played it in ages. Very good album.
Peace my international friends. May all your imperfections fade away, and may every beer you drink be icy cold and never ending. |
| January 1st, 2006 09:49 AM |
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| StickyFishFingers |
Hey Corgi I agree with a lot of stuff you said there about America's version of punk not being the same as "the English version". It seems to me that the UK punks in the 70's came from a different background to the US punks - for the most part (excluding the Ramones). But having said that however I think the US can claim to be the originators of 'punk'. This is based on what i have read in a book called 'Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk' - I totally recommend it. I've been told that Andrew Loog Oldham's 'Stoned' is written in a similar style to 'Please kill me' but i wouldnt know because i haven't read Oldham's book yet. If you come across a copy of Please Kill Me - I totally recommend it because it will give you a good insight into the history of the punk movement - which according to its co-writers Legs McNeill (who along with some other blokes in the 70's in the US started a magazine called 'Punk' before the term started being used to describe the 70's punk movement in the UK )& Gillian McCain, was spawned by the Velvet Underground & then later by the MC5. Somebody mentioned Richard Hell earlier on. I recall reading in 'Please kill me', something about McLaren modelling John Lydon's image on that of Richard Hell's image. Don't know how true this is coz i know very little about Richard Hell & Television.
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| January 1st, 2006 12:35 PM |
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| MRD8 |
I saw an amazing show in Orlando last night at Hard Rock Live...there's a guy named Craig Martin who has started a thing called Classic Albums Live...he assembles a band to play classic albums in the order the songs appeared on the album, note for note perfect! The album we saw last night was Physical Graffitti...the guy that did Plant was amazing, he held the note in Kasmir for like 30 seconds...they had as many as five guitarists for some songs to recreate all of Page's overdubs...it was incredibly good! Some of the others comming to HRL in the comming months are:
Led Zep 1
Who's Next
Breakfast In America
Ziggy Stardust
In Through The Out Door |
| January 5th, 2006 01:37 PM |
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| Honky Tonk Man |
Great idea for a thread! 
My least favourite Led Zeppelin album is Presence. It's just one I could never get into. I also agree with Gazza about In Through The Out Door. Yeah, there are a couple of duff songs, but I think Page is at his sloppiest best.
My favourite Led Zeppelin albums are probably their first two. In my opinion, things still don't get much better than Dazed And Confused.
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| January 5th, 2006 01:44 PM |
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| RollingstonesUSA |
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All of them.
All of them have Plant's insufferable wailing, long masturbatory guitar solos, and stolen uncredited riffs/lyrics. If not, then they have lots of insufferable Lord of the Rings lyrics.
Don't act like it's inconceivable to dislike Zeppelin.
There are plenty of people who don't even remotely like any Stones albums either, and that's not the end of the world.
Agreed! |
| January 5th, 2006 07:36 PM |
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| purrcafe |
quote:
Honky Tonk Man wrote:
My favourite Led Zeppelin albums are probably their first two. In my opinion, things still don't get much better than Dazed And Confused.
I recall an argument that I had in high school about the live Dazed and Confused from The Song Remains the Same Soundtrack. The person I was conversing with was of the opinion that nothing could be better than a half an hour of Page's playing. I don't think that he was happy when I told him that I thought that nothing could be worse!
I was always a fan of songs rather than long jams. But yeah, Zeppelin certainly had their epic moments. |
| January 6th, 2006 04:17 AM |
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| Honky Tonk Man |
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I was always a fan of songs rather than long jams. But yeah, Zeppelin certainly had their epic moments.
Me too. This was always a stumbling block for me and my love for Led Zeppelin. I was initially put off buy the length of some of their numbers, but I son came around and realised how good they were. However, too this day, there are many live Zep tunes I just can't listen too because of the length. I end falling asleep half way through! |
| January 6th, 2006 07:51 AM |
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| gustavobala |
1º physical graffiti
2º IV
3º houses of the holy
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| January 7th, 2006 01:54 AM |
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| corgi37 |
I was the same with the length of alot of their songs. Particularly live stuff. Man, it just never ends.
But, then again, i cant get enough of Neil Young's 15 minute songs. "Change your mind" being one i adore.
I'm sort of glad the Stones done do long stuff much. Imagine RFD going for 10 minutes! |
| January 7th, 2006 07:23 AM |
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| stonesmachine |
"All of them have Plant's insufferable wailing, long masturbatory guitar solos"
huh? |
| January 7th, 2006 08:55 AM |
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| The Wick |
They bore me to death. Can't stand them and have to turn the radio off when their stuff is on all the fucking time. Individually, I think they are interesting musicians, but as a band, a fucking abortion. I know most people here enjoy them, but I'm not one to hold back. Worst of all is Plant's voice, just a horror show. Sounds like a shrieking 3 year old crying when she/he doesn't get what she/he wants. |
| January 7th, 2006 02:48 PM |
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| PolkSalad |
quote:
MRD8 wrote:
I saw an amazing show in Orlando last night at Hard Rock Live...there's a guy named Craig Martin who has started a thing called Classic Albums Live...he assembles a band to play classic albums in the order the songs appeared on the album, note for note perfect! The album we saw last night was Physical Graffitti...the guy that did Plant was amazing, he held the note in Kasmir for like 30 seconds...they had as many as five guitarists for some songs to recreate all of Page's overdubs...it was incredibly good! Some of the others comming to HRL in the comming months are:
Led Zep 1
Who's Next
Breakfast In America
Ziggy Stardust
In Through The Out Door
Ooooh, Breakfast in America, wow, why would anyone want to hear dat? Sounds truly hideous, but then again, it is Hard Rockin Orlando. |
| January 8th, 2006 06:27 AM |
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| corgi37 |
classic! hhahaha. Never been to Orlando, but your sarcasm is awesome. Gave me a good chuckle. Thanks!
Hard rocking Orlando - lol. |
| January 9th, 2006 07:19 AM |
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| Avalon |
i love led zep
my fav.album is houses of the holy!
I love Plant his voice its beautiful!!!!!
Fav songs are:
D'yer maker
Bron Yr aur
Going to california
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| January 9th, 2006 10:45 PM |
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| keefjunkie |
quote:
Avalon wrote:
i love led zep
my fav.album is houses of the holy!
I love Plant his voice its beautiful!!!!!
Fav songs are:
D'yer maker
Bron Yr aur
Going to california
[Edited by Avalon]
pussy |
| January 10th, 2006 06:43 AM |
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| corgi37 |
Pussy! hahaha, that cracks me up too!
Going to California, indeed. |
