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| TT |
I saw them once: in 1993 they played Hannover�s Stadium. Warm up: Soundgarden and Faith no more (their singer threw the mic up in the stage roof (it wasn�t wireless) and security tried for 15 minutes to get it down again).
GnR: well, that was the day I decided to say: they are shit: Slash might play a trillion notes in a minute but that doesn�t appeal to me (I realised it then). All the background crap (Dizzy etc) didn�t fit. Duff was OK. Gilby was good. They played Wild Horses. Axl was a prick. He was in a bad mood from the beginning. Threw away the wireless mic several times (it was "Throw away that mic"-day.) But the worst thing was: he sang Paradise City, eh, Sitty (he SAT DOWN during this ENCORE, head on his hands, ellbows on his knees).
Good night Axl, sleep tight.
I love Izzy, so when he left it was over, actually. His first solo album is one of the best albums. |
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| Mr T |
pricks or not, GNR was a great band - I wish people would stop confusing Axl's being a dick with musical talent |
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| Maxlugar |
Exactly, Mr T.
We all know Axl is a dick.
So? |
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| winter |
Since I think we all agree that the current incarnation is not Guns and Roses, I propose Axl change the name to "The Asshole and his New Friends."
And Buckethead, W-T-F is that? Is this rock-n-roll or the WWF?
Without Izzy, and Slash, I don't have very high expectations for Chinese Democracy.
Happy F$%^in' Saturday from the Office,
Winter |
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| Martini |
It doesn't seem as though many people in the NW give a flip about 'ol Axl, judging from the small crowd:
Guns N' Roses scorches small crowd
By GENE STOUT
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER POP MUSIC CRITIC
Axl Rose has been calling his Guns N' Roses comeback the Chinese Democracy Tour. But it was beginning to look more and more like "The China Syndrome" this week.
MUSIC review
GUNS N' ROSES
WHEN: Last night
WHERE: Tacoma Dome
When the temperamental Rose failed to show up for the opening concert of the North American trek Thursday night in Vancouver, B.C., it appeared the tour was headed for a meltdown. Fans rioted outside GM Place when the show was abruptly canceled before show time. Rose's excuse that he had missed his flight to Vancouver seemed lame.
Canadian fans expected a lot more of the singer-guitarist, whose original band was an arena-rock powerhouse before grunge changed the rules of rock 'n' roll in the early '90s. Anticipation for the latest tour, the first worldwide trek since 1993, was fueled by a successful trek through Asia last summer and an all-new lineup featuring players from Nine Inch Nails, the Replacements and Primus.
A sinking feeling that the tour was in trouble was only reinforced by the poor turnout last night at the Tacoma Dome, where concertgoers barely filled half the arena.
TV reporters waiting to talk to fans stood on empty sidewalks outside the Dome. An outdoor radio tent that normally mobbed with fans before a show like this had only a dozen visitors when doors opened at about 6:45 p.m. A small queue of concertgoers stood in a light drizzle, waiting to get inside.
The subdued atmosphere inside the Dome didn't bode well for a night of arena rock. But turnabouts are possible, and often dramatic. And fans can be very forgiving. Rose would get a big chance to redeem himself in Tacoma.
The concert began at 7:30 p.m. with opening act CKY, a Pennsylvania "nu-metal" band loud enough to put another crack in the Liberty Bell. The rock band played the new single, "Flesh Into Gear," from its new album, and spewed more expletives than a cussing contest at a biker bar. Give this band time to grow.
Mixmaster Mike was far more entertaining with his wacky videos, giant wind sculptures and classy looking turntable platform A veteran of the Beastie Boys and the Skratch Picklz turntablist crew, the DJ fused monster bass sounds with jazz, ambient music, hip-hop, electronic music and modern-rock and B-movie samples. It was very cool watching his fingers fly on the turntables; two large video screens captured the action in blurry closeup shots.
The crowd grew in size as Guns N' Roses set approached, but it was 9:45 p.m. when Rose and his crew finally took the stage. Concertgoers responded by cheering and hoisting their cigarette lighters in the air. After five minutes of darkness, the show finally flickered to life with five video screens, giant light panels, Chinese characters and several massive explosions. The multi-level stage provided Rose with plenty of ramps to scramble up and down.
Rose, wearing baggy pants, a football jersey and trademark bandana, tore into "Welcome to the Jungle," a GN'R classic and guaranteed crowd-pleaser, and the howling "It's So Easy." A volley of scorching pyrotechnics kicked off a powerful version of Paul McCartney's James Bond classic "Live and Let Die."
The show quickly brought memories of high-decibel '80s arena-rock extravaganzas featuring howling guitars, thundering drums and screeching vocals. A lot has changed in rock 'n' roll since Guns N' Roses was founded in the '80s -- and a lot has remained the same.
Rose, who looked a little heftier than he did in his heyday, slowed things down for "Knockin' On Heaven's Door," the band's high-powered version of the Dylan classic. The crowd came unglued, howling approval, waving arms and firing up lighters. A thundering version of "Sweet Child O' Mine" tuned the show into an old-school hard-rock celebration.
Rose's new band did a terrific job of recreating the classic GN'R sound. Guitars were handled by Richard Fortus, Robin Finck (of Nine Inch Nails) and Buckethead (a quirky, talented guitar slinger who wore a KFC bucket as a hat). Bassist Tommy Stinson (of the Replacements), keyboardists Dizzy Reed and Chris Pitman, and drummer Brian Mantia (of Primus) filled out the lineup. And Rose's voice sounded pretty good after all those years of neglect.
The lengthy show featured many of the group's favorite songs, among them "Mr. Brownstone," "Nightrain," "My Michelle," "Madagascar," "Rocket Queen" and the seasonally appropriate "November Rain," which Rose performed at the piano.
Concertgoers often sang along lustily to songs they hadn't heard live in years. The big show came to a big finish shortly before midnight with "Paradise City."
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| justforyou |
Speaking of Buckethead, check this mellow tune out, its called Hills of Eternity from his Colma album.
http://www.angelfire.com/droid/kfc/hoe.mp3
I know this has nothing to do with the stones, but anyway... |
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| Nasty Habits |
I saw Guns and Roses open for Aerosmith in 1989 and was impressed with how efficiently both bands avoided sucking. Axl threw a fit about police harassment which was a foreshadowing of St. Louis unpleasantness to come. Six months later Guns and Roses were the biggest thing in the world and were headlining a new outdoor "theater" in a St. Louis suburb. You may remember that they incited a riot.
G'n'R were great band for about a record and a half. Once Izzy left it was over for me -- he really underpinned what might have been hair metal with a truly sleazy New York Dolls rock kind of a thing that grounded them in grease. I cannot stand those Use Your Illusion records, though.
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| gypsymofo60 |
quote:
Mr T wrote:
pricks or not, GNR was a great band - I wish people would stop confusing Axl's being a dick with musical talent
Well I can only speak for myself, but I'm not confusing Axl's cerebral problems with lack of musical ability. The Gunners were one of the greatest bands ever, even use your illusion was great, and Axl IMO had one of the most unusual, appealing voices on the planet, but even rock stars can carry the teenage angst on for a little too long. There is no excuse for having no respect for your fans. His fans made him what he is, or was. Without them Axl would've been just another angry young man in & out of therapy, or prison, rather than being in & out of form. |
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| F505 |
overrated horse shit, sixth rate stones, lot of noise and a suckin pig as a singer |
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| lotsajizz |
G n' R was one of the best in their heyday...and if people would quit bitchin' long enough to check out their later shows, they'd see that they still rock!!! |
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| Fiji Joe |
Without a doubt, Appetite for Destruction is one of the best Rock n' roll albums ever made |
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| Happy Motherfucker!! |
Set through two our of Axl's nassal howling, no thanks! |
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| Maxlugar |
I thought at the time that Use Your Illusion I and II were some of the most exciting collections to have come out in a long, long time. It was incredibly ambitious. I put II on over the summer one night and have not changed my opinion one bit. It sucks that they could not capitalize on such talent for much longer. I'm gonna but on I soon and refresh my memory of that one too. Appetite For Destruction is one of those albums that was no bad songs on it. A classic in my opinion. They really paid tribute to their influences too, which I love. I remember Duff saying on TV how they were just babies still with only three original studio albums and how excited he was for the future. I could help but be excited by that. Alas, it was not to be. Waste!
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| Mathijs |
Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 are the best rock albums of the 80's and 90's, bar none. After getting sick of all the big hair poodle rock of the 80's, Guns delved book into the 70's hard rock song book with Izyy being a Keith Richards devotee, and Slash a Led Zeppelin and Mick Taylor fan. Then take a pissed-off and angry as hell Axl, and you have the most raw and energizing album since the Pistol's Never Mind the Bollock's and the Stones' Exile on Main Street. Both albums need some time to get to know, as there's about 29 songs all together, but the albums keep amazing me for ten years now.
Mathijs
ps If you want to know Axl a bit better, and understand where he's coming from, read the lyrics of Coma of UYI 1 and Locomotive of UYI 2. And if you want to learn how to play guitar, try Slash's work on these two songs... |
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| Maxlugar |
Locomotive is un-friggin'-believable guitar work.
I'm pretty sure Jeff Beck blew his ear drums out guesting on that one in England during warm ups. I remember seeing the video footage of him shaking his head in pain. The last minute or so of that song is surreal.
Coma is down right creepy. Not for everyone though...
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| KeepRigid |
Slash, Izzy, Duff, and even good ol' Matt Sorum are all together again and planning a new album for next year. They still haven't decided on a singer, though.
From the sound of this Tacoma show, Axl's going to be GnR on paper. |
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| ~AzQb |
quote:
Maxlugar wrote:
I thought at the time that Use Your Illusion I and II were some of the most exciting collections to have come out in a long, long time. It was incredibly ambitious. I put II on over the summer one night and have not changed my opinion one bit. It sucks that they could not capitalize on such talent for much longer. I'm gonna but on I soon and refresh my memory of that one too. Appetite For Destruction is one of those albums that was no bad songs on it. A classic in my opinion. They really paid tribute to their influences too, which I love. I remember Duff saying on TV how they were just babies still with only three original studio albums and how excited he was for the future. I could help but be excited by that. Alas, it was not to be. Waste!
Maxy (Mr. Brownstone)
YupperPupper!!!!
The Guns n Crowses {to quote SirMoonie!} had ~zQ soooooooooooo hopeful after the Clash.
sob! alas...it was just not to be, Maxy.
Can you tell me Why, Maxy?
Why O Why Maxy? why do these bands flicker and flame out like a lightning bug in a jar with no holes?
Maxy, Why.
~!
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| sirmoonie |
Man, I remember the first time I heard Sweet Child back in the days when heavy metal garbage was as prevalent as rap garbage is today. But that tune, even with all its heavy metal dressing, just made you sit up and say "Hell yeah, I can banshee romp to this....." I then took a second look at Welcome to the Jungle which I had previously dimissed, and knew something special was going on.
Bought Appetite, little bit later bought Lies and rocked the next couple of years away with them waiting for the Illusions - was not disappointed, 14 Years, Dust and Bones, Dead Horse (best tune on them?), Yesterdays, Breakdown, Double Talkin' Jive - all incredible stuff. Too much incredible stuff maybe. It was their attempt at Exile, Quadro, London Calling, just a little too soon because I think it fried them out when they were "just babies."
Great vids those guys had too. Remember Paradise City at that festival? Axl stomping around the stage, Slash over there doing the sheepdog in a top hat bit. That was fun.
Saw them in 92(?) in Vegas. Excellent show, especially Slash. No theatrics, he just stood and played some really bluesey hard rock.
The "Where's Izzy?" sign on Don't Cry vid said it all though. Gone before we ever really got to know them. Tis a shame.
Nice thread! |
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| Maxlugar |
If Keepridgid is right that is great news. I would consider that band G 'N' R more than Axl's. Where did you hear that?
I guess you can lay the blame on Axl, AZBQ'y. The man is a tortured soul. Made for some great theatre and interesting lyrics. I still have a feeling he'll off himself someday ala Cobain.
Moonie, you are right there bro! I never saw them as hair metal and they weren't grundge. They were the magical bridge between the two that gave us a glimpse of Rock and Roll the way it was in its glory years.
Maybe you are right about them making Illusion I and II too early. Perhaps a few more years of struggle before that one came out and they would have been more humble with their success. It made them arrogant. But I'm glad we have those albums.
Double Talkin' Jive with it's Spanish guitar ending is tay-stay!
Shotgun blues....
Estranged with its incredible Taylor-esq solo's....
Have I sent either of you the accoustic bootleg I have of them? I know I gave one to Factorygirl. Let me know. It's awesome.
Mmmmmmmmmmm Maxy like!
Think I'll work out to that shit tonight.
F-Yup! |
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| sirmoonie |
No Maxy, I don't have! I'll e-mail you forthwith cuz I'm one of your jizzlings on the NYC-Roseland tree. Need Jeff Beck starter kit too.
Then I'll like show you my stuff and you can show me more of your stuff. Okay? |
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| Maxlugar |
Oh yeah the Amazing Jeff Beck Starter Kits #1 and #2!
People the world over are loving that one!
Poor little Joey had only just gotten his #2 when he croaked. At least I sent him off playing air guitar!
Yeah I'll make you those two my Jizzling!
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| KeepRigid |
quote:
Maxlugar wrote:
Where did you hear that?
Slash has been talking about it to the press. Here's an article online about it:
http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,389304~4~0~fourex-guns--n,00.html
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