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| sirmoonie |
Got there first Nankie!
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A Christian education makes teenage boys less permissive, according to research out today.
Boys at private Anglican and Catholic schools are more likely to oppose sex before marriage and be less tolerant of pornography.
Professor Francis questioned boys aged between 13 and 15 at a number of non-denominational comprehensives and independent Christian secondary schools.
He found that 62 per cent of those educated at Christian private schools claimed to believe that pornography was too widely available. Only four in 10 boys at other schools agreed. While only 13 per cent of boys at nondenominational schools were against sex outside marriage, the proportion jumped to 64 per cent among their Christian-educated peers.
Three quarters of Christian pupils said it was wrong to have sex before the legal age of consent at 16, compared with 29 per cent of other teenagers.
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| nankerphelge |
Yeah but:
Case Could Freeze Sperm Donation
Wednesday, May 25, 2005
By Wendy McElroy
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court (search) is currently considering a legal appeal that could set a wide-reaching precedent for both child support policy and fertility clinics in the United States.
As one report states, "sperm donors who thought they were getting $50 for their genetic material" a standard clinic fee and nothing more may be in for a real shock.
The case involves sperm donor Joel L. McKiernan (search) and his former lover Ivonne V. Ferguson (search). Ten years ago, they entered a verbal contract that a three-judge panel of the Superior Court said was valid "on its face." In exchange for McKiernan donating sperm that led to the birth of twins through in vitro fertilization, Ferguson released him from any obligation toward the offspring.
(IVF involves fertilizing a woman's eggs with sperm in a lab dish and then placing the fertilized eggs back in the aspiring mother's uterus.)
Ferguson denies that an agreement to release McKiernan from responsibility ever existed. Nevertheless, she named her ex-husband as "father" on the birth certificate. Five years after the twins' birth, she filed against McKiernan for child support.
The tangled personal circumstances of this situation constitute a legal nightmare and the sort of "hard" case that makes bad law. And bad law is exactly what may result.
Both the trial court and the Superior Court called Ferguson's actions "despicable" and expressed sympathy toward McKiernan. Yet both found him liable to pay over $1,500 a month in child support plus arrearages to the now-divorced Ferguson. (McKiernan has married, moved, and now has two other children he is raising.)
Why was McKiernan considered liable? The original contract was deemed unenforceable due to "legal, equitable and moral principles." The main abrogating principle: Biological parents cannot waive the interests of a child a third party who has an independent "right" to support from each one of them.
It does not matter that a third party did not exist when the contract was forged and probably would have never existed without the contract. Nor does it matter that the law generally presumes a husband to be the father of any child born during the marriage. The donation of sperm alone makes McKiernan financially liable for the twins until they reach adulthood.
Or it will, if he loses the Supreme Court appeal, which weighs the extent of a sperm donor's liability. Presumably, the ruling would equally impact women who donate eggs for another's fertility treatment.
Pennsylvania, like most states, has not adopted a version of the Uniform Parentage Act, which protects sperm or egg donors from the responsibilities of parenthood. Many if not most donors merely presume that anonymity provides such protection.
In the case of Ferguson v. McKiernan, the identity of the sperm donor was always known. But the principle sustained by the courts could apply with equal force to anonymous donors.
Ferguson's attorney argued that her case did not threaten sperm banks or fertility clinics because such facilities had not been involved. McKiernan's attorney noted that the contract in question was virtually identical to the ones they offer: namely, anonymity or non-involvement in exchange for a donation. If a mother or father cannot waive the "right" of a potential child to support, then it is not clear how a fertility clinic could do so in its capacity as a broker for profit between the two "parents."
The danger this precedent would pose was expressed by Arthur Caplan, a professor and medical ethicist at the University of Pennsylvania. Caplan explained that anyone who donates genetic material on the basis of anonymity "ought to understand that their identity could be made known to any child that's produced and they could be seen by the courts as the best place to go to make sure the child has adequate financial support." The prospect becomes more likely if one parent is requesting support from a government agency.
Sperm banks are legally required to maintain a record of each donor's identity, often indefinitely.
Pennsylvania Supreme Court Judge Ronald D. Castille was more blunt than Caplan in his assessment of the risk that donations would cease. "What man in their right mind would agree to that [sperm donation] if we decide this case in your favor? Nobody." What woman in her right mind would donate eggs?
Estimates on infertility in the United States vary but the rate is often placed at about 15 percent, even without including gay and lesbian couples. That is, 15 percent of couples fail to conceive after one year of regular, unprotected intercourse. If miscarriages are factored in, the rate increases.
According to Dr. Cappy Rothman of the California Cryobank, an estimated 150,000 to 200,000 artificial inseminations occur every year in the U.S. And that is only one form of infertility treatment. Though these procedures are usually performed using the sperm and eggs of the couple hoping to conceive, the use of donated sperm and eggs is a common solution to infertility.
If the Pennsylvania Supreme Court finds the sperm donor to be liable for child support, then many forms of infertility treatment in most states could become less available and more expensive. Those donors who step forward will want to be compensated for their increased legal risk.
The courts have pitted a child's "best interests" against the rights of biological parents to contract with each other on the terms of reproduction. They may have also opened a Pandora's box of complications involving a child's claim on a sperm donor's data and wealth.
But the worst consequence may be the denial of life itself to children who are desperately wanted by infertile couples. The law should not obstruct their chances of conceiving.
Wendy McElroy is the editor of ifeminists.com and a research fellow for The Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif. She is the author and editor of many books and articles, including the new book, "Liberty for Women: Freedom and Feminism in the 21st Century"
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| voodoopug |
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sirmoonie wrote:
Got there first Nankie!
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A Christian education makes teenage boys less permissive, according to research out today.
Boys at private Anglican and Catholic schools are more likely to oppose sex before marriage and be less tolerant of pornography.
Professor Francis questioned boys aged between 13 and 15 at a number of non-denominational comprehensives and independent Christian secondary schools.
He found that 62 per cent of those educated at Christian private schools claimed to believe that pornography was too widely available. Only four in 10 boys at other schools agreed. While only 13 per cent of boys at nondenominational schools were against sex outside marriage, the proportion jumped to 64 per cent among their Christian-educated peers.
Three quarters of Christian pupils said it was wrong to have sex before the legal age of consent at 16, compared with 29 per cent of other teenagers.
in light of the new direction, sadly, this should be posted on teh Lotus or in the Lounge. Sirmoonie, will always remain on my "drink with" list! |
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| sirmoonie |
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voodoopug wrote:
in light of the new direction, sadly, this should be posted on teh Lotus or in the Lounge. Sirmoonie, will always remain on my "drink with" list!
What? What is going on, Pugsatronic? Should I delete this? Am I banned? What is the Lounge? Were we supposed to be drinking today? Help me, help help me! Help me, so I can help you. |
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| MrPleasant |
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A Christian education makes teenage boys less permissive, according to research out today.
No shit! Just wait 'til they live in reality. |
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| voodoopug |
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sirmoonie wrote:
What? What is going on, Pugsatronic? Should I delete this? Am I banned? What is the Lounge? Were we supposed to be drinking today? Help me, help help me! Help me, so I can help you.
to answer your questions:
1. I am told that with the new tour, we will be asked to allow the board to become a place of Stones news and discussions (see Doug's board for an example).
2. I would not delete it, as you offered no malice intent, but we must work together with the other regulars to help with the smooth transition. The board had become too "chat" orientated, some may argue that the board was moving in a better direction with the departure of my friend (Mr. Flank Pain).
3. Although, i have offered to help police the board, i have not been given any authority to ban, but seeing as you are on my "drink with" list, you are plenty safe.
4. The lounge is a board that Josh was banned from. They continued to attack him after was not allowed to retort, i have not visited since, nor have i been invited (aside from the very kind Mr. Raining Blimps)
5. When in doubt, dont ask, assume we should be drinking, but not Tequilla
I have pulled the strings long enough, i fear we have scared away many quality posters (and some shitty ones too, so we shall take the good with the bad). Safely assume that those on my drink list are considered quality posters.
Let us tackle the challenge of the new direction as a team and work together...we cannot do it without you Sir Moonie! |
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| Joey |
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No shit! Just wait 'til they live in reality.
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| LadyJane |
RO has always been and will continue to be the ASYLUM.
Sure...new Tour and album bring about more Stonesian news...but take away ALL the lunacy??? No way.
I don't believe for a second that is what the Trinity have in mind.
We lose "Howe can this happen?" threads...we lose our charm.
LJ.
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Joey wrote:
We could be heroes, just for one day!!! |
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| voodoopug |
quote:
LadyJane wrote:
RO has always been and will continue to be the ASYLUM.
Sure...new Tour and album bring about more Stonesian news...but take away ALL the lunacy??? No way.
I don't believe for a second that is what the Trinity have in mind.
We lose "Howe can this happen?" threads...we lose our charm.
LJ.
perhaps to clear all of this up, we need Gazza, Jaxx, and Voodoo to release a "Mission Statement" I have long enjoyed Rocks Off, and with the new tour, it is time to keep our eye on the ball! |
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| Joey |
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We could be heroes, just for one day!!!
Amen My Stones Brother :
Jersey ! |
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| sirmoonie |
Quit posting pictures of that skanky celebro-twit! |
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| voodoopug |
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Quit posting pictures of that skanky celebro-twit!
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| Joey |
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voodoopug wrote:
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Outstanding Post !!!!
Top Notch !
Your reward :
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| voodoopug |
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Joey wrote:
Outstanding Post !!!!
Top Notch !
Your reward :
enjoy it now Joey, i appreciate your sentiments...but we must focus on the tour at hand! |
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STAMFORD, Conn. May 25, 2005 A former Stamford police officer has been sentenced to 20 days in jail for lewd conduct involving a toy banana. Arthur Bertana, 63, was ordered to serve a 4 1/2 year prison term suspended after 20 days and one year of probation.
Bertana, who had been on probation for lewd conduct in Stamford more than four years ago, was arrested in March after police said he placed a toy banana in his pants and flashed people on a main Greenwich Ave.
Police said he would place a shopping bag in front of his pants, exposing a bulge to women in a sexually offensive manner.
"It was a yellow, plush, child's toy banana," Sgt. Roger Petrone Jr. said at the time of Bertana's arrest. "It had a smiley face on it."
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A Christian education makes teenage boys less permissive, according to research out today.
Incredible!  Who would have thunk? |
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| egon |
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sirmoonie wrote:
Quit posting pictures of that skanky celebro-twit!
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| egon |
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sirmoonie wrote:
A Christian education makes teenage boys less permissive,
and this is supposed to be a good or bad thing....? |
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| voodoopug |
quote:
kath wrote:
STAMFORD, Conn. May 25, 2005 A former Stamford police officer has been sentenced to 20 days in jail for lewd conduct involving a toy banana. Arthur Bertana, 63, was ordered to serve a 4 1/2 year prison term suspended after 20 days and one year of probation.
Bertana, who had been on probation for lewd conduct in Stamford more than four years ago, was arrested in March after police said he placed a toy banana in his pants and flashed people on a main Greenwich Ave.
Police said he would place a shopping bag in front of his pants, exposing a bulge to women in a sexually offensive manner.
"It was a yellow, plush, child's toy banana," Sgt. Roger Petrone Jr. said at the time of Bertana's arrest. "It had a smiley face on it."
where have you been???? Unacceptable. Kath, FYI, we are awaiting a mission statement from the Unholy Trinity with the goal of changing this from a chatroom to a stones news center. This will keep people, such as the guy you hate, from hanging around the board just to fill it with worthless banter. Please ask SirMoonie if you have any questions as he as already been breifed. I have thrown my name in the hat to help police the board, i appreciate everyones co-operation. |
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where have you been???? Unacceptable. Kath, FYI, we are awaiting a mission statement from the Unholy Trinity with the goal of changing this from a chatroom to a stones news center. ... I have thrown my name in the hat to help police the board, i appreciate everyones co-operation.
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| Joey |
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Amen !
I carry the Flag :  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| voodoopug |
I have tears in my eyes.....i humbly accept to be your fearless leader!
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| Joey |
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voodoopug wrote:
I have tears in my eyes.....i humbly accept to be your fearless leader!
Done !
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J.  !!!!!!
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| kath |
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ath, FYI, we are awaiting a mission statement from the Unholy Trinity with the goal of changing this from a chatroom to a stones news center.
lemme know when this stops being a fun place...... |
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| mac_daddy |
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The two Brits suffered severe burns when their homemade sabers exploded. The two had been videotaping their clash. They have been hospitalized at Hemel Hempstead in Hertfordshire since the accident Sunday.
it's true.
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this might be of some interest to the howe contingent, as well...
Blame it on 'Who Shot J.R?'
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| mac_daddy |
the horror...
from drudge:
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Sneddon asked judge this AM for permission to put into evidence the photos of Michael Jackson's splotchy penis/private parts that were taken in '94... Judge turned him down flat... MORE... Sneddon also wanted to introduce into evidence the drawing that boy Jordy Chandler drew of Jackson's penis -- so that it could be compared to the photos that were later taken by police of Jacko... Developing...
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| voodoopug |
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kath wrote:
lemme know when this stops being a fun place......
Kath, do not despair. Rocks Off will always be a fun place, you need to have faith in the direction that is absolutely necessary! I am hoping this is the final "howe" topic! |
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