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| morocco |
Hi, looking at any Stones tab book, you will see that even their most famous songs use very simple chord progressions, the kind of progressions that many less famous musicians would sneer at and mock as too basic.
My question is why do the Stones get so much mileage out of such simple chord progressions? |
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| Saint Sway |
CUZ THEIR THE FUCKIN BALLS!!!! |
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| pdog |
Rock and roll is primal and sexual...
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| fireontheplatter |
who cares
don't ask
just enjoy
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| Riffhard |
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morocco wrote:
Hi, looking at any Stones tab book, you will see that even their most famous songs use very simple chord progressions, the kind of progressions that many less famous musicians would sneer at and mock as too basic.
My question is why do the Stones get so much mileage out of such simple chord progressions?
There's an old saying that goes-"Sometimes less is more." In the case of rock and roll that quote is an absolute. The Stones may use simple chord progressions,but they wrote them! These less famous musicians you talk about may well be able to play every chord known to man,and do stupid fucking pyrotechnic finger runs up and down the fretboard but they can't fucking write a riff that is as emotional as the sheer "Fuck you!" of Can't You Hear Me Knocking!! That riff(among hundreds of Keef/Stones' riffs) absolutly crushes anyfuckingthing that these fucktard fretboard masturbators could concieve of in three lifetimes.
Riffy |
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| morocco |
God damn great post, riffhard! |
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| Riffhard |
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morocco wrote:
God damn great post, riffhard!
Thank you my friend. That is an argument that I have gotten into with fans of Joe Satriani,Yenvwi Whateverthellhisnameis,and Steve Vai. They always argue about the technical talent that those players posses. I always slam that ridiculous argument by saying that rock and roll has much more to do with emotion and very little to do with technical ability. I mean the most famous rock and roll riff ever was also the most simple. Namely The Bo Diddley beat. That riff is sublime in it's simplicity,yet it manages to convey so much of the rock and roll spirit. The Stones too have learned that lesson well.
Riffy |
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| Throwaway |
Riffy really said all there is to say, but in my own words I would say..name the most famous melodies or songs ever. Not just in RnR, but anywhere. Happy Birthday. The fucking Ice Cream Man jingle. Not groundbreaking stuff. But it stays with you. How do bluesmen get so much mileage out of their genre? It's about feel. 12 bars has unlimited potential, jus like the Stones' music. |
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| pdog |
Let's face it, rock and roll and fucking are so much alike... The best fucking, like rock and roll, is about the passion and instinct, not some technical knowledge! |
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| Zambero |
They use simple chord progressions to avoid sounding like Yes or King Crimson. |
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| IanBillen |
Because it works:
The reason the Stones music is so good is because of it's straight ahead simplistic arrangement, even making someone who likes complex styles appreciate it for what it is. Yet they do it all with such great sound and enthusiasm you can't knock it.
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| Stargroves |
Because we like it, yes we do |
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| gimmekeef |
What they all said............. |
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| Bitch |
Nice post Riffy! It's true, the KISS rule:
Keep
It
Simple
Stuipid!
I love the way the RS get right to the core of rock and roll, straight to it, no fancy fluff. |
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| glencar |
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Zambero wrote:
They use simple chord progressions to avoid sounding like Yes or King Crimson.
Thank God! |
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| tookthatname |
Many of the simple chords are in the unusual voicings of them, which would not be in your tab book. A different tuning on the guitar, or the same chord played with different fingering may seem like a subtle change, but it makes a huge difference in the sound.
Also if you need more information on why they would use simpler chords and structures, Brian wrote a letter to the editor back around 1962 on the differences between trad jazz and R&B.
It's all about emotion
[Edited by tookthatname] |
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| Steel Wheels |
It's so simple, yet no one else can pull it off. |
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| Philip |
No, the stones music is deceptively simple.
The stones themselves are not virtuoso's, but the people they employ were/are.
People like Nicky Hopkins could and did play many types of music. Nicky had great technical ability on the piano. Does this negate the emtion of the music because he is technically advanced?
Simplistic music does not necessarily mean it is more emotional.
[Edited by Philip] |
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| Barney Fife |
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morocco wrote:
Hi, looking at any Stones tab book, you will see that even their most famous songs use very simple chord progressions, the kind of progressions that many less famous musicians would sneer at and mock as too basic.
My question is why do the Stones get so much mileage out of such simple chord progressions?
Ya dig?
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| TampabayStone |
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morocco wrote:
Hi, looking at any Stones tab book, you will see that even their most famous songs use very simple chord progressions, the kind of progressions that many less famous musicians would sneer at and mock as too basic.
My question is why do the Stones get so much mileage out of such simple chord progressions?
It's not FUCKIN' Rocket Science! |
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| yellerstang |
Now you know why progressive music (think Yes, Genesis, etc...) sounds so lifeless!!
Bands who like to write complex music often give the "feeling/emotional" part of the song the shaft.
There are a few rare exceptions....ie Jeff Beck. |
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| TampabayStone |
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yellerstang wrote:
Now you know why progressive music (think Yes, Genesis, etc...) sounds so lifeless!!
Bands who like to write complex music often give the "feeling/emotional" part of the song the shaft.
There are a few rare exceptions....ie Jeff Beck.
Nicely stated!
Uh...Stangy... |
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| gotdablouse |
Well put riffy, I don't like some of "in your face" posts but this one hits home ;-)
As tookthatname put it, what made these chord progressions unique is the open tuning they started using in 1968 (thanks to Ry Cooder if memory serves). When I started playing the guitar with a chord book, I couldn't figure out how "Start Me Up" was being played, C, F, G...hum doesn't sound like it ! Enter G open tuning, and yes you're Keith...or almost.
On the other hand, when you listen to some of their live stuff, try Hide Park 1969 or even the latest tour (1989 -> 2002 was of a higher standard I'd say), you can't stop to think some better playing wouldn't hurt. I won't even mention Ron, but clearly Keith is past his prime and can't really carry the band anymore. Case in point "She Was Hot", great to hear it, but man is it sloppy and worse than that, missing a groove, the kind of groove Keith used to play in his sleep. It doesn't help that Bill is gone of course, replaced by a proficient but soulless pro. |
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| Philip |
Yeah the feel of the band has definitely changed for the worse since Bill left!
Brain used open tunings from the start.
Ry kick started Keith's open G experiments, but he had already been using open E/D for more than a year before Ry came on the scene.
[Edited by Philip] |
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| gotdablouse |
Thanks for straightening this out, yes JJF was probably written before Ry got involved and that was Open E, or maybe straight tuning ? Did Brian use open G ?
That open G is really where we got all these riffs from, including a few by Mick, like Highwire or IGWild. |
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| FotiniD |
My favorite Greek band, Pix Lax, were always accused of using mostly only three chords in their songs and one of the singers' answer was: "The best goals in soccer take only three passes of the ball".
True enough. |
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| Philip |
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gotdablouse wrote:
Thanks for straightening this out, yes JJF was probably written before Ry got involved and that was Open E, or maybe straight tuning ? Did Brian use open G ?
That open G is really where we got all these riffs from, including a few by Mick, like Highwire or IGWild.
Much of the 1968 and early 1969 stuff uses open D/E.
Yeah Brian used open G for slide on Little Red Rooster and I Can't Be Satisfied.
Over at 'iorr tell me' forum Mathijs made a good point though, it was Keith who really realised open G's potential for rhythm guitar, before him it was mainly used for slide. |
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| gotdablouse |
Yes that Open G produced "magic" !
Compare 3 Open G chords to 3 straight cords and you've got the difference between Rock (Stones) and Punk (Ramones, Sex Pistols), etc...and er well some of Mick's stuff on Some Girls too, like "Lies", I guess... |
