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| morocco |
I'm getting a lot of new Stones albums. I just picked up Black And Blue and Goat's Head Soup yesterday. That is why I'm asking so many questions here. I want to learn everything I can about the acquisitions.
I feel that each Stones album is drenched in history and subtext and learning all I can will enrich the listening experience.
Is there a site that has archives of professional criticisms of Stones' albums? Thanks for your help.
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| glencar |
I don't know of one. I did get a glance at a friend's collected NME reviews of all the 70s/80s stuff. Pretty interesting stuff to read & it's possible NME.co might have reviews available. |
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| Navin |
Why not look for a good book on the Stones that includes in-depth discography...there was one with a review of all the singles and albums think it was titled, Its only Rock n Roll. |
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| luridchief |
Go to the following:
http://www.allmusic.com/
Many of their Stones' reviews are dead on. |
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| palacerevolution |
What, WHAT is a professional review? Get a review from most anyone here. I suppose being a lifelong Stones fanatic qualifies us as "professionals". Why should a review from the writer of 'Rolling Stone' be better than a review from a literate guy who posts on Rox Off? try to get as much factual info about the albums and then form your own review.
On all these sites you just going to hear more from us. we'ff be wrapped in a fancy border with a couple more asteriks and smiley faces. There are some excellent books for the facts, background, trivia, history of each song and album.
There is a book called "Exile" by John Perry dedicated to that album. There are several books with the stories. Look for David Dalton, Roy Carr, Felix Aeppli, Steve Appleford. I would suggest the Appleford book called "Rip This Joint". It details every song written by the Stones. Also every album. Excellent. The Aeppli books are straight facts. It's far more accurate than IORR by Karnbach. Dalton's books are not up to date but very interseting. You can also get books with ALL the reviews by Rolling Stone Magazine collected. They are the reviews that came out at the time of release of the albums. very interseting in that they portary the times. |
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| Mr. D |
Why go to a professional review, when the truest stones fan around can give you a better one. Remeber, "Exhile" wasnt critically acclaimed when it came out. "Goats Head" got it even worse. Trust me, listen to the guys here, they know what theyre doing. Goats Head and Black n Blue is a nice start(cant go wrong with Hand of Fate....or Mr. D for that matter). Next, go on to IORR, aftermath, out of our heads, some girls, tatoo you, and NOW! Those are some other great albums. |
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| SHINE A LIGHT |
that's right, WE the true fans are the only "professionals". try the following books:
martin elliott's "rolling stones,1962-2002"
Bill wymams' "rolling with the stones".
martin is another true fan and bill was a true stone!!! |
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| morocco |
quote:
palacerevolution wrote:
What, WHAT is a professional review? Get a review from most anyone here.
Please notice that I did not ask for just one professional review. I asked for "archives of professional reviews."
In addition, I do feel that the professional journalists for the better rock magazines are generally better and more interesting writers. That's why they get hired and paid to voice their criticisms. |
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| Mr. D |
Yes, but if you want a perspective on Stones music and Stones music only, the best ways to attain this are from the mouths(or in this case words) of the purest, truest Stones fans around. Myself, and others im sure started buying Stones albums based on what other fans, not critics had to say. Yet, you continue to ignore us. First, you asked us what the 3 best albums were besides the 'Big 4", then you ask what the critics have to say. What's the point of asking us our opinions if youre only going to listen to a critic anyways?? |
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| SHINE A LIGHT |
way to go mr. d
WE are the answers........what else can a poor fan do????? |
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| Mr. D |
Thanks SHINE A LIGHT, sometimes these things are just neccesary.....gheesh.....happy holidays |
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| morocco |
quote:
Mr. D wrote:
Yet, you continue to ignore us. First, you asked us what the 3 best albums were besides the 'Big 4", then you ask what the critics have to say. What's the point of asking us our opinions if youre only going to listen to a critic anyways??
I don't ignore anyone here; I'm reading every reply. However, it's sometimes nice to sit down at the computer with a nice bowl of chicken teriyaki and read from a huge archive of reviews.
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| Navin |
Try this site for reviews of Classsic Rock & Pop albums:
http://newstar.rinet.ru/music/index.htm
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| glencar |
The Steve Appleford book was initially published as "It's Only Rock & Roll" for the '97 tour & then retitled "RTJ" for the '02 tour. I found it to be extremely negative towards the end of their career & fairly dull in any case. The Martin Elliott (The RS Recording Sessions) book is much more interesting but the 2nd edition is hard to get in the US. |
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| Strange_Stray_Cat |
My website does, but I haven't finished it yet. |
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| Lil Brian |
Here's a couple from '81 by Robert Christgau
Goat's Head Soup:
Except for the spavined "Dancing with Mr. D" and the oxymoronic "Can You Hear the Music", these are good songs. But the execution is slovenly. I don't mean sloppy, which can be exciting--I mean arrogant and enervated all at once. Mick's phrasing is always indolent, but usually it's calculated down to the last minibeat as well; here the words sometimes catch him yawning. Without trying to be "tight" the band usually grooves into a reckless, sweaty coherence; here they hope the licks will stand on their own. Only on "Starfucker", the most outrageous Chuck Berry throwaway of the band's career, does this record really take off.
Grade: B
Black and Blue:
More blatantly imitative of black-music rhythms and styles than any Stones album since December's Children, and also less original (if more humorous) in the transformation, thisnevertheless takes genuine risks and suggests a way out of their groove. Lots of good stuff, but the key is "Hot Stuff", pure Ohio-Players-go-to-Kingston and very fine shit, and the high point "Fool to Cry", their best track in four years. Diagnosis: not dead by a long shot.
Grade: A-
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| mac_daddy |
somewhere @ RollingStone.com is an archive of all of their reviews. I am sure a search for "rolling stones" @ their site would find what you are looking for pretty quickly (at least the magazine's stuff from over the years). I have not dug in, but I know it is all archived, accessible and free...
Let us know what you find, morocco. Post links in this thread, and then when the next person asks that question, we can refer them to this thread ;
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| SHINE A LIGHT |
yes, try rs.com then go to bill german at www.beggarsbanquetonline.com - look, we're doin' our best here. |
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| SHINE A LIGHT |
hey, moroc. may i ask you a few questions, please? here they are:
1. why the sudden interest in the stones?
2. why have you never been to a concert of theirs?
3. isn't the music the answer.....i find a great deal of comfort/wisdom/laughs/tears/the entire human gamut in the stones' music. they are my lifestyle!
thanks. rsvp. |
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| TheSavageYoungXyzzy |
quote:
glencar wrote:
The Steve Appleford book was initially published as "It's Only Rock & Roll" for the '97 tour & then retitled "RTJ" for the '02 tour. I found it to be extremely negative towards the end of their career & fairly dull in any case. The Martin Elliott (The RS Recording Sessions) book is much more interesting but the 2nd edition is hard to get in the US.
I found the 2nd edition of the Elliott book at my local Barnes & Noble. It's been invaluable! Very well put-together. Nico is still the most comprehensive resource available, but Elliott's book is great as well.
-tSYX --- I know dark clouds have gathered 'round me... |
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| SHINE A LIGHT |
elliott is also available on amazon.co.uk - got mine there!!!! |
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| Zack |
www.keno.org |
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| morocco |
quote:
SHINE A LIGHT wrote:
hey, moroc. may i ask you a few questions, please? here they are:
1. why the sudden interest in the stones?
2. why have you never been to a concert of theirs?
3. isn't the music the answer.....i find a great deal of comfort/wisdom/laughs/tears/the entire human gamut in the stones' music. they are my lifestyle!
thanks. rsvp.
1. I don't have a sudden interest in the Stones, merely a sudden appearance on this forum.
2. It's just not worth it- hundreds of dollars to see some tiny dots on a stage and terrible sound quality.
3. Yes, you are right. |
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| glencar |
Thanks for the info, guys. I'll try B&N first since it's somewhat local. |
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| Nasty Habits |
http://www.robertchristgau.com
has loads of Christgau reviews.
He was, until I think Voodoo Lounge, a lifelong Stones loyalist and his perspectives are generally pretty interesting and with some notable exceptions I think they're pretty right on . . . |
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| SHINE A LIGHT |
moroc.,thanks for the answers. they make a lot of sense. |
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| morocco |
quote:
Nasty Habits wrote:
http://www.robertchristgau.com
has loads of Christgau reviews.
He was, until I think Voodoo Lounge, a lifelong Stones loyalist and his perspectives are generally pretty interesting and with some notable exceptions I think they're pretty right on . . .
Thanks, NH. I will check that site out as well as all the other sites mentioned. |
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