| December 7th, 2005 05:31 PM |
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| Saint Sway |
John Lennon was shot outside the Dakota
No disrespect meant to John, but had Chapman gone after Keith, Chapman would of got his throat slit.
Reason #481 why The Stones are greater than The Beatles.
Keith can't even do himself in. Assassins don't stand a chance.
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| December 7th, 2005 05:48 PM |
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| keefjunkie |
Thats fucking bullshit. I dont know how else to put it, you act like because u prefer the stones that keef would magically deflect bullets or something. Bullshit there was nothing John could have done. U ass. |
| December 7th, 2005 06:11 PM |
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| Saint Sway |
Its a widely known fact that Keith Richards is bullet proof.
At Altamont, if the Hells Angels hadnt intercepted Meredith Hunter, Keith would of caught the bullet in his teeth, grinded it into ash and snorted it off a chicks tit. |
| December 7th, 2005 06:26 PM |
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| texile |
quote:
Saint Sway wrote:
Its a widely known fact that Keith Richards is bullet proof.
At Altamont, if the Hells Angels hadnt intercepted Meredith Hunter, Keith would of caught the bullet in his teeth, grinded it into ash and snorted it off a chicks tit.
being wired makes feel pretty bullet-proof....
otherwise, i think keith would have shit in his pants like the rest of us. |
| December 7th, 2005 06:55 PM |
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| glencar |
times waits for no one. Lennon's recent 1970 interview revelations show what an insecure guy he was. He was EXTREMELY jealous of Jagger. |
| December 7th, 2005 07:17 PM |
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| pdog |
quote:
Saint Sway wrote:
John Lennon was shot outside the Dakota
No disrespect meant to John, but had Chapman gone after Keith, Chapman would of got his throat slit.
Reason #481 why The Stones are greater than The Beatles.
Keith can't even do himself in. Assassins don't stand a chance.
Reason #482, why your posts are stupid... |
| December 7th, 2005 07:19 PM |
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| lotsajizz |
a very fucking tasteless post from a great big asshole who thinks he's funny.....sick |
| December 7th, 2005 10:37 PM |
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| Schooner333 |
quote:
a very fucking tasteless post from a great big asshole who thinks he's funny.....sick
AGREED! I'll never forget the day I woke up and heard that John had been killed. |
| December 7th, 2005 10:58 PM |
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| Bloozehound |
quote:
Saint Sway wrote:
No disrespect meant to John, but had Chapman gone after Keith, Chapman would of got his throat slit.
Reason #481 why The Stones are greater than The Beatles.
Keith can't even do himself in. Assassins don't stand a chance.
very good point Sainty, Lennon and his like are such cuntz, besides, a cold blooded killer like Chapman knows a true badass like Keith would of cut him and made him go score him a bag of smack, plus he'd be overwhelmed by Keiths coolness and everyone wants to be cool with Keith
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| December 7th, 2005 11:48 PM |
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| gypsymofo60 |
What can I say?...........What a load of pure and utter HORSESHIT. If we as a society weren't so fucking piss weak, Chapman and his ilk would all be dust n' bones by now. Instead he's in a nice comfy nick contemplating the release that can't be too far away. Sick thread man! |
| December 8th, 2005 12:06 AM |
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| PeerQueer |
John was the greatest Beatle, followed by George. Both were one-of-a-kind. Lennon was one complicated and talented gentleman.
Paul's a weak-ass little cunt.
...and while I won't go so far as to say he could deflect bullets or anything, Keith circa 1980 was a pretty tough shit - - wired or no, the guy had, and still has, that "it" thing. I got to see him up real close next to the B-stage during Licks, maybe 10 feet away looking right down at me (or the very large-breasted teenager who was drunk off her ass going "fuck yeah!" every 10 seconds while they were playing) but those eyes were friendly one second, and cold as ice the next. Keith is a lot of show, no doubt, but he strikes me as having a genuine killer instinct - and that's what makes him so damn cool.
-Just glad he is still around, unlike so many other greats who left far too young. |
| December 8th, 2005 12:09 AM |
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| gypsymofo60 |
Carrying guns and knives around the French mafia on The Cote'D Azure has gotta either have balls of pure titanium, or have a severe death wish. Keith's a hard case, no question there. |
| December 8th, 2005 12:15 AM |
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| Brainbell Jangler |
My guess is that if Keith read the shit that Saint Schwag and Bloozecunt wrote today (of all days!), he'd want to cut THEIR worthless throats. |
| December 8th, 2005 12:25 AM |
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| PeerQueer |
quote:
Brainbell Jangler wrote:
My guess is that if Keith read the shit that Saint Schwag and Bloozecunt wrote today (of all days!), he'd want to cut THEIR worthless throats.
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You might be on to something there... |
| December 8th, 2005 02:41 PM |
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| texile |
quote:
PeerQueer wrote:
John was the greatest Beatle, followed by George. Both were one-of-a-kind. Lennon was one complicated and talented gentleman.
Paul's a weak-ass little cunt.
nonsense -
how can anyone believe that?
take macca out of the beatles equation and...
its inconceivable - i though lennon was cooler when i was a kid; but then i grew up and realized it had been all about the attitude and image..
still loved john but as a musician - i could not deny the gifts of james paul macartney.
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| December 8th, 2005 03:56 PM |
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| FPM C10 |
Friday, 25 November 2005 BBC News
Lennon's friends recall ex-Beatle
John Lennon was widely seen as the Beatles' leader
Friends and family of John Lennon have given their memories of the star as the 25th anniversary of his death nears.
Singers Tom Jones and Cilla Black were among those to recall the singer, who was shot dead in New York on 8 December 1980, for Radio Times magazine.
Ex-wife Cynthia Lennon said Lennon never "lost the pain of his childhood" while ex-girlfriend May Pang said he disliked being the focus of attention.
Rolling Stones star Keith Richards said the singer was "a great bloke".
Richards added: "For some reason he always felt he had to party harder than me.
"Which is a very difficult thing to do - especially in those days."
'Sensitive side'
Ex-wife Cynthia Lennon said the pain he experienced in his early life, including the death of his mother, was "a crucial part of John's aggressiveness and creativity".
The Lennon edition of Radio Times goes on sale on 26 November
"Whether people want to accept that, it's up to them, but John was violent and aggressive at times," she said.
"He never stopped creating. He was constantly searching for something new and trying to find himself within it.
"Even when he was married to Yoko, I don't think he lost the pain of childhood."
Cilla Black, who got her big break when Lennon recommended her to The Beatles manager Brian Epstein, said the singer was "very, very sensitive".
"He had this caustic sense of humour, but at the end of the day if he thought he'd hurt anyone he'd be mortified," she said.
"You can't write all those incredible, vulnerable songs - Imagine, Across the Universe, Julia - and not be vulnerable and sensitive."
Transformation noted
May Pang, Lennon's personal assistant and girlfriend for two years, said: "John just didn't understand his being the focus of all this attention."
Yoko Ono was with Lennon when he was shot outside their home
Journalist Maureen Cleaver, who befriended The Beatles while working for the Evening Standard newspaper in London, said Lennon was "bemused" by the wealth success had brought him.
Former NME news editor Derek Johnson recalls how The Beatles' final years saw Lennon "transform from a fun-loving cheeky chappie into a sombre and morose man".
Welsh singer Jones recalled a time when Lennon was snubbed by Lord Mountbatten.
Jones said: "John turned to me and said: 'Do you believe that? He blanked me. And I've met the Queen.'"
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| December 8th, 2005 03:57 PM |
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Still A Drag… John Lennon’s Death - 25 years On
Paul McCartney's instantly-notorious first public comment on John Lennon's murder in December 1980 - "it's a drag" - was at the time held up as an example of gross insensitivity by an estranged friend. In reality it was the understatement of devastation. There's a telling line in Sidney Lumet's 1983 film "Daniel" - a fictionalized account of the struggles of the two children of executed "spies" Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.
"Why don't you console her?" asks someone about the suicidally-distraught daughter at one point. The answer is chilling in its intensity. "Did it ever occur to you that she might be inconsolable?"
The world has had to come to terms with the senseless murder of John Lennon twenty five years ago. But for the millions around the world who were deeply enthralled and touched by Lennon's gifts - the ache remains.
Early and tragic death of a hero, a leader or a cultural icon always produces reactions of greater intensity than the sad passing-on of a revered figure at a grand old age. Our loss is not just the pang of regret that a much cherished person has finally shuffled off the mortal coil. It is also the burning pain of what might have been.
It is certainly true that when John Lennon was shot he was immediately eulogized, mythologized and indeed canonized. And if you weren't a follower - or were too young to experience the Lennon impact in 'real time' - you could be forgiven for reacting suspiciously to all the 25th anniversary hoopla. "I mean he was just a pop singer right? Married to that kooky Japanese woman. I'm sorry he died - but why the fuss?"
Did we over-react to Lennon's death in 1980? Are we pining for a mythological cipher now?
Those are healthy questions. I don't begrudge them. The weight of 25 years of soliloquies hangs heavy on the uninitiated. So let the answers be given.
John Lennon was not God. But he earned the love and admiration of his generation by creating a huge body of work that inspired and led rather than simply following. The appreciation for him deepened because he then instinctively decided to use his celebrity as a bully pulpit for causes greater than his own enrichment or self-aggrandizement.
For several key years in the late 60's and early 70's - he and Yoko Ono consciously turned turned their lives into a virtual "Truman Show" to promote the issues they believed in.
One of Lennon's many gifts was his humor. He knew - but accepted that many people were laughing at them. He didn't care. He cared that the message was being heard. If disbelievers were going to ridicule his peace protests that was at least preferable to them being engaged in violence. One of the secrets of Lennon (and indeed all four Beatles) was that he took his work seriously. But he never took HIMSELF too seriously.
What is the Lennon legacy? There is the astonishing body of music. The jaunty anthems he wrote in the early Beatle years (1962-1965) may have been teen love songs - but they displayed an exuberant joy that is surprisingly undiminished by the passage of time. Then, once Bob Dylan showed him that lyrics could be personal - Lennon tapped into his feelings and revealed a gift for sensitivity and self-awareness that completely belied his oft-proclaimed status as "just a rocker."
From mid-1965 onwards in both his Beatles canon and his solo oeuvre - he learned how to direct-inject his feelings into his songwriting.
One thinks of the reflections in "In My Life" - "Though I know I'll never lose affection for people and things that went before..." And the lines in "Help!" - "When I was younger, so much younger than today...." He was still only 24 when he wrote those words. An old soul indeed…
Poets and playwrights wrote of insecurity. Pop singers may have (justifiably) felt it. But they certainly didn't sing about it to their fans. Lennon did. "Every now and then I feel so insecure..." he sang in "Help!" He also admitted to jealousy, suicidal depression and (in "Cold Turkey") heroin addiction.
When he undertook primal scream therapy under Dr. Arthur Janov in 1970, he instinctively took painful revelations and turned them into cathartic art for a world raised on denial of emotion.
Lennon had been abandoned by his father before birth - and then again when he was 5. And his mother gave him up to be raised by her sister. Lennon lost his mother again when he was 18, when she was run over by a drunken off-duty policeman. (The fact that the driver was a policeman was an incidental detail – his profession was not the reason for the fatality – but it probably colored his attitude towards authority figures.)
Twelve years later, Lennon philosophized the loss in simply and heart-breakingly stark terms: "Mother... you had me - but I never had you. I needed you - but you didn't need me."
And in the song's stunning coda, Lennon set to music a repeated plea that was primal and universal. "Mama don't go... Daddy come home..." His howls of anguish - quite unheard of before in popular music - were truth at 33 revolutions per minute.
His gut decision to turn his life into art set Lennon apart from McCartney in terms of style. (Lennon was a diarist - and McCartney - no less artistically - was a dramatist.) Indeed it set Lennon high above the others in his own tree. There were many who joined Lennon or who followed Lennon into the new world of singer/songwriter-dom. But few matched his poetry or honesty. For Lennon, confessional songwriting was much more than just the prominent use of the first-person pronoun - which seemed to be the norm in the self-obsessed 70's.
It is interesting to read the original (pre-murder) reviews of Lennon's 'comeback' album after his five years dedicated to the raising of his second son Sean. The 1980 album "Double Fantasy" included several paeans to the joys that maturity was bringing John Lennon. His love of Yoko, "Woman please understand - the little child inside the man..." And his prescient warning to his five-year old son that "Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans." A lot of reviewers were bemoaning the album - complaining of its gentler lyrical themes. As usual Lennon had grown up before his critics. The tragedy of December 1980 overtook those foolish reviews and the sentiments were forgotten. Indeed the poignancy of the lyrics assumed unbearable weight. But the lyrics were beautiful BEFORE the loss. It just took the "other plans" of a deranged human for some people to get the message.
Lennon was certainly no saint. His personal life did not always match his philosophy and aspirations. When he fell in love with Yoko One - who was truly his soul mate and muse - he treated his first wife rather shabbily. Her financial settlement - while broadly in line with the conventions of the day for a working class man from Northern England - was not the act of a generous or gracious man. His laudable devotion to his second son Sean was partly in reaction to the guilt of his neglect of his first son Julian. Though he was just starting to make amends to Julian - his murder took place before the reparations were that far along. Julian to this day bears the scars of the shortfall between intention and action that affects many parents. But for the son of a suddenly canonized dead father - there was nowhere to go to get that love. And castigating a murdered hero wins no friends. Hence some of Julian’s displaced anger towards the “wicked step-mother who stole away my dad.” The anger Julian feels is towards his dad – and that is an anger that dare not speak or sing its name…
But Lennon's admirers accept those faults just as Martin Luther King's personal failings are put in perspective by the greatness of his achievements. We know that heroes are flawed. And we are sad for those they hurt. However, those weaknesses don't diminish the overall achievements. They are simply a reminder of human limitations.
Of all Lennon's legacies - one of the most enduring and - perhaps the most impressive is who his enemies were.
I'm not referring to jealous friendly rivals such as Mick Jagger - who has never entirely recovered from Lennon writing the Stones' first hit "I Wanna Be Your Man" (after begging John and Paul for a song) only to discover that John had given him a throwaway so weak that Lennon then threw it into the Beatles roster as a Ringo vocal!
Nor to the inexplicable bleatings of detractors such as REM's Michael Stipe who implausibly claims never to have been influenced by Lennon or the Beatles and to regard them as "elevator Muzak." (Actually close analysis of Stipe's lyrics reveals that he is telling the truth. He is much more influenced by the Monkees...)
No - the true measure of John Lennon's greatness was that in the 1970's he terrified the most powerful man in the world. He literally petrified the then President of the United States into a succession of illegal acts of persecution - out of fear that Lennon's popularity would prevent his re-election.
The story - in condensed form - is this. In 1971, Lennon recorded his follow-up to the ground-breaking "Plastic Ono Band" album - the powerful "Imagine" album. Shortly before the album's release in October 1971 - Lennon and Yoko Ono decamped England and moved to New York. The album and the "Imagine" single immediately topped the charts and solidified Lennon's position as the world's most influential rock star - particularly in America.
Lennon was at the height of his political involvement at this time - railing against the war in Vietnam and many other injustices. Within weeks of arriving in the US he was meeting with Jerry Rubin, Abbie Hoffman and other members of the New Left. America had just lowered the voting age to 18 - and the upcoming 1972 presidential election would be the first opportunity for America's under-21's to vote.
Lennon expressed interest in partaking in fund-raising, voter-registration anti-war rallies and concerts - which would take place in many of the 1972 primary states. With the full protection of the First Amendment (which protects citizens and non-citizens alike) - Lennon's intended actions were completely legal.
But Congressional Republicans who cherished their beloved President - Richard Nixon - were worried. The popularity of John Lennon could help galvanize the anti-war movement and result in a massive vote against Nixon. After all, Lennon's anthem "Give Peace A Chance" had been sung by over half a million demonstrators at the famous November 1969 anti-war rally in Washington.
On February 4, 1972, a secret memo (now revealed under the Freedom Of information Act) was sent to Richard Nixon by none other than the late Senator Strom Thurmond (then a youngster of merely 70.) In the memo he railed about Lennon and the danger he could cause the President's 1972 re-election campaign. Fortunately, Thurmond (writing as a member of the Senate Judiciary committee) had a solution in mind. "If Lennon's visa is terminated it would be a strategy (sic) counter-measure." Though he noted that "caution must be taken with regard to the possible alienation of the so-called 18-year old vote if Lennon is expelled from the country."
This memo arrived in the Nixon White House shortly after the notorious 1971 John Dean memo in which he proposed "We can use the available political machinery to screw our political enemies."
As we all know - Nixon followed Dean's advice to the letter. And John Lennon was on the receiving end of a vicious 4-year campaign of FBI surveillance and INS harassment.
(In 1975 the INS chief counsel on the case resigned his position - telling Rolling Stone magazine that the US government was being more vigorous in its attempts to deport John Lennon than it was in its attempts to expel Nazi war criminals dwelling in the US.)
Threatened with imminent deportation at a time when he and Yoko needed to be in the US (they were trying to trace Yoko's daughter who had been abducted and taken to America by Yoko's previous husband) - Lennon was forced to tone down his quite legal political activities. Nixon was safely re-elected, and J. Edgar Hoover, who personally supervised the campaign against Lennon, was allowed to pursue the ex-Beatle aggressively.
(Time revealed the true nature of both Richard Nixon and J. Edgar Hoover.)
One cannot think of a single artist or entertainer prior to - or since John Lennon - who had that kind of impact. No other creative artist has ever induced that level of fear in a man who was ostensibly the most powerful man in the world.
Ideas, honesty, passion, humor and brilliant empathetic songs it seems were more powerful. Just imagine that....
And that is why today my eyes are red. My heart is heavy. I will play John Lennon music today. I will watch the video of Lennon insouciantly chewing gum as he sang "All You Need Is Love" live to 400 million people worldwide by satellite in June 1967. I will laugh as I watch him tweak stuffy pomposity again and again: "Those in the cheaper seats clap. The rest of you just rattle your jewelry..." And I will weep still more tears at the loss of a man who inspired me in my childhood - and who inspires me to this day.
Paul got it right. It was a drag. It’s still a drag. And I'm still inconsolable…
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| December 8th, 2005 04:00 PM |
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| texile |
good article..... |
| December 8th, 2005 04:11 PM |
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| glencar |
Rolling Stones star Keith Richards said the singer was "a great bloke".
Richards added: "For some reason he always felt he had to party harder than me.
"Which is a very difficult thing to do - especially in those days."
Interesting how Keith can be so honest & so humorous all at the same time. It's what many of us strive for & often fall short of doing. |
| December 8th, 2005 04:16 PM |
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| Joey |
" It's what many of us strive for & often fall short of doing."
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| December 8th, 2005 04:26 PM |
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| glencar |
You caught me! |
| December 8th, 2005 04:27 PM |
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| Joey |
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glencar wrote:
You caught me!
Come to Joey .........
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| December 8th, 2005 04:27 PM |
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| glencar |
Bad timing. Has that show sold out yet? |
| December 8th, 2005 04:29 PM |
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| Joey |
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glencar wrote:
Bad timing. Has that show sold out yet?
************* WTF ?!?!?! *****************
In twenty minutes .......
You make Joey very sad . |
| December 8th, 2005 04:30 PM |
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| glencar |
Nebraska must be all "a-titter" over this most major event, Mr. Eddie's Father! |
| December 8th, 2005 04:31 PM |
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| jb |
Lennon is highly overrated and failed to provide for Julian like he has for Yoko and Sean. We tend to immotalize those taken away violoently or at a young age, but disregard the greatest group ever, whom at 60 plus years, still make the Beatles look like the insects they were.
Plus, as you saw, Lennon realy disliked the Stones and mocked Jagger out of sheer jealousy.
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| December 8th, 2005 04:32 PM |
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| Joey |
" Nebraska must be all "a-titter" over this most major event, Mr. Eddie's Father!"
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| December 8th, 2005 04:35 PM |
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| glencar |
Rrowr! |
| December 8th, 2005 05:49 PM |
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| PeerQueer |
[quote]Joey wrote:
" Nebraska must be all "a-titter" over this most major event, Mr. Eddie's Father!"
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Fabulous looking lady!
Yes, quite remarkable actually... |
| December 8th, 2005 06:09 PM |
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| stonedinaustralia |
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jb wrote:
Lennon is highly overrated and failed to provide for Julian like he has for Yoko and Sean. We tend to immotalize those taken away violoently or at a young age, but disregard the greatest group ever, whom at 60 plus years, still make the Beatles look like the insects they were.
Plus, as you saw, Lennon realy disliked the Stones and mocked Jagger out of sheer jealousy.
jb!!! - is that really you man - where have you been - hope you have been ok
missed you round here as no one can write a post slagging off the beatles like you can |
