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| sandrew |
So, I've always known about the incredible rumor that it's Ry Cooder playing the classic, open-G riff in "Honky Tonk Women." Now, in the new Stones biography "Old Gods Almost Dead" I come across Cooder's claim that Keith stole the lick from him and that he, Cooder, plays a lot of uncredited tracks on "Let it Bleed." Evidently, he came away from his experience with the Stones with a bad taste in his mouth, as he's quoted as saying that they're a "reptilian bunch of people" and "bloodsuckers."
Anyone familiar with Cooder's style can tell that he influenced Keith's playing, as Keith himself has said. But the germ of the "Keith riff," as far as I'm concerned, can be heard in songs as early as "19th Nervous Breakdown" -- even more so in "Street Fighting Man." Sounds to me like Cooder is a bit of an egomaniac. What do you all think? |
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| Street_Fighting_Man |
Ry Cooder was quoted on saying that??? The Stones actually ask Ry if he wanted to join the band, he turned them down because of the lifestyle he'll be facing, this was before they asked Taylor. |
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| sandrew |
Yeah, if memory serves, the quote was originally published in Rolling Stone. Cooder left the Stones camp feeling very bitter. He was shocked at their behavior, especially their treatment of Brian Jones. (Cooder probably wouldn't have felt so sympathetic if he knew what kind of character Jones was - an abusive paranoiac who was probably guilty of rape.) Anyway, I think Cooder was being a little paranoid himself about the Honky Tonk riff. . . |
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| robbluedog |
Ry Cooder claimed that the Stones somehow 'ripped him off' regarding the Honky Tonk Women opening guitar riff. I've also read that Brian Jones contributed to that riff as well, before Cooder joined the sessions.
What I think Ry Cooder was really saying was that Keith just generally appropriated Ry's style of open tuning slide playing. To bear this out Ry claims Keith wiped some of the parts that he played on 'Let it Bleed' and substituted them with his own playing, but copying them near note for note. One would imagine this may refer to songs like Love in Vain, where Ry is featured playing the mandolin. Maybe Ry played the original electric slide part too?
But it is important to remember that Brian Jones was the one who brought open tuning slide to the Stones and it has always been a part of their sound - in every era. |
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