| 12th November 2006 10:28 AM |
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| Martha |
Oh my, I haven't been on line for a couple of days so I missed this sad news. :-(
My sympathy and prayers go out to Mick, and the family and friends of Joe. I am so glad Joe was blessed with such a long life.
It can make the loss a tiny bit less harsh when the person lives to such a ripe age.
I wish you peace.
love,
Martha |
| 12th November 2006 11:21 AM |
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| Paranoid_Android |
Thoughts to Mick, Jerry, and the Jagger family...remember...you are British...keep that stiff upper lip...and be brave for each other. |
| 12th November 2006 11:30 AM |
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| robpop |
My deepest sympathy. Thanks for the great gift that was given to all of us. |
| 12th November 2006 02:23 PM |
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| Fabio Hot Stuff |
a kiss away from Fabio, Italy |
| 12th November 2006 02:27 PM |
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| FotiniD |
RIP Joe Jagger. I've never even heard him talking or anything, but he always gave me this warm feeling, he looked like such a sweet and nice man. And he did a nice job raising his sons.
All my love and sympathies to Mick and Chris and his grandsons and grandaughters. |
| 12th November 2006 03:18 PM |
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| paddy |
quote:
Paranoid_Android wrote:
Thoughts to Mick, Jerry, and the Jagger family...remember...you are British...keep that stiff upper lip...and be brave for each other.
stop it...................... |
| 12th November 2006 03:25 PM |
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| Lucy_Bandersnatch |
My sincere condolences to Mick and the Jagger family. You are in my thoughts and prayers. |
| 12th November 2006 03:28 PM |
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| marko |
RIP
I actually really hoped him to recover,but i guess thats
not very likely,when you´re aged 93!!!
Thats a good age,i mean how many even makes over 70? |
| 12th November 2006 06:41 PM |
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| lonecrapshooter |
RIP JJ!
[Edited by lonecrapshooter] |
| 12th November 2006 08:52 PM |
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| gustavobala |
RIP Joe Jagger!
descanse em paz! |
| 12th November 2006 09:33 PM |
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| Soldatti |
Very sad news, I feel sorry for Mick and family.
Gold rings on you Joe. |
| 13th November 2006 09:02 AM |
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| Factory Girl |
What sad news. I feel terrible for Mick and the enire Jagger family. Rest in peace Joe Jagger and thank you very kindly for giving us Mick. |
| 13th November 2006 10:57 AM |
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| Saint Sway |
very sad news.
even more sad, there were more threads here about Ed Bradleys death
any word on what shows will be cancelled? |
| 13th November 2006 12:56 PM |
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| Gazza |
None
Mick will fly back for a private funeral in the next few days but I dont think any shows will be pulled. |
| 13th November 2006 02:29 PM |
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| Joey |
quote:
Gazza wrote:
None
Mick will fly back for a private funeral in the next few days but I dont think any shows will be pulled.
That Atlantic City date is on ' shaky ground ' IMHO !!!! |
| 13th November 2006 11:21 PM |
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| Bitch |
quote:
Jeep wrote:
Karis looks so pretty. |
| 14th November 2006 12:05 AM |
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| glencar |
Will the other guys also fly back for the funeral? |
| 14th November 2006 05:54 AM |
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| Gazza |
I very much doubt it. Not in mid-tour
[Edited by Gazza] |
| 14th November 2006 05:58 AM |
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| Gazza |
RIP Jumping Jack Flash senior
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 14/11/2006
Without the lips, stamina and Puritan ethic of Joe Jagger, who died at the weekend, there would have been no Mick, says Adam Edwards
It may be that the death of 93-year-old Basil Fanshawe Jagger (known to everybody as Joe) is thought of as no more than a footnote in the history of English rock and roll.
Family affair: Mick Jagger at Buckingham Palace with his father Joe and daughters Karis and Elizabeth
His passing at the weekend merited only a few tabloid paragraphs and a couple of seconds of television news. Yet this Lancashire-born gym teacher can claim responsibility for the creation of the world's most iconic, snake-hipped, rock and roll star – Mick Jagger.
Joe Jagger ended his days in Kingston Hospital, dying from pneumonia following a fall two weeks ago at his Surrey home. But it was this otherwise unassuming pensioner whom Sir Mick himself called the greatest influence in his life.
Without Joe Jagger's puritanism there would have been no rebel complaining about not getting any satisfaction. Without the inheritance of Joe's big lips the rock star caricature would not have been born.
And without Joe's passion for keeping fit, Jumping Jack Flash would never have danced like the devil. In fact, without Joe there would have been no Mick as we know him.
It was the bespectacled, balding Joe who, according to Sir Mick himself, "taught me how to apply myself and how to distribute myself".
It was Joe, a leader in the physical education field, who arranged many of Mick's routines over the years. And it was Joe and his wife Eva who lent Mick the money to start up the callow singer's first band, Little Boy Blue and the Blue Boys.
Eva, formerly an active member of the Conservative Party who died six years ago, once said: "Mike [Mick was always called Mike among his family] was a bit sensitive about his singing in those days.
"He didn't like being watched or overheard. Joe and I loaned them the money for their early equipment, although money was tight. We had to… to keep Mike quiet."
The father of Britain's best-known rocker came from a strict non-drinking Baptist family and attended Oldham Hulme Grammar School.
He was an assistant schoolmaster working in Dartford, Kent, when in 1940 he married Australian-born Eva. She was then working as a hairdresser. Three years later Mick arrived on the scene, followed in 1947 by his younger brother Chris.
Joe moved the family to a detached house in the Kent village of Wilmington and became a director of physical education at the local college. He also worked with the British Sports Council, where he was a pioneer of the British basketball movement.
He coached the sport at Dartford Grammar School, too, where his eldest son was a pupil.
"Mick could have been a great athlete," said Joe, many years after his son had become internationally famous for his on-stage prancing. "He was excellent at basketball and cricket but he didn't want to be tied down with practice."
And yet it was through sport, at the age of 13, that Mick made his first television appearance with his father. The two of them were featured rock climbing in Tunbridge Wells on BBC TV's Seeing Sport. (They also demonstrated putting up a tent and cooking a meal over a campfire.)
"I never got to have a raving adolescence," said Mick. "I don't think I was a popular kid but then I don't think I was particularly unpopular.
"I was just an ordinary rebellious, studious, hard-working kid." In those days he was teased for his thick lips. "My father used to apologise to me for giving them to me. I inherited them from his side of the family."
It was also at Dartford Grammar that Jagger began to take an interest in music. "I was always a singer," said the rock star. "I always sang as a child. I was one of those kids who just liked to sing. Some children sing in choirs; others like to show off in front of the mirror. I was in the church choir."
It was his father's influence that had persuaded him to join the choir, a decision that would eventually lead to Mick's fame and fortune. "I've never known a youngster with such an analytical approach to things," said Joe after Mick's early success. "If he copied a song he was able to capture the sound exactly."
And later Joe recalled: "I didn't realise how well Mike was getting on until he started using the phone a great deal. It was only when they grew their hair long that a change came about. At first he and his group were just the sort of youngsters that any parent could be proud of."
Joe remained proud of his son despite the ups and downs of the Sixties' Rolling Stones, when the band seemed to personify drugs, excess and debauchery.
He even used his fitness-training background to devise his son's workout routines, which have been credited with giving Jagger his phenomenal stamina on stage.
Today, Jagger has a personal trainer, wears earplugs on stage, drinks only occasionally and tries to get a full eight hours of sleep a night.
It is, he told The Daily Telegraph last year, a legacy from his father. "He totally drilled it into me to look after myself from a very early age," he said. "He brainwashed me. I'm an assiduous trainer and I've been training since 1970."
However, it did, according to his late father, take his son some time to learn to keep fit. "Mike has gradually learnt, as he gets older, that keeping fit becomes more important," he said recently.
"He is very careful about what he eats and drinks now. He tends to stick to fish and Perrier water. He hardly ever touches alcohol, except perhaps a glass of wine with his meal. I have told him it's no use just jogging all the time, without any other form of exercise."
His father's wishes, it seems, were executed to the very end.
Mick was at his father's bedside at Kingston Hospital on Friday night, having flown back from the American leg of the Rolling Stones' A Bigger Bang tour but, on being told his condition was improving, left for the States the following morning. Joe rapidly deteriorated and died shortly afterwards. Arrangements are now being made for a private funeral.
Mick was informed of his father's death in a phone call five hours before he was due to go on stage in Las Vegas, and the devastated singer carried on with the performance to the sell-out 14,000 crowd, reportedly saying that that was what his father would have liked.
For Jagger was immensely proud of his late father.
And Joe Jagger was equally proud of his famous son, as he proved when he accompanied him to Buckingham Palace to collect Mick's knighthood in 2003. "I felt very good for him," said Sir Mick of his old man.
As well he might. For despite nine decades of clean living, there is no doubt about the heritage. Joe Jagger was Jumping Jack Flash Senior.
[Edited by Gazza] |
| 14th November 2006 10:52 PM |
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| Bruno |
What a cool dad!
RIP Joe. |
