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I was thinking maybe the reason Keith didn't come up with that many song idea for a Bigger Bang may be because he saving the songs for a Santana style guest album. Maybe Steve Earle, Peter Wolf, Lou Reed, Elisha Keys, Macy Grey, Norah Jones, AC/DC and Mick Talyor....... Thoughts?

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Gazza wrote:
Slim going on none, I would think

Imagine a Keith/Lou Reed duet..Jesus

Love 'em both but it would be like listening to two guys eating gravel and frogs...

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Bloozehound wrote:
I've been saying for some time now that Keith should to hook up with Dylan, Willie and Merle and do the supergroup thing

call themselves The Old Farts

w/ album called "Fartin' in the Wind"

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IanBillen wrote:

Again how do we know Keith didn't come up with many ideas? From what I saw on the DVD preview they were both writing together. Speaking of ideas it was Keiths idea to have Mick play drums while he doubled on bass in order to improvise against what the Rolling Stones normal writing process is in order to get the tunes rolling in the first place. Watch the preview and they clearly explain this. And the rest of the people on the DVD preview said the two worked as a team more so on this album than in a long long time. It was even stated the two "joined forces" more so this time in order to produce the great album A Bigger Bang is. How many times can we go over it? Besides Keith came up with what many (not necessarily me but I do see their point) would argue to be the best song on the entire album....Rough Justice. Isn't that in itself worth something credible?

OK,
Let us just say Keith didn't come up with a single song on his own. Just for the sake of arguement because we all know he came up with at least a good handfull but let's just say Mick wrote every single song for the most part. That STILL does not discredit Keith Richards as a crucial ingredient to The Rolling Stones song writing process. Why? Just look how much better and more consistant those songs that you claim Mick wrote all of are than on a Mick Jagger solo effort. So if you look at it that way Mick needs Keith to work with in order for Mick to be his very best when it comes to writing a tune.
The proof is in the pudding. Geez compare Goddess in The doorway to A Bigger Bang. Keith writing with Mick is sure doing something bec ause they just put out arguably the best album they have done in almost 25 years.

So Keith is STILL as crucial as ever no matter how you look at it.

?Neocon where are you?

Ian

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Neocon wrote:
Ian, I've been waiting for more info on who wrote what before starting that thread again. It can be pretty volatile, like the Paris thread. You want to get your ducks lined up. The only new thing I've learned are that Mick came up with the riff to "Rain Fall Down."

Let me review though for your sake:

1. Rough Justic: Keith had the riff down and some barnyard lyrics and finishied it with Mick. (Source: Music Connection Magazine) Conjecture is that Keith did some additional lyrics and melody "I don't want no confrontation"

2. Let Me Down Slow: Mick came up with the basic song, keith came up with the decening chorus.

3. It Won't take Long: No info. Speculation about the Gimme Shelter sound strongly suggests Keith music. Words suggest mostly Mick.

4. Rain Fall Down: I found some online info that Mick came up with the riff. Very Mick. Keith may have thrown in a clanky riff.

5. Streets of Love: "A Mick Tour Deforce, We were saying you have to take it up and down because it sounds standard." Source: (guitar Magazine)

6. She Saw Me Coming: Conjecture is that Keith came up with the riff and they did some words and melody together.

7. Back of My Hand: Mick already had the slide riff and a few words to the chorus when he showed it to Keith. Keith was thinking, Muddy Water... Prison songs. Sources: Q Magazine, Music Connection, Guitar Magazine.

8. Biggest Mistake: No info. Conjecture is that it's mostly Mick words and verses and maybe a Keith chorus.

9. This Place in Empty: Keith wrote it about feeling lonely when Patti was away. It's all Keith, many sources, like Guitar Magazine.

10. Oh No Not You Again: Seems like mostly Mick words and Keith says it was "Patchwork." Source: Guitar Magazine. Some indication that Mick took more than a comfortable amount of this from Dave Stewarts song. Seems like Keith and Ronnie helped define some of the pounding riffs and leads.

11. Dangerous Beauty: Common sense suggests the slowed down "You Got Me Rocking" Riff is Keith idea. The Chorus may have been Keith and the words were likely largely Micks.

12. Laugh I Nearly Died: No info, most feel it's all Mick.

13. Sweet Neocon: Keith and Mick have Made it clear it is Micks words. Some feel the music was developed with Mick on drum and Keith on Guitar, this is conjecture.

14. Look What the Cat Dragged in: Common sense suggests INXS helped with this song, and then inspiration from Paint it Black and Street Fighting Man.

15. Driving to Fast: No info found. Most speculate it basically Mick

16. Infamy: Pretty much Keith. Source: Guitar Magazine

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Good summing up what we know or educatively specualate to the present. I appreciate the detail. You and Soldatti would make excellent investigative journalists (just like Mick thought he may of wanted to do at one time).

So this is what we know so far....it really doesn't look that Mick Dominating. Sure he has the edge in numbers involving the writing it seems as to what we know so far but Keith is very much writing and contributing as well.

Ian

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padre wrote:
The harmonica riff is exactly the same. I think the VL outtake is better than the released Sweet Neocon.

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