| November 8th, 2005 10:44 AM |
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| Neocon |
So if Dangerous Beauty and It Won't Take Long are adult contemporary I may have to start listening to adult comtemporary. It sounds like the Stones are adult contemporary. Moonlight Mile, Wild Horses, Dead Flowers You Can't Always Get What You Want, Beast of Burden..... adult contemporary.
A lot of It Won't Take Long suggests Gimmie Shelter, so, GC=AC
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Sir Stonesalot wrote:
>Say you take Rough Justice, It Won't take Long, Dangerous Beauty, She Saw Me Coming, This Place is Empty, Let Me Down Slow, Oh No Not You Again, and Infamy. There you have a Black and Blue length LP with a good proportion of Keith and a good proportion of music that is no where near adult contemporary. Add some Laugh I Nearly Died and generic Blues Back of My Hand and there's a good 10 track Stones album.<
See here is where we differ...you say that that track list is nowhere near AC and I'm saying that it's almost ENTIRELY AC. I see only 3 songs that are NOT AC...RJ, ONNYA, and BOMH. All the rest is most certainly Adult Contemprary music.
A good 10 track Stones album...but it isn't a 10 ttack album. It's 16 tracks. If ABB is a "strong" or "great" album...why does everyone want to cut it down to 10 songs?
Ya'll want to be A Bigger Bang apologists, that's fine by me. But I will NOT say that something is "strong" or "great" when it most certainly isn't.
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| November 8th, 2005 12:31 PM |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
>Sir Stones my friend, which parts of Dirty Work, Undercover and Steel Wheels stands up better than A Bigger Bang as you say "most mediocre of work<
That IS the Stones most mediocre of work...and at best A Bigger Bang fits right in with those records. I'd rate both Dirty Work and Undercover better than ABB, simply because those are both unquestionably rock n roll albums. And ABB is not.
Remember back when Steel Wheels came out? Remember how the critics loved it? Remember how excited the fans were to get a new Stones album after THREE years? Remember everyone hailing the Stones return to form? Sounds framiliar doesn't it. ABB is Steel Wheels without anything as good as Continental Drift on it.
So what are we arguing about? Varying degrees of crappiness? A Bigger Bang...it's only slightly more or less crappy than Undercover! There's a compliment for ya! Jeez.
>The beef, again imo, would It Won't Take Long, Dangerous Beauty, Driving Too Fast in addition to the songs mentioned above. Remember it's an album of different styles but those are five songs that rock.<
>Well, forgot about She Saw Me Coming so (again in my opinion) that actually makes six songs that rock.<
OK, I see now that we are living in two completely different worlds when it comes to rock n roll. I mean, if that is your idea of songs that rock, that's cool. To me, those songs are ALL Adult Contemporary except for SSMC...that's straight up pop.
It's like saying that those post primetime movies that they show on Cinemax is porn. It's not porn. There is no full insertion or wet climax so it can't be porn. You see what I mean?
>What a band does in concert and what a band is able to do in the studio where you have to creat new art, new songs is two different things. What does one have to do with the other????<
You really don't know? Do you really think that The Stones just go out on stage and play the same old stuff every night? No way. They go out and play different every night. They try new things here and there in songs that they have been playing for 40 years. If they can take a song that they have been playing for 40 years, and make it sound creative and new...then they sure as shit better be able to walk into a studio and be able to be creative with new music. Creating on stage and creating in the studio...it's the same, it's all creative. If the Stones can still play creatively, they should still be able to write creatively. That does not sound reasonable to you?
>so when are the STONES going to make these albums that compare to Dylan in quality???<
I dunno. I keep waiting. I think another difference between the two of us is that I still believe in the Stones. You are willing to accept less because you think that's all that the Stones have to give. Not me. I think that they are still capable of much better. I hear them play with such fire and passion, but when I put ABB in my CD player I got none of that fire or passion.
>since when can I not state the obvious that someone in their sixties (THE stones) is not same person they were in their thirties.<
I never said that anyone couldn't say anything. All I said was that I don't like it when people say this kind of thing. Why? Because I don't think it's true. I just heard the Stones play like they did 30 years ago last month! Mick is BETTER than he was 30 years ago. Charlie is at least as good, if not better. The problem is getting the two guitar players to focus. But they CAN focus, I've seen 'em do it. And when they do it's spectacular! I have every faith that they STILL have greatness in them.
You are right about one thing though...it's kinda pointless to discuss this with you. We are coming from two completely different places and we oughta just let it go at that.
At least you now know that I am right 100% of the time(*joking*). Now if you'd only explain that to my wife!! LOL!! |
| November 8th, 2005 01:25 PM |
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| time is on my side |
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Sir Stonesalot wrote:
>You are right about one thing though...it's kinda pointless to discuss this with you. We are coming from two completely different places and we oughta just let it go at that.
At least you now know that I am right 100% of the time(*joking*). Now if you'd only explain that to my wife!! LOL!!
On that note- I agree. I don't try to rigidly classify everything. I much more interested in music that entertains me (you're definition of adult contemporary I find too broad and very confusing- it seems to encompass just about anything that you don't like) and ABB definitely entertains me. It could be, as you said, that I just don't get it. If that's the case, then I'm happy remaining blissfully ignorant.
Music brings a feeling of joy to me. I'd like to keep that feeling. For someone like me who has been listening to music for well over 40 years, the only person I'm trying to please is myself. I don't worry too much about the other stuff |
| November 8th, 2005 01:37 PM |
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| Sir Stonesalot |
>Music brings a feeling of joy to me. I'd like to keep that feeling. For someone like me who has been listening to music for well over 40 years, the only person I'm trying to please is myself. I don't worry too much about the other stuff<
Yep, that's the way to go.
And I really am glad that ABB turns people on. That's very cool.
I just wish it turned me on!
BTW, AC is a bonified music genre. It has it's own Billboard chart and radio format. My definition of AC runs about the same as Billboard's does...rock lite. The fact that I don't like much of it is just a coincidence.
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| November 8th, 2005 06:26 PM |
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| Soldatti |
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Sir Stonesalot wrote:
BTW, AC is a bonified music genre. It has it's own Billboard chart and radio format. My definition of AC runs about the same as Billboard's does...rock lite. The fact that I don't like much of it is just a coincidence.
The Stones are FAR away of AC, only 3 songs made this chart during 40 years: As Tears Go By (#10), Angie (#38) and Out Of Tears (#31).
Macca is a king there, Eric Clapton too, but not the Stones.
They are a Mainstream Rock act according to Billboard and the radio. |
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