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| beardedhag |
I was reading in According to the Rolling Stones that Mick is not a big fan of Exile on Main Street and said he would have mixed the album differently if he had to do it over. I wonder if this has to do with Exile being more of Keith's album and the difficulties between Bianca and Anita Pallenberg. It's surprising how sometimes artists can't see the genius in their own work. Exile will always be one of my favs. |
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| VoodooChileInWOnderl |
Mick was the only Stones member in the final mixing of Exile on Main Street in Los Angeles |
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| throbby |
Funny how Mick is unhappy with the mix on Exile. |
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| glencar |
He said the same thing years ago in that RS interview with Jann Wenner. |
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| steel driving hammer |
Stupid question but what songs did Stu play the boogie piano on Exile? |
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| beardedhag |
According to the liner notes, Stu plays on Shake Your Hips, Sweet Virginia, and Stop Breaking Down. What's interesting is how many tracks Keith and Mick Taylor played bass on. Keith plays bass on Casino Boogie, Happy, and Soul Survivor while Taylor plays bass on Tumbling Dice, Torn and Frayed, I Just Want To See His Face, and Shine A Light. Where was Bill? |
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| beer |
Taylors bass playing on Tumblin Dice is sooooooo good. that's one of my favorite things about that track. |
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| sammy davis jr. |
Mick didn't like the way Exile was produced. I think he's much too worried about production in the last few Stones records, but the songs aren't there. What makes Exile great are the songs. |
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| beardedhag |
I agree, sammy davis jr. The great thing about Exile is its raw and loose feel. (plus the top-notch song writing) I think the mix actually works really well when you listen to it on headphones. |
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| jb |
He claims that only a few of the songs are playable in concert (TD, ADTL, Happy, ) . |
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| T&A |
I imagine what he doesn't like is that his vocals are often buried in the mix! And, to great effect, I might add... |
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| telecaster |
Mick reminds me of a buddy of mine who got a hole in one
and actually told me he really didn't hit the shot properly
Shut the fuck up and enjoy the results |
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| jb |
Good point Tele...I think Mick purposely down plays Exile b/c it would nean his best works behind them.... |
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| steel driving hammer |
quote:
Ten Thousand Motels wrote:
Mick should know by now (and I'm sure he does) that the really Great stuff happens by "accident."
Just like when Keith discovered penicillin.
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| Riffhard |
My take on Mick's thought's on Exile are pretty simple. Mick is,and never has,liked to look back. To admit that Exile was the Stones grand masterpeice would mean by suggestion that their best days were in the rearview mirror. As jb rightly pointed out.
I mean he obviously lives in the realm of Peter Pan. Mick is still trying desperatly to compete with contemporary artists of today. What a joke it is. Hello,Justin Timberlake,The Dust Brothers,Biz Markie! Mick has been doing that shit for years now. State of Shock anyone?!
He can't live with his legacy,because he feels that by doing so he would have to admit that the Stone's music is not as relevant on todays music scene as it was as recently as 1981.
He even tried to take a page out of Santana's playbook. Everyone and their brother played on GITDW. It obviously failed miserably. I'm glad that Mick and the Stones haven't decided to go down the lounge act paths of Clapton and Rod Stewart but,I wish that he could be a little more comfortable in his own skin. Like Keith is.
The concerts stiil rock but,the new live material needs more atention to the songs and much less to do with the keeping up with the jones patterns we've seen lately. With the exception of a few good songs most of the material post-Voodoo is just filler crap. I find it hard to beleive that the same guy that penned the lyrics to so many great songs has finally reached the bottom of the well. Lokk at Dylan his last two albums are some of his best in literally decades.
Mick and Keith could write more top notch Stones tunes but,Mick seems more concerned with downplaying his legacy as opposed to living up to it.
My two cents.
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| jb |
Great post Riffhard...and by the way, ate at Too-jays last night and one jay bought the other out...Had the hot open faced turkey platter and it was great...on the other hand, my family were the only ones under 70 in the place and I'm being serious. |
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| T&A |
yeah, JB - but you and your fam are the only ones under 70 in all of Boca, no? Seriously, my ex-college roommate and his fam live there now...I plan on visiting next summer.
Riffhard - yes, great post. The Dylan albums definitely gave hope that the Stones,too, may have at least one more masterpiece left in them. But, hope seems to be fading (not a dry eye, etc.)... |
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| Fiji Joe |
Well if we listen to some of Mick's most recent stuff it's safe to say he hwould have mixed it differently...I'm guessing if Mick had his way, Exile would sound a lot more like "Let's Dance" by David Bowie |
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| Riffhard |
LOL Josh!
That you were the only person under 70 at Two Jays comes as no suprize at all! In fact it jibes with my memories of the place perfectly!
Riffhard |
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| Joey |
" I agree, sammy davis jr. The great thing about Exile is its raw and loose feel. (plus the top-notch song writing) I think the mix actually works really well when you listen to it on headphones. "
It is my sincere belief that I will be drinking wine AGAIN tonight for dinner ..........................Thinking of trying that new Kendall Jackson Collage " Merlot / Cabernet " .....I don't know if those two were meant to be mixed together , but I ain't gonna let it worry me tonight !
GO CHIEFS !!!!!
" Slam me Up against the wall HARD Ronnie "
Jercee !
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| beardedhag |
I can't see why Mick thinks that Exile is short of good songs to play live. There isn't really any complex orchestration. Most of the tracks are good old rockers in open G. They seemed to do just fine with the material on the 72 tour. |
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| corgi37 |
If i recall the RS i/v correctly, Mick's main gripe with Exile (apart from the mix) was the lack of a hit single. TD was not a smash hit. Nor was Happy. I have also read/seen on i/v, that he doesnt have many fond memories of the recording process. Must have been the squables with the squaws. I wonder if he felt a bit left out. Am i right in that he didnt stay at Keiths, but rented a joint? I agree totally with Riffhards post. Very spot on. I am not so much a Mick Jagger fan, as i am a Rolling Stones fan. I liken it to supporting your footy team. When you have the star full-forward (this is Aussie Rules of course), you love him so much. But, when he pisses off to another club..You hate him for his treachery, and you just cant stand him in another jumper. I have Jaggers 1st 3 solo albums. Progressively, they get worse. So much so, that i never intended to buy Goddess. And dont forget... If Goddess sold 5 million copies, i doubt very much if there would have been a year long celebration of the Stones. |
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| beardedhag |
Mick wasn't staying with Keith at Nellcote during the recording of Exile. He was shuffling back and forth between Paris and the south of France. I've read in a few places that Bianca and Anita Pallenberg didn't get on at all which led to a lot of friction. |
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| Flashpoint |
I always had this doubt...why Exile didn't have not just one hit single but maybe two or three considering the quantity and quality of the songs?...and i agree that TD is not a Super Hit like Satisfaction and Start Me Up,i think that Rocks Off is better than TD. |
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| Doxa |
I remember Jagger saying that there is not so many good songs in Exile as in the previous ones but that the band plays in it very well.
I think he is right; what makes Exile awesome is not some extraordinary particular songs but that over-all loose feeling. I mean they are not any caliber of "Brown Sugar" or "Wild Horses" or "Gimme Shelter" or "You Can't Always Get What You Want".. just fourteen different, avarage songs but played by unique feel and touch.. and you need to play the whole album from start to finish over and over again to get picture of greatness of this album.
What goes to the idea of Jagger as a mixer or producer, I think Goddess showed that he has totally lost it. It's so over-produced that we need go back to deep 80's to find something as ridiculous.. It a shame, there are some quite nice songs in it.
But still, I think that one of the secrets of the long, vital and convincing - always on the top - career of the Stones is that Mick is not willing to grow up gracely and settle down by starting totally to live with his legacy... He is "the mover" like Charlie says, he takes the band into directions, while - "the catalyst" - Keef keeps it down to earth, the roots in the mind. A miss or a hit but Mick keeps shooting and movin' on. Maybe when Mick Jagger decides to let his Peter Pan go, it's the end of the story.
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| jb |
In reading this book, it became painfully obvious that Mick and Keith no longer actively work together in creating a new album. They each bring in their own material and very little collaboration is done...I believe Ronnie or Charlie even say they wish the two of them could go into a studio together for weeks or months like they use to and create the type of album as in the past. Regrettably, because of the underlying animosity b/t them, this is no longer possible.. |
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| Joey |
" Regrettably, because of the underlying animosity b/t them, this is no longer possible.. "
Word G !
It is not like THE WHO where the " Petey " does ALL of the writing . Then again , if Pete and Rog. can come together once again , Mick and Keith CERTAINLY can ...............
" Hit Me HARD Ronnie "
J. Kins Fly !
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| Miss U. |
Maybe you should take your own advice, Tele. |
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| Boomy |
This anti-nostalgia think is such a fucking joke.
Why do they keep saying they are anti-nostalgic when they aren't? I don't care if they are, but when they try to put something down because it's from the past (where most off all of the songs on this tour are from - the past) it's like they think people are stupid.
Keith's "Best STones yet" quote is like a marketing slogan..but people aren't buying it (but they are buying tickets to shows). |
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| Jaxx |
i'm surprised to read that jagger quote about exile. imo, it only gets better with age and stands the test of time. i appreciate it now, more than i did when it was first released. lots of blues and good ole rock and roll. exile on mainstreet revisited is even better. i love the rough version of shine a light (may the good lord, flash a light on you). jagger does a great imitation of janis joplin. or "good time women"--the preclude to tumblin' dice. same tune, different lyrics. you gotta love it |
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