| November 1st, 2005 10:21 AM |
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| Jumping Jack |
If financial conservatives like Jagger and Cohl were running the country there would be no deficits and no free loaders!!! Illegals would have to buy a $100 ticket at the border before entering and terrorists would be wanded for weapons and recording devices. Everyone would pay their fair share and Michael Moore would sure as hell be squealling like the fat pig that he is because even those who feel entitled would have to pay like everyone else!!! |
| November 1st, 2005 11:03 AM |
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| Joey |
quote:
FPM C10 wrote:
I'll bet 80 trillion dollars against it.
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Current Amount
10/28/2005 $8,030,056,674,506.24
Current
Month
10/27/2005 $8,026,029,628,861.82
10/26/2005 $8,011,132,810,125.37
10/25/2005 $8,013,731,899,256.73
10/24/2005 $8,010,059,396,713.96
10/21/2005 $8,009,131,433,464.30
10/20/2005 $8,009,635,518,716.50
10/19/2005 $7,999,843,352,310.27
10/18/2005 $8,003,897,406,911.24
10/17/2005 $7,996,657,967,899.21
10/14/2005 $7,986,677,006,850.36
10/13/2005 $7,995,462,387,011.49
10/12/2005 $7,990,630,428,327.25
10/11/2005 $7,991,115,238,572.24
10/07/2005 $7,990,643,231,175.94
10/06/2005 $7,994,281,575,146.32
10/05/2005 $7,978,989,702,813.02
10/04/2005 $7,978,002,527,274.56
10/03/2005 $7,970,524,003,272.50
Prior
Months
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
08/31/2005 $7,926,933,374,544.81
07/29/2005 $7,887,617,581,195.58
06/30/2005 $7,836,495,788,085.86
05/31/2005 $7,777,880,152,594.89
04/29/2005 $7,764,537,337,364.14
03/31/2005 $7,776,939,047,670.14
02/28/2005 $7,713,137,673,664.71
01/31/2005 $7,627,742,597,775.41
12/31/2004 $7,596,165,867,424.14
11/30/2004 $7,525,209,508,979.45
10/29/2004 $7,429,677,448,545.04
Prior Fiscal
Years
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/29/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
SOURCE: BUREAU OF THE PUBLIC DEBT
Looking for more historical information? Visit the Debt
Historical Information archives.
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm
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Joey " Milhouse " Bushie43 |
| November 1st, 2005 11:23 AM |
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| PartyDoll MEG |
quote:
Starbuck wrote:
wow!
what a thread!
Gotta say "excellent post." (I usually stay away from these dialogs, as I am not a Political Animal)
I really hope I get to meet you at the NYC Summit. I promise not to speak politics, after all it's about the Stones, Baby. |
| November 1st, 2005 11:38 AM |
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| glencar |
LOL Starbuck made a good post in that he didn't insult people personally. But let's not forget that Clinton's accomplishment of a balanced budget was only done through the machinations of the GOP takeover post-1994. And today's economy is still unstoppable. We had a brief recession at the end of the Clinton regime & now we're going great guns. |
| November 1st, 2005 05:13 PM |
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| Starbuck |
glenny!
if we are out of the recession, why is my retirement account in negative numbers?!?! |
| November 1st, 2005 07:30 PM |
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| monkey_man |
quote:
glencar wrote:
And today's economy is still unstoppable. We had a brief recession at the end of the Clinton regime & now we're going great guns.
Glencar, the number of people living below the poverty line has increased, job creation has been sluggish at best and the stock market for all intents and purposes has been trading sideways for 4 years (with strong bumps both down and up). How is the economy going great guns? Unless you have been in the real estate, mortgage/finance industries or are a CEO, you are doing mediocre. Without the artifically low interest rates of the past few years, you can count out the real estate, mortgage and finance industries. |
| November 1st, 2005 07:30 PM |
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| monkey_man |
quote:
glencar wrote:
And today's economy is still unstoppable. We had a brief recession at the end of the Clinton regime & now we're going great guns.
Glencar, the number of people living below the poverty line has increased, job creation has been sluggish at best and the stock market for all intents and purposes has been trading sideways for 4 years (with strong bumps both down and up). How is the economy going great guns? Unless you have been in the real estate, mortgage/finance industries or are a CEO, you are doing mediocre. Without the artifically low interest rates of the past few years, you can count out the real estate, mortgage and finance industries. |
| November 1st, 2005 09:24 PM |
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| glencar |
And if the Queen had balls, she'd be a King. If if if... |
| November 1st, 2005 10:14 PM |
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| Starbuck |
speaking of queens with balls....
glenny, how was wilco? of course they must have blown away los loney boys, but that ain't saying much! |
| November 1st, 2005 10:29 PM |
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
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| November 1st, 2005 10:35 PM |
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| keithriffhard |
at least we don't have that bastard on here who was putting like 12 posts a night about the lamest shit. |
| November 1st, 2005 10:44 PM |
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| Riffhard |
Hey Blue the only thing that you need to know is that Bush lied and people died!Get it through your head will ya!
Bush lied,huh? So does that mean that these people lied too? Just wundrin. Read it and come up with more excuses fellas!!!
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"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002
"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002
"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002
"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002
"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002
"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002
"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002
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I guess this Bush guy is in good company huh?
Yeah Riffy but these people were acting on Bush's lies! Is that the argument of the day libs? Because that is bullshit! It was your boy Bubba who wrote The Iraqi Liberation Act in 1998. That act states that the USA must disarm and remove Saddam from power. I guess Clinton lied too,huh?!
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| November 1st, 2005 10:52 PM |
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| glencar |
LOL Riffy, the harder they try, the more they stumble. The Dem Sens went a lil crazee today & ended up looking like buffoons. I don't think many of us are happy with what's going on in Iraq (slow pace of turning things over) but geez, carping about its origins at this point is wrong. They too voted to support it & yet they can't admit it. |
| November 1st, 2005 10:53 PM |
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| Riffhard |
quote:
keithriffhard wrote:
at least we don't have that bastard on here who was putting like 12 posts a night about the lamest shit.
Uhhh,who exactly are you talking about big guy? Alot of people have been participating in this thread.
Certainly you're not refering to me?
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| November 1st, 2005 11:05 PM |
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| Riffhard |
quote:
glencar wrote:
LOL Riffy, the harder they try, the more they stumble. The Dem Sens went a lil crazee today & ended up looking like buffoons. I don't think many of us are happy with what's going on in Iraq (slow pace of turning things over) but geez, carping about its origins at this point is wrong. They too voted to support it & yet they can't admit it.
I hear ya Blue. It is funny that these same dems have been bitching about Iraq and Saddam for years. I mean they were acting in good faith I guess. Whereas Bush LIED!!!
Pathetic! Those quotes are from 2001-2003. However,these same exact people were talking this way from 1998-2000 as well! So why are they trying to claim that Bush lied?! What the fuck were they doing then?!?
Why? Because he's in office that's why!
Their logic,or lack thereof,baffles me!
Riffy |
| November 1st, 2005 11:06 PM |
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
The democrats, over the last 50 years, have done more for the working man in the USA than the Republicans ever will. |
| November 1st, 2005 11:16 PM |
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| Riffhard |
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Ten Thousand Motels wrote:
The democrats, over the last 50 years, have done more for the working man in the USA than the Republicans ever will.
Like write and pass into law every civil rights law on the books? Oh,oops,I'm sorry that was the Republicans. My bad!
Whatever you say Motsy!
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| November 2nd, 2005 10:51 AM |
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| Starbuck |
riffy!
you simply must clue me in to why this war was necessary.
i must have missed the memo!
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| November 2nd, 2005 12:19 PM |
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| glencar |
People, people, all this stuff pales in comparison to the FACT that Keith finally changed one of his songs last night! He did "Slipping Away" instead of "The Worst." |
| November 2nd, 2005 12:29 PM |
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| Joey |
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glencar wrote:
People, people, all this stuff pales in comparison to the FACT that Keith finally changed one of his songs last night! He did "Slipping Away" instead of "The Worst."
You make Joey smile |
| November 2nd, 2005 12:31 PM |
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| glencar |
I wish you all peace. |
| November 2nd, 2005 12:48 PM |
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| Jumping Jack |
This sums things up pretty well IMHO.
Rule can head off dirty tricks at CIA
By ZELL MILLER
Published on: 11/02/05
It's like a spy thriller. Institutional rivalries and political loyalties have fostered an intelligence officer's resentment against the government. Suddenly, an opportunity appears for the agent to undercut the national leadership. A vital question of intelligence forms the core justification for controversial military actions by the current leaders. If this agent can get in the middle of that question, distort that information and make it public, the agent might foster regime change in the upcoming election.
But the rules on agents are clear. They can't purposely distort gathered intelligence, go public with secret information or use their position or information to manipulate domestic elections or matters without risking their job or jail.
But their spouse can!
The agent realizes her spouse can go out on behalf of the spy agency, can distort information, go public with classified information and use all this spy-agency-sponsored material and credentials to try to pull down the current government, and it is all perfectly legal.
Suppose the spouse adds just one more brilliant, well-aimed lie: claim your foremost political opponent put the spouse up to the trip. As your spouse uses your agency's name to mount attacks, your enemy may fall into your trap. Will your enemy suffer your spouse's lies or take the bait and try to clarify his non-role? If he tells the press he didn't hire your spouse, the press will demand to know, "Then who did?"
Instead of you violating secrecy laws, it is your victim who is guilty because he tried to set the record straight. Heads, you win; tails, he loses.
It sounds unbelievable, a fiction, perhaps to be called "To Sting a King." But it is no fiction. This is the story behind Valerie Plame, Joe Wilson and the Bush administration. And it appears that Plame and Wilson will get away with the biggest sting operation ever.
No one seems to care that our intelligence agency has crippled our president. Certainly not the media. They are determined to make Wilson a hero. Recall the dozens of times the Washington Post and The New York Times carried his lies on the front page, above the fold. The conclusive story discrediting Wilson was buried 6 feet deep, back by the obituaries.
To the media, it doesn't matter that the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence says Wilson lied about what he did and with whom he met while investigating Iraqi attempts to purchase "yellowcake" uranium.
To the media, it doesn't matter that the CIA says what Wilson did actually find supported that Iraq was attempting to buy the uranium — a direct contradiction to Wilson's public claims.
To the media, it doesn't matter that he claimed the vice president assigned him to the uranium investigation when we all know now it was his wife.
Some absurdly claim that Plame had nothing to do with her husband's political activities against President Bush. But let it be clear. Plame could not have done what Wilson did and gotten away with it. Wilson could not have done what he did without Plame giving him a way to do it.
Something has to be done. We can't let the CIA become the domestic dirty tricks shop, with Republican and Democratic agents each trying to pull down their opposing presidents.
We need a Plame rule. Any family member of a CIA agent tapped to help out must live by the same rules regarding information disclosure and domestic political manipulations as those imposed on the agent. If the family member fails to live by those rules, the agent is terminated.
Clearly this will restrict the flexibility of the CIA. But who ever thought that the flexibility given to CIA agents would be misused to destabilize a U.S. president? No one — until Valerie Plame.
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| November 2nd, 2005 12:48 PM |
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| PartyDoll MEG |
quote:
glencar wrote:
I wish you all peace.
Amen Brother!! Bless you Keef!!!
And Riffy- You definitely are a Passionate Man!!! |
| November 2nd, 2005 12:58 PM |
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| monkey_man |
quote:
glencar wrote:
People, people, all this stuff pales in comparison to the FACT that Keith finally changed one of his songs last night! He did "Slipping Away" instead of "The Worst."
You're right thanks for the perspective! |
| November 2nd, 2005 02:51 PM |
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http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42166 |
| November 3rd, 2005 07:04 AM |
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| Dick Bush |
http://members.cox.net/stonez-fan/mad-tv.wmv
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