| October 22nd, 2004 11:57 AM |
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| star star |
has anyone any idea what "Monkey Man" is about? Great lyric, but confusing! Fantastic lead, rhythm and slide hooks from Keef and monster drumming from Charlie though!! |
| October 22nd, 2004 12:20 PM |
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| glencar |
It's an homage to Jacques Derrida. |
| October 22nd, 2004 12:59 PM |
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| 56DeSoto |
It's a sensitive discourse on anthropology. |
| October 22nd, 2004 01:01 PM |
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| kmc |
that's some leap to connect MONKEY MAN to JD. unless it's just the wordplay. will have fun trying.
if anyone cares about jacques derrida - from ny times obit:
Jacques Derrida, Abstruse Theorist, Dies at 74
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> October 10, 2004
> By JONATHAN KANDELL
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> Jacques Derrida, the Algerian-born, French intellectual who
> became one of the most celebrated and notoriously difficult
> philosophers of the late 20th century, died Friday at a
> Paris hospital, the French president's office announced. He
> was 74.
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> The cause of death was pancreatic cancer, according to
> French television, The Associated Press reported.
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> Mr. Derrida was known as the father of deconstruction, the
> method of inquiry that asserted that all writing was full
> of confusion and contradiction, and that the author's
> intent could not overcome the inherent contradictions of
> language itself, robbing texts - whether literature,
> history or philosophy - of truthfulness, absolute meaning
> and permanence. The concept was eventually applied to the
> whole gamut of arts and social sciences, including
> linguistics, anthropology, political science, even
> architecture.
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> While he had a huge following - larger in the United States
> than in Europe - he was the target of as much anger as
> admiration. For many Americans, in particular, he was the
> personification of a French school of thinking they felt
> was undermining many of the traditional standards of
> classical education, and one they often associated with
> divisive political causes.
>
> Literary critics broke texts into isolated passages and
> phrases to find hidden meanings. Advocates of feminism, gay
> rights, and third-world causes embraced the method as an
> instrument to reveal the prejudices and inconsistencies of
> Plato, Aristotle, Shakespeare, Freud and other "dead white
> male" icons of Western culture. Architects and designers
> could claim to take a "deconstructionist" approach to
> buildings by abandoning traditional symmetry and creating
> zigzaggy, sometimes disquieting spaces. The filmmaker Woody
> Allen titled one of his movies "Deconstructing Harry," to
> suggest that his protagonist could best be understood by
> breaking down and analyzing his neurotic contradictions.
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> A Code Word for Discourse
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> Toward the end of the 20th
> century, deconstruction became a code word of intellectual
> discourse, much as existentialism and structuralism - two
> other fashionable, slippery philosophies that also emerged
> from France after World War II - had been before it. Mr.
> Derrida and his followers were unwilling - some say unable
> - to define deconstruction with any precision, so it has
> remained misunderstood, or interpreted in endlessly
> contradictory ways.
>
> Typical of Mr. Derrida's murky explanations of his
> philosophy was a 1993 paper he presented at the Benjamin N.
> Cardozo School of Law, in New York, which began: "Needless
> to say, one more time, deconstruction, if there is such a
> thing, takes place as the experience of the impossible."
>
> Mr. Derrida was a prolific writer, but his 40-plus books on
> various aspects of deconstruction were no more easily
> accessible. Even some of their titles - "Of Grammatology,"
> "The Postcard: From Socrates to Freud and Beyond," and
> "Ulysses Gramophone: Hear Say Yes in Joyce" - could be
> off-putting to the uninitiated.
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> "Many otherwise unmalicious people have in fact been guilty
> of wishing for deconstruction's demise - if only to relieve
> themselves of the burden of trying to understand it,"
> Mitchell Stephens, a journalism professor at New York
> University, wrote in a 1994 article in The New York Times
> Magazine.
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> Mr. Derrida's credibility was also damaged by a 1987
> scandal involving Paul de Man, a Yale University professor
> who was the most acclaimed exponent of deconstruction in
> the United States. Four years after Mr. de Man's death, it
> was revealed that he had contributed numerous pro-Nazi,
> anti-Semitic articles to a newspaper in Belgium, where he
> was born, while it was under German occupation during World
> War II. In defending his dead colleague, Mr. Derrida, a
> Jew, was understood by some people to be condoning Mr. de
> Man's anti-Semitism.
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> A Devoted Following
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> Nonetheless, during the 1970's and 1980's, Mr. Derrida's
> writings and lectures gained him a huge following in major
> American universities - in the end, he proved far more
> influential in the United States than in France. For young,
> ambitious professors, his teachings became a springboard to
> tenure in faculties dominated by senior colleagues and
> older, shopworn philosophies. For many students,
> deconstruction was a rite of passage into the world of
> rebellious intellect.
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> Jacques Derrida was born on July 15, 1930, in El-Biar,
> Algeria. His father was a salesman. At age 12, he was
> expelled from his French school when the rector, adhering
> to the Vichy government's racial laws, ordered a drastic
> cut in Jewish enrollment. Even as a teenager, Mr. Derrida
> (the name is pronounced day-ree-DAH) was a voracious reader
> whose eclectic interests embraced the philosophers
> Jean-Jacques Rousseau and Friedrich Nietzsche, Albert
> Camus, and the poet Paul Valéry.
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> But he could be an indifferent student. He failed his
> baccalaureate in his first attempt. He twice failed his
> entrance exam to the École Normal Supérieure, the
> traditional cradle of French intellectuals, where he was
> finally admitted in 1952. There he failed the oral portion
> of his final exams on his first attempt. After graduation
> in 1956, he studied briefly at Harvard University. For most
> of the next 30 years, he taught philosophy and logic at
> both the University of Paris and the École Normal
> Supérieure. Yet he did not defend his doctoral dissertation
> until 1980, when he was 50 years old.
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> By the early 1960's, Mr. Derrida had made a name for
> himself as a rising young intellectual in Paris by
> publishing articles on language and philosophy in leading
> academic journals. He was especially influenced by the
> German philosophers, Edmund Husserl and Martin Heidegger.
> Both were strong critics of traditional metaphysics, a
> branch of philosophy which explored the basis and
> perception of reality.
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> As a lecturer, Mr. Derrida cultivated charisma and mystery.
> For many years, he declined to be photographed for
> publication. He cut a dashing, handsome figure at the
> lectern, with his thick thatch of prematurely white hair,
> tanned complexion, and well-tailored suits. He peppered his
> lectures with puns, rhymes and enigmatic pronouncements,
> like, "Thinking is what we already know that we have not
> yet begun," or, "Oh my friends, there is no friend..."
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> Many readers found his prose turgid and baffling, even as
> aficionados found it illuminating. A single sentence could
> run for three pages, and a footnote even longer. Sometimes
> his books were written in "deconstructed" style. For
> example, "Glas" (1974) offers commentaries on the German
> philosopher Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel and the French
> novelist Jean Genet in parallel columns of the book's
> pages; in between, there is an occasional third column of
> commentary about the two men's ideas.
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> "The trouble with reading Mr. Derrida is that there is too
> much perspiration for too little inspiration,"
> editorialized The Economist in 1992, when Cambridge
> University awarded the philosopher an honorary degree after
> a bruising argument among his supporters and critics on the
> faculty. Elsewhere in Europe, Mr. Derrida's deconstruction
> philosophy gained earlier and easier acceptance.
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> Shaking Up a Discipline
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> Mr. Derrida appeared on the
> American intellectual landscape at a 1966 conference on the
> French intellectual movement known as structuralism at
> Johns Hopkins University, in Baltimore. Its high priest was
> French anthropologist Claude Lévi-Strauss, who studied
> societies through their linguistic structure.
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> Mr. Derrida shocked his American audience by announcing
> that structuralism was already passé in France, and that
> Mr. Lévi-Strauss's ideas were too rigid. Instead, Mr.
> Derrida offered deconstruction as the new, triumphant
> philosophy.
>
> His presentation fired up young professors who were in
> search of a new intellectual movement to call their own. In
> a Los Angeles Times Magazine article in 1991, Mr. Stephens,
> the journalism professor, wrote: "He gave literature
> professors a special gift: a chance to confront - not as
> mere second-rate philosophers, not as mere interpreters of
> novelists, but as full-fledged explorers in their own right
> - the most profound paradoxes of Western thought."
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> "If they really read, if they stared intently enough at the
> metaphors," he went on, "literature professors, from the
> comfort of their own easy chairs, could reveal the
> hollowness of the basic assumptions that lie behind all our
> writings."
>
> Other critics found it disturbing that obscure academics
> could presume to denigrate a Sophocles, Voltaire or Tolstoy
> by seeking out cultural biases and inexact language in
> their masterpieces. "Literature, the deconstructionists
> frequently proved, had been written by entirely the wrong
> people for entirely the wrong reasons," wrote Malcolm
> Bradbury, a British novelist and professor, in a 1991
> article for The New York Times Book Review.
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> Mr. Derrida's influence was especially strong in the Yale
> University literature department, where one of his close
> friends, a Belgian-born professor, Paul de Man, emerged as
> a leading champion of deconstruction in literary analysis.
> Mr. de Man had claimed to be a refugee from war-torn
> Europe, and even left the impression among colleagues that
> he had joined the Belgian resistance.
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> But in 1987, four years after Mr. de Man's death, research
> revealed that he had written over 170 articles in the early
> 1940's for Le Soir, a Nazi newspaper in Belgium. Some of
> these articles were openly anti-Semitic, including one that
> echoed Nazi calls for "a final solution" and seemed to
> defend the notion of concentration camps.
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> "A solution to the Jewish problem that aimed at the
> creation of a Jewish colony isolated from Europe would
> entail no deplorable consequences for the literary life of
> the West," wrote Mr. de Man.
>
> The revelations became a major scandal at Yale and other
> campuses where the late Mr. de Man had been lionized as an
> intellectual hero. Some former colleagues asserted that the
> scandal was being used to discredit deconstruction by
> people who were always hostile to the movement. But Mr.
> Derrida gave fodder to critics by defending Mr. de Man, and
> even using literary deconstruction techniques in an attempt
> to demonstrate that the Belgian scholar's newspaper
> articles were not really anti-Semitic.
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> "Borrowing Derrida's logic one could deconstruct Mein Kampf
> to reveal that [Adolf Hitler] was in conflict with
> anti-Semitism," scoffed Peter Lennon, in a 1992 article for
> The Guardian. According to another critic, Mark Lilla, in a
> 1998 article in The New York Review of Books, Mr. Derrida's
> contortionist defense of his old friend left "the
> impression that deconstruction means you never have to say
> you're sorry."
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> Almost as devastating for deconstruction and Mr. Derrida
> was the revelation, also in 1987, that Heidegger, one of
> his intellectual muses, was a dues-paying member of the
> Nazi Party from 1933 to 1945. Once again, Mr. Derrida was
> accused by critics of being irresolute, this time for
> failing to condemn Heidegger's fascist ideas.
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> By the late 1980's, Mr. Derrida's intellectual star was on
> the wane on both sides of the Atlantic. But he continued to
> commute between France and the United States, where he was
> paid hefty fees to lecture a few weeks every year at
> several East Coast universities and the University of
> California at Irvine.
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> Lifting a Mysterious Aura
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> In his early years of intellectual fame, Mr. Derrida was
> criticized by European leftists for a lack of political
> commitment - indeed, for espousing a philosophy that
> attacked the very concept of absolute political
> certainties. But in the 1980's, he became active in a
> number of political causes, opposing apartheid, defending
> Czech dissidents and supporting the rights of North African
> immigrants in France.
>
> Mr. Derrida also became far more accessible to the media.
> He sat still for photos and gave interviews that stripped
> away his formerly mysterious aura to reveal the mundane
> details of his personal life.
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> A former Yale student, Amy Ziering Kofman, focused on him
> in a 2002 documentary, "Derrida," that some reviewers found
> charming. "With his unruly white hair and hawklike face,
> Derrida is a compelling presence even when he is merely
> pondering a question," wrote Kenneth Turan in The Los
> Angeles Times. "Even his off-the-cuff comments are
> intriguing, because everything gets serious consideration.
> And when he is wary, he's never difficult for its own sake
> but because his philosophical positions make him that way."
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>
> Rather than hang around the Left Bank cafés traditionally
> inhabited by French intellectuals, Mr. Derrida preferred
> the quiet of Ris-Orangis, a suburb south of Paris, where he
> lived in a small house with his wife, Marguerite
> Aucouturier, a psychoanalyst. The couple had two sons,
> Pierre and Jean. He also had a son, Daniel, with Sylviane
> Agacinski, a philosophy teacher who later married the
> French political leader Lionel Jospin.
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> As a young man, Mr. Derrida confessed, he hoped to become a
> professional soccer player. And he admitted to being an
> inveterate viewer of television, watching everything from
> news to soap operas. "I am critical of what I'm watching,"
> said Mr. Derrida with mock pride. "I deconstruct all the
> time."
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> Late in his career, Mr. Derrida was asked, as he had been
> so often, what deconstruction was. "Why don't you ask a
> physicist or a mathematician about difficulty?" he replied,
> frostily, to Dinitia Smith, a Times reporter, in a 1998.
> "Deconstruction requires work. If deconstruction is so
> obscure, why are the audiences in my lectures in the
> thousands? They feel they understand enough to understand
> more."
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> Asked later in the same interview to at least define
> deconstruction, Mr. Derrida said: "It is impossible to
> respond. I can only do something which will leave me
> unsatisfied."
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| October 22nd, 2004 01:14 PM |
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| glencar |
It was a joke. |
| October 22nd, 2004 01:18 PM |
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| Nellcote |
Hey KMC, that's some mean copy & paste you got going on there. I've got to master that at some point, especially those quality indenture marks on the left side of my page.
Move your head up & down while looking at those, takes me back to the early 70's, listening to "Hey Joe", dude. Thanks! |
| October 22nd, 2004 01:55 PM |
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| kmc |
give me the duh award. somebody had actually sent me that obit just recently and i couldn't remember why. (still don't.) so being a stones fan i made that fantastic leap when i read the name jacques derrida. crash and burn big time.
as for my cutting and pasting, that's a whole other story.
geez, this board is vicious! |
| October 22nd, 2004 02:08 PM |
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| Bloozehound |
I am a big fan of the indenture marks, they give the article a sudden sense of urgancy that yells, "Here I am! I must be read!" |
| October 22nd, 2004 02:22 PM |
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| Nellcote |
Vicious? No, a leopard at five feet is vicious.
The attempt at reliving a flashback moment from my youth?
BRING IT ON!
Oh, what a beautiful buzz.... |
| October 22nd, 2004 02:28 PM |
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| kmc |
now i was joking!
any stones news is good news from someone who grew up hanging on the few stones crumbs published in RAVE, 16 and TIGERBEAT. |
| October 22nd, 2004 03:37 PM |
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| Soldatti |
quote:
star star wrote:
has anyone any idea what "Monkey Man" is about?
It's very sarcastic, it's the only that I can say. |
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