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Topic: Pirates of the Carribean - Keith! Return to archive
10-23-03 05:22 AM
hmps I guess some of you guys have seen the movie.
Johnny Depp plays a pirate called (captain) Jack Sparrow.

The thing is.. Jack Sparrow talks exactly the way our champ Keef talks. It's so hillarious.

It's a good movie. Adventure - Action - Drama - Comedy typ of thing. I'd rate it 4 out of 5.

It's definitly worth seeing just for the keef talk. SERIOUSLY, it's amazing.

(when I saw the movie I thought johnny depp played two parts in it (!). but it turned out the other guy was Orlando Bloom (?))

"Aaaaaaaaaaargh!"
10-23-03 05:28 AM
UGot2Rollme here's Keef's comment on Depp, taken from interview in Amsterdam:

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I wonder whether anyone has told Richards that Johnny Depp�s characterisation in Pirates of the Caribbean is based on him?

"We met about five or six years ago and started swapping clothes. This is Johnny�s shirt, by the way. He has an incredible guitar collection. We have dinner sometimes and get together: his kids and my kids.

"He�s a good guy. I like him a lot. But I had no idea he was studying me. Everybody that�s seen it is, like, �God, it�s you.� " Another rumbling guffaw. "This is the only time I�ve been accepted by Disney!"
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10-23-03 06:33 AM
magicwoman yeah ive seen the movie 4 times!!!!!!!!its a great move johnny is handsome goodlooking in that movie next week is the 5th time ill zee the movie
10-23-03 07:55 AM
FotiniD I've seen the movie twice too Johnny Depp said he drew inspiration from Keith for the pirate character, saying pirates were the rock stars of their time, so what better rock star to pick than our Keith I love Johnny Depp

Of course, it's hard to pass that to people who don't know of the story and go on commenting after the movie: "Why was he moving like a woman / like he was drunk / like he was crazy?". I don't see the woman similarity at all, in fact such comments make me want to carry a banner with me at the cinema writing "he's making a Keith Richards impersonation you ignorant morons!", but I resist Lately i've started talking about it loudly with my friends, like "how did you like the WAY HE WAS WALKING AND TALKING LIKE KEITH RICHARDS guys?"
10-23-03 09:16 AM
Jumping Jack He played a gay Keef.
10-23-03 09:22 AM
magicwoman
10-23-03 09:32 AM
luxury1 Yes--I read something from Johnny where he was saying the producers thought he was too fey, and didnt get his affectation at all, and were worried he was going over the top with it. Johnny told them to trust him, he knew what he was doing, and just went with it.
10-23-03 10:42 AM
hmps "here's Keef's comment on Depp, taken from interview in Amsterdam:

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I wonder whether anyone has told Richards that Johnny Depp�s characterisation in Pirates of the Caribbean is based on him?

"We met about five or six years ago and started swapping clothes. This is Johnny�s shirt, by the way. He has an incredible guitar collection. We have dinner sometimes and get together: his kids and my kids.

"He�s a good guy. I like him a lot. But I had no idea he was studying me. Everybody that�s seen it is, like, �God, it�s you.� " Another rumbling guffaw. "This is the only time I�ve been accepted by Disney!"

Rocks off babe!

nice.. where did you find that?
10-23-03 11:13 AM
UGot2Rollme here's the whole article (it was posted here before, I think):

Taken from The Scotsman-August 28, 2003

It's only rock 'n' roll, but I like it
Charles Shaar Murray


After all," Keith Richards announces through a haze of cigarette smoke, accompanied by one of his trademark phlegmy chuckles, "Nobody in this world has had to deal with a rock band that�s been around for 40 years. It�s all brand-new territory, really. People�s attitudes towards what a rock-and-roll band is supposed to be are still forming. You�re supposed to be around for two or three years and then goodbye. Hey, what about Jerry Lee Lewis and Little Richard? Those cats are still going. Mind you, they�re all nuts, of course. Maybe that�s what everybody likes. If a rock-and-roll star�s gonna live this long, let�s watch �em go nuts."

On a balmy summer evening in an Amsterdam hotel, some 24 hours before The Rolling Stones are due to hit another stadium stage for the benefit of another 50,000 punters eager to discover whether "the greatest rock-and-roll band in the world" still hold their title, Keith Richards is clearly having a wonderful time being Keith Richards, and - almost as important - a wonderful time being in a still-active and still-successful Rolling Stones.

At 59 going on 60, the "Human Riff" seems in lively good health and good spirits - vodka, to be precise, though he drowns his Stolichnaya in so much Fanta and ice that the resulting tipple barely qualifies as an alcopop.

After 20-plus years of peaceful domesticity with his wife, Patti, and their two daughters (he has another daughter and a son with Anita Pallenberg), not to mention the excision from his life of some of his more toxic indulgences, the glowering, bad-ass drug Hoover of the 1970s is long gone.

That particular Keef, the "world�s most elegantly wasted human being", has been supplanted by rock and roll�s archetypal wicked uncle.


�Music is wonderfully resilient. When we�re dead and gone the songs will still be there�



His raffish demeanour and chequered past add spice and edge to his jovial, benevolent demeanour, just as the assorted baubles, bangles and beads adorning his wrists, neck and ears - for example, the miniature Iron Cross dangling from a dreadlock in the chestnut mass to which his grey storm cloud of hair is currently dyed - recontextualise his relatively conservative black jeans and pale-blue herringbone shirt.

"We call this the Y-Front Tour because the gigs come in small, medium and large," says Richards. The Astoria in Charing Cross Road (where the band were due to play last night) is but a leisurely stroll up the road from Great Newport Street, home of one of the Stones�s early strongholds, the long-defunct Studio 51 basement club. Are they deliberately revisiting old haunts?

"Did we choose it that way? I can�t say that we consciously did. This band, when it started, just wanted to be the best blues band in London. Since there were only about two others there wasn�t that much competition." Another Marlboro-enhanced laugh.

"All we wanted to do was get a bit better, and find some amplifiers. It was a funny, fractured scene, and there were your blues purists." He invests the word with a studied loathing. "I remember Muddy Waters being booed off. This was, I think, Manchester Free Trade Hall, where Dylan got booed in the 1960s. What kind of problem did they have with electric music? The first half, Muddy went down well when he played acoustic guitar, but then he decided to get daring and bring out the electric band, and the atmosphere just changed.

"There was something strange about that English generation: why they were so voracious about R&B and blues. Maybe it was something to do with the Second World War - something to do with a new sense of freedom."

So how important is that early blues inspiration to the Rolling Stones of today? "It�s all steeped in the same stuff. In a way, the blues is a constant wellspring which keeps bubbling up. I don�t think there�s any music made in the west, even the most banal pop songs, that don�t owe something to the blues somewhere down the line. And it all comes from African music, which is why it�s so exciting. There�s something primal about it which we all recognise, because we�re all African. Some of us just left and turned white."

Part of the process of staying in touch with the primal is the Stones�s touring custom of book-ending those huge, elaborate stadium shows with the low-key gigs in clubs and small halls. From the players� point of view, it�s a very different experience.

"The big gigs are always fun, but you don�t have a lot of room to manoeuvre. You�re locked into video screens, lighting - whatever it says on the list, that�s what you�re gonna play.

"The small gigs: you get up there and suddenly you�re back in Richmond. It keeps us in touch with where we come from.

"We use those gigs to try out songs. It keeps the band interested and on their toes. There�s something about small shows that makes the band loosen up, try things they wouldn�t try in a big joint. You can screw up, stop and start again. There�s a certain laxity about it. It�s a relief sometimes. After a year of nothing but stadiums you notice the band getting jaded. We couldn�t just do stadiums ever again."

Well, it is one of my fantasies to walk into a small bar in a small town and see the Stones on the stand playing blues to 35 happy drinkers.

"Sometimes it�s a dream of ours, too," Richards says. I�d also like to hear how Mr Jagger sings when he doesn�t have to run five miles over a two-hour gig - "It helps".

I wonder whether anyone has told Richards that Johnny Depp�s characterisation in Pirates of the Caribbean is based on him?

"We met about five or six years ago and started swapping clothes. This is Johnny�s shirt, by the way. He has an incredible guitar collection. We have dinner sometimes and get together: his kids and my kids.

"He�s a good guy. I like him a lot. But I had no idea he was studying me. Everybody that�s seen it is, like, �God, it�s you.� " Another rumbling guffaw. "This is the only time I�ve been accepted by Disney!"

Richards has also recently become an author, or co-author: he, Jagger, Charlie Watts and Ron Wood have published their memoirs in the form of According to the Rolling Stones, a large, handsome, heavily-illustrated volume of Stones history.

"Actually, I haven�t read it all. There are some photographs where I have no idea where they came from, and an incredible amount of research. I know Charlie was involved with a lot of the layout - after all, he was once with J Walter Thompson as a graphic designer."

The book manages to skip over a lot of the seamier moments in the Stones� career. Richards is unrepentant. "It�s a coffee-table book, ennit? No-one�s going to spill the whole f***ing beans. That stuff can�t come out until after we�re dead." There are also essays, by an oddly assorted group of fans, friends and associates. Eclecticism is a fine thing but Tim Rice?

"Hey, totally different ends of the spectrum! I�ve learned over the years not to judge. It�s easy to say, �Oh, he ain�t one of us,� but I�ve learned to get a bit over that. I enjoyed talking to him, and he had some interesting insights. In a way, it�s like a cross-cultural thing, because you�re talking to people whom normally you�d never talk to, and finding out that they�re actually quite pleasant."

For the man who says "part of my job is keeping Mick Jagger on the straight and narrow", music is still the centre of his life, and conversation will always return to it.

"Music is always trying to find its feet. Certain people are trying to get back to the roots, others push it electronically as far as it can go. It�s never still. Sometimes you can throw up your hands and go, �Oh, there�s nothing good to listen to,� and then you start sounding like a load of old men.

"I�ve got kids and grandkids, so I�m in touch with two or three generations and what they�re listening to. My kids have taken the best of my record collection and they�re playing it to me upstairs.

"Music is wonderfully resilient. When we�re dead and gone the songs will still be there."

The Rolling Stones play the SECC, Glasgow, 1 and 3 September; According to the Rolling Stones (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, �30) is out now.

10-23-03 11:55 AM
FotiniD
quote:
Jumping Jack wrote:
He played a gay Keef.



Don't get me started He was not gay - and no, I'm no homophobic at all, I'm just trying to make a point here. I think he was rather playing it cool and relaxed and very very drunk And don't forget the desert island incident and all Mr. Sparrow went through, so...

God, I love this movie.
10-23-03 01:45 PM
hmps Another side of hmps..
hmpf..

Yet another great thread brought to you by hampus.


10-23-03 01:50 PM
Child of the Moon Johnny Depp has said that Jack Sparrow was a conscious combination of Keith and Pepe LePew.

I personally love that movie, and Depp was no small part of that. What a badass.
10-24-03 04:02 PM
Factory Girl The film was a success because of Johnny. Johnny is the greatest actor of my generation.

I want the DVD!!!
10-25-03 07:12 AM
egon johhny is a bit of a cock
10-25-03 07:13 AM
egon but keef is mr cool
10-26-03 10:26 AM
Honky Tonker Depp's quote is in today's Parade magazine.
10-26-03 01:11 PM
glimmertwin725 yep thought i was watching keef in that movie
10-26-03 03:20 PM
glencar Isn't this a bit of a stale story? The movie came out 3 months ago. The only raeson I went to see it in its first week of release is because of the Keef connection. Still & all, highly entertaining.