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October 8th, 2004 11:02 PM
Some Guy I'm leaning more and more towards Kerry. It is time for change. He won this debate also in my opinion!
October 8th, 2004 11:34 PM
T&A Bush wasn't as pathetic as last week....then, again, if that's all you can say about him (and it is) - that speaks volumes for his qualifications for the highest job in the land. Kerry makes him look like a whiny school kid, which I'm sure he was.
October 8th, 2004 11:36 PM
glencar Bush won. Round 3 next Wednesday. That'll decide.
October 8th, 2004 11:41 PM
T&A based on all the early polls I've seen so far - it appears Kerry won again...
October 8th, 2004 11:50 PM
glencar Those internet pols that get flooded by one side or another? No thanks. I've seen one ABC poll that has a 3% win for Kerry. That's a draw in most places.
October 8th, 2004 11:55 PM
T&A If Kerry wins by 3% in 23 days, it won't be a draw.....
October 9th, 2004 12:03 AM
glencar No, of course not. But an opinion poll taken by a possibly biased news org(see tonight's Drudge) spells draw.
October 9th, 2004 12:06 AM
T&A yeah - but after this week's events, even if you grant Dubya a draw - that doesn't bode well for him. His strong point is supposed to be foreign policy, which is off limits next week, so the prospect of him scoring a big win next week is low.
October 9th, 2004 12:12 AM
BILL PERKS KERRY WON
October 9th, 2004 12:32 AM
Poplar
Bush came to play tonight. Kerry was the one looking bitchy. According to NBC, he said "this president" 60 something times. Good grief. And god knows if Kerry says "ladies and gentlemen" or "my friends" one more time i'm going to put a gun to my head.

Bush won tonight, in a pretty good contest. Now, the rubber match.

And T&A, why don't ya watch the damn debate before spouting off some opinion? Please.
October 9th, 2004 12:39 AM
Poplar And Glencar - you've restored my love pour L'Arc de Triomphe.


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October 9th, 2004 01:00 AM
T&A Fuck off Poplar. I watched every damned second of it. If you're counting debating points, it was no-brainer that Kerry won. I am merely pointing out that the rest of America seems to agree.
October 9th, 2004 01:13 AM
Poplar
quote:
T&A wrote:
...which I'm sure he was.



I'm sorry. But do you see how that verbage might indicate you had not?

And I do not think it was a clear Kerry victory. Even freak'n Andrea Mitchel thought Bush won.
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October 9th, 2004 01:26 AM
T&A i was referring to the probability that when he was a schoolboy - that he probably was whiny. Point taken. A friend of mine - who has taken many post-graduate debating classes, scored the debate (I realize America doesn't grade this academically) - and it was a blowout in favor of the challenger.
October 9th, 2004 01:29 AM
Poplar
quote:
T&A wrote:
A friend of mine - who has taken many post-graduate debating classes, scored the debate..



(blank stare)

ragardless - i'm done with work - time to start my Friday night!!! Regardless of yall's politics - have a great weeeknd.

October 9th, 2004 01:34 AM
T&A cheers
October 9th, 2004 08:29 AM
Some Guy
quote:
Poplar wrote:

Bush came to play tonight. Kerry was the one looking bitchy. According to NBC, he said "this president" 60 something times. Good grief. And god knows if Kerry says "ladies and gentlemen" or "my friends" one more time i'm going to put a gun to my head.

Bush won tonight, in a pretty good contest. Now, the rubber match.

And T&A, why don't ya watch the damn debate before spouting off some opinion? Please.


good points, still leaning towards Kerry. Next debate will clinch it for me.

What did you think about them Falcons laying the smack down on those candied assed Panthers? HA!
October 9th, 2004 10:42 AM
gimmekeef And the rest of the world looks on..."you mean America has only these two buffoons to offer up for the so called toughest job in the world"......(and yes I've seen both debates..final verdict..the American people lost)(IMHO)
October 9th, 2004 10:47 AM
Dan I hate Kerry and everything he stands for but he definitely won. It could have been a tie but when Bush interrupted and shouted down the moderator and Kerry rebutted with a total smackdown, well it was pretty obvious "this president" lost. Of course Kerry was STILL flip flopping all over the board on Iraq but the bottom finally fell out under Bush on that one. Oh well, I have to hand it to the Republicans for still doing what they are told and hitting the message boards and online polls to declare victory.
October 9th, 2004 11:12 AM
Some Guy
quote:
gimmekeef wrote:
And the rest of the world looks on..."you mean America has only these two buffoons to offer up for the so called toughest job in the world"......(and yes I've seen both debates..final verdict..the American people lost)(IMHO)


good one! more like the world lost.
October 9th, 2004 12:34 PM
Ten Thousand Motels Are these things actual debates or just a couple of career politicians spewing their bullshit at each other?
October 9th, 2004 12:39 PM
Scottfree
quote:
Ten Thousand Motels wrote:
Are these things actual debates or just a couple of career politicians spewing their bullshit at each other?



What she said.....

Bush "04"
October 9th, 2004 01:11 PM
Bloozehound Bush won, and he'll win again.

End of story ladies.
October 9th, 2004 02:23 PM
Baby Steelie
quote:
T&A wrote:
If Kerry wins by 3% in 23 days, it won't be a draw.....



Nope, Bush'll be president, though!
October 9th, 2004 03:00 PM
Ten Thousand Motels
quote:
Bloozehound wrote:
Bush won, and he'll win again.



BLOOZEHOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!?????!!!!!????

You aren't a Bushie are you??? Help me restore my faith in fallen humanity. SAY IT AIN'T SO!
October 9th, 2004 03:53 PM
Some Guy Gotta take off them rose colored glasses babies! Kerry in 04!!
October 10th, 2004 05:34 AM
Ten Thousand Motels COBB ARRESTED WHILE ENTERING ST. LOUIS DEBATE
David Cobb, the Green Party's presidential candidate, was arrested Friday night, October 8, 2004, in St. Louis for committing civil disobedience to protest the anti-democratic presidential debates which are restricted to participants from two political parties and sponsored by their corporate contributors. The debates' sponsor, the Commission on Presidential Debates, denied the Cobb campaign's repeated requests to participate in the debates with Bush and Kerry and even denied Mr. Cobb's request to attend the St. Louis debate as an audience member.

Cobb was arrested shortly after the start of the Washington University debate, one of three sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates, an organization founded and operated by the two old establishment parties. Cobb was arrested by St. Louis City police officers when he pushed through a line of armed police who were preventing entry to the debate.

"The real crime is the corporate hijacking of our democracy. The corporations sponsoring these restricted, scripted and staged events, and their two-party accomplices, don't want the American people to know about the choices they have in this election. Both Big Business and the duopoly don't want you to hear voices calling for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, or for health care for every American citizen," said Cobb.

"Debates aren't just about who is going to win an election; they are the only forum where we can have unrestricted dialogue about the critical issues facing us. Third parties have a long history of changing the political landscape of this country. Restricting debates to two parties severely limits our potential for progressive change," said Cobb-LaMarche Media Director Blair Bobier.

"All real social change came about in this country because of the pressure brought by a third party. Slavery was ended because of pressure brought to bear by a third party called the Republicans. The Greenback-Labor Party pressured this country to give women the right to vote. The Socialist Party created the momentum for the creation of Social Security. The Progressive Party brought pressure to bring about the direct election of the United States Senate," said Cobb.

Debates including third party and independent candidates have had a profound effect on recent American politics. Ross Perot's participation in the 1992 presidential debates is widely credited with putting the issue of a balanced federal budget on the table. Jesse Ventura's victory as a gubernatorial candidate in Minnesota was due in large part to the fact that he participated in debates with his two-party opponents.

The Cobb-LaMarche campaign supports debate participation standards which are fair, objective and allow for the participation of more than two candidates. Specifically, the campaign supports debates which include candidates who are on enough ballots to win the presidency. In this election, that would be only six candidates, a very manageable number and far fewer than participated in many of the Democratic presidential primary debates this year. Obtaining ballot access in a sufficient number of states is a very rigorous and complicated process which would serve as a reasonable threshold for participation. "Participation in presidential debates should not be dependent on polls commissioned by the corporate media," said Bobier.

Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik pushed his way through the police line at the debate site about a minute after Cobb and was similarly arrested. Cobb and Badnarik have participated in genuine, non-scripted, nonpartisan debates four times in this campaign; a fifth debate is scheduled for October 15 at Eastern Tennessee State University with a number of other candidates.

October 11th, 2004 01:38 PM
jb The liberal media myth further debunked as Sinclair broadcasting will pre-empt all local programs in prime time two weeks before the election to run an anti-kerry film on his post Vietnam comments...This will run in 62 markets in the battlegroud states..
October 11th, 2004 01:43 PM
egon JB, I just congratulated you in your B-day thread.
Please go there and thank me.

Thank you please.
October 12th, 2004 12:40 PM
Scottfree
quote:
jb wrote:
The liberal media myth further debunked as Sinclair broadcasting will pre-empt all local programs in prime time two weeks before the election to run an anti-kerry film on his post Vietnam comments...This will run in 62 markets in the battlegroud states..



How is it a myth, you don't believe that journalists are by and large on the left? This is what the left does journalism and arts, and also become elitist politicians. There was also a recent poll amongst journalists and only about 18% claimed they leaned right (in the 60's to the left). There is rarely objective journalism, it's always been this way, there just happens to be some alternative media sources that critque the written word.
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