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| Phil@Backtrax |
So far I have Now!, Let it Bleed, Between the Buttons(US), Beggar's, Aftermath (UK), & Hot Rocks. I was very skeptical before these came out but after hearing them, I'm sold and have to have the whole set! I'm afraid of hearing them on a SACD player; they may make my entire collection obsolete. My only problem (and it's not a big one) is that they contained detailed liner notes and bonus tracks, but I understand that they were going for that "original" thing (although no 3-D Majesties and no octagonal Through the Past). All of this is just nitpicking though, the music is what's important and it's never sounded better. Is it just my imagination or do the ABKCO remasters sound better than the FORTY LICKS versions of the same songs? ---REMEMBER: ALWAYS SUPPORT YOU LOCAL INDEPENDENT RECORD STORE!!! |
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| riccardo |
What I don't understand is why on the same record some songs are in mono and other in stereo.For instance in Now Down the road apiece and Heart of Stone are stereo while other tracks are in mono. |
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| ShannonDC |
In the early days, the Stones used to record on the fly as they toured. For example, some of the songs on 12 x 5 were recorded at Chess Studios in Chicago and are in stereo, others were recorded in LA and London. So after the first album, there's a hodge-podge of tracks recorded at different times in different places with different equipment. And in 1964 and 1965, some of their studios had more advanced equipment than others.
The stereo stuff on 12x5 sounds great, while things like "Suzie Q" are a jumbled mess (but not without their own charm). |
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| Stonesprofessor |
How do DECEMBER'S CHILDREN/OOH sound with the 'enhanced' mono? |
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| Stonesthrow |
SP-- They sound only marginally better than my German Decca versions of DC and OOOH. I would assume they would be much better than the ABKCO versions. Plus I would still like to actually hear them on an SACD system to find out if it's hype or whether it's really a quantifiable improvement. |
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| gypsymofo60 |
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SP-- They sound only marginally better than my German Decca versions of DC and OOOH. I would assume they would be much better than the ABKCO versions. Plus I would still like to actually hear them on an SACD system to find out if it's hype or whether it's really a quantifiable improvement.
.....My guess Stonesthrow is it's a hype! I mean how much clearer are these songs going to get? Different remasters, SACD? Look! I remember listening to brand new vinyl of 'Sticky Fingers'(UK)pressing, on a top-notch'Marantz hi-fi back in 1980, and that still remains the bench mark as far as I'm concerned. Like you all my 60s CDs are German, except LIB, which is French(and still very good.)I honestly can't imagine getting a sound which could really improve on those discs, and I am not listening on cheap, tinny sounding systems either, we're talking great intergrated components, and huge fuck-off speakers.Apart from a decidedly dodgy 'London Years'_3CD set, and a fairly ordinary 'TTPD'I couldn't really be happier with my 60s fair. I'm always open to technology, but I honestly think recorded music has hit it's peak, and that everything else is just a protracted sales pitch. |
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| Stonesthrow |
GMF-- I agree with much of what you said, but don't write off new technology just yet. Good new technology, both hardware and software, in the hands of the right people could add up to real improvement. Don't give up hope. However, unlike another unfortunate poster here, I am not going to sell my German Deccas.
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| gypsymofo60 |
quote:
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GMF-- I agree with much of what you said, but don't write off new technology just yet. Good new technology, both hardware and software, in the hands of the right people could add up to real improvement. Don't give up hope. However, unlike another unfortunate poster here, I am not going to sell my German Deccas.
Someone sold all their German discs? WHAT? Like I said I am always open to new technology, I'm just always wary of the hype. |
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| padre |
Has anyone got to compare these new remasters to Mickboy's releases. How about LIB for example? |
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| full moon |
SACD are not hype . There was just an article in Jam news(music + entertainment) that said that SACD and DVD-audio are really being produced now and they want to start producing all titles in these formats eventually. They said is is unreal. |
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| gypsymofo60 |
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SACD are not hype . There was just an article in Jam news(music + entertainment) that said that SACD and DVD-audio are really being produced now and they want to start producing all titles in these formats eventually. They said is is unreal.
Well what is so special about SACD? Can you elaborate? It's like I was saying earlier, A good vinyl pressing on a good hi-fi in my opinion is as good, if not (at times) better than CD. But I have not heard SACD, to my knowlege it is not available here in OZ as yet. |
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| fmk438j |
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A good vinyl pressing on a good hi-fi in my opinion is as good, if not (at times) better than CD.
I haven't heard SACD but I've read about Audiophiles and that they hold vinyl as the superior medium (not sure if this has SACD taken into acount, or it is too new to be have established to any accepted degree). This is what is driving the boutique suppliers of high precision turntables (for huge prices). Stuff like air-cushions to prevent any vibrations disrupting the system, and electric motors tuned to extremely precise rev speeds.
I know nothing about the subject, but from what I have read, there's some people that invest literally 100's of thousands of $ into systems, and the sound they generate is incredible. These guys are nuts. They design their houses around the sound system, like pouring concrete foundations to bedrock below where their systems will be set up. THey say that when an audiophile listen to music, they're listening to the system, not the tunes as such. I find it fascinating and would love to hear just how good they are.
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| gypsymofo60 |
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I haven't heard SACD but I've read about Audiophiles and that they hold vinyl as the superior medium (not sure if this has SACD taken into acount, or it is too new to be have established to any accepted degree). This is what is driving the boutique suppliers of high precision turntables (for huge prices). Stuff like air-cushions to prevent any vibrations disrupting the system, and electric motors tuned to extremely precise rev speeds.
I know nothing about the subject, but from what I have read, there's some people that invest literally 100's of thousands of $ into systems, and the sound they generate is incredible. These guys are nuts. They design their houses around the sound system, like pouring concrete foundations to bedrock below where their systems will be set up. THey say that when an audiophile listen to music, they're listening to the system, not the tunes as such. I find it fascinating and would love to hear just how good they are.
This is something I remember reading about myself some time back. My system's good, but it's you know,sensible! The guitarist in a band I once played with scored his step fathers stereo for part of his 17th birthday present, this system was SICK!!!!!!My only regret was I never got to hear any Stones on it, but we put an old Creedence record on it, the record was still in pristine condition, the Step Father was a stickler for quality, and maintenance. That was alltogether the best home based ,reproduced music I've ever heard. He told me Japanese turntable, German amp, German EQ, and good old English(Kenwood) speakers were as good as anything money can buy. When is SACD due here? I've got to hear it. |
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| full moon |
Click on this link and read away...http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusic/oct9_dvdaudio-ap.html |
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| gypsymofo60 |
Thanx for the link Fullmoon! A good article, but I'm more convinced than ever now that alot of it is a hype(not all of it), just some of it. Buy SACD, and oh! yeah to get the full benefit you'll need to upgrade again(the whole stereo system)errrrr no thanx Mr. manufacturer, I'm good for now! SACD only plays in SACD players,this sounds very familiar, I'm drifting back to 1986, will I replace my entire Stones collection? Mmmmmmmm dejavue! Sometimes I wish I'd kept all my old vinyl, for the day when a turntable would be invented that would play your old, old records without revealing a single scratch, jump, or distorted anomaly. I've often heard the something missing on cd, that was on vinyl being refered to as warmth! Does anyone else HEAR warm? Anyway I'll decide about SACD when I hear it, but I'm not holding my breath, by the time it hits OZ it'll be defunct anyway. |
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| Stonesthrow |
GMF-- I remember reading that somebody here wanted the SACDs badly enough and was cash-strapped enough that he sold off his Deccas in order to buy SACDs. I don't remember who, but wasn't that long ago.
Re the quality of the sound, I have found that the most important component in determining the sound quality is the graphic equalizer. If the system has a turntable, the second most important is the quality of its cartridge. These days, few people have turntables. People who pay a lot for high-end speakers or receivers are just wasting money. The only exception is if you get an SACD player, then you have to have a receiver that can receive all of the SACD signals. Generally, get a good quality source machine (cd player) and use the equalizer to customize the sound to your preference.
One of the reasons that many people think vinyl is superior to cds is that most of the cds were recorded with flat equalization on lows, mid-range, and highs. There is no life to it. In my mind, rock sounds better when the lows (for bass and drums) and the highs (for lead guitar, singing, and cymbals), are accentuated. There is usually not much going on in mid-range. That is one man's opinion.
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| gypsymofo60 |
Stonesthrow, agree with all that especially the bit about cartridges. I've got a guy in town who specialises in vinyl, new & used, great selection 30s blues, jazz,swing, etc. to 50s rock n' roll(which I'm finaly awake up to)-60s to present day, consequently, he also specialises in turntables, and turntable accessories, he's my guardian angel. Without him I'd be looking for 10,000K to upgrade a stereo system thanks very much. Pity that guy that elbowed his Deccas to bet on a largely untried medium like SACD. |
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