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monkey_man wrote:
Me thinks the next military engagement is about to begin. . . and it's not going to be North Korea. Are you listening Iran?

http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,116005,00.html?ESRC=navynews.RSS

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telecaster wrote:


Two months ago the US conducted the largest naval operations since WWII
in the Pacific

In addition, Bush months ago transferred 6 additional submarines with 900
"Deep Strike" cruise missles off the coast of NK

They are sitting there now and have been for some time

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glencar wrote:
I too think it's time to get out of Iraq. Throw another election, declare victory & head for home.

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Brainbell Jangler wrote:

Ditto.

I think the concern over N. Korean nukes is as moonie stated. Remember that N. Korea is nearly completely non-integrated into the world economy, much as China was 40 years ago. The are very small, though, and may think they have little to lose in a nuclear exchange. By contrast, China has every reason to want to avoid trouble and is probably the best hope of reining Kim in.

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monkey_man wrote:

There is a reporter from The Nation claiming that this carrier groups destination is the Persian Gulf for action with Iran. I didn't find it sourced anywhere else so I posted what the military has confirmed.

BTW cool story about last night!

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Fiji Joe wrote:
And does anyone get the feeling that Japan, South Korea and the USA are trying awful hard to explain this as a dud or non-detonation....why?..I can see some logic in denying it is the case...even if it happened...I mean Il must be going nuts he can't get credit for his insanity

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rasputin56 wrote:
Well, is he nuts or is he going nuts? Typical, always wanting it both ways.

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Fiji Joe wrote:


Neither Iran nor North Korea are capable of understanding or caring with respect to MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction)...such kept the USA and USSR in check during the cold war...and keeps Pakistan and India in check now...these mofos is straight up crazy...both part of the dictactor contingent....kill a commie...boycott Wal-Mart

But to date I applaud the left wing fringe...no one has yet suggested that this is all a ruse concocted by Rove to distract Americans from the Foley matter

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I agree with you Feej with one exception. It's true that both the Imams and Amniwhatshisfuck of Iran are radical Islamofacists and would use a nuke just out of respect for Allah. They are crazy bastards to be sure.

North Korea's Kim "Dear Leader" Jong Il is just plain nuts. No religious conviction at all with this freak. Other than the fact that he promotes himself as of devine birth. However,the difference is that with NK there is real presure that could be brought to bear by China.

China uses NK as a sock puppet in the region. They could cut off that North Korea's power overnight. So I think that just the threat of the US arming Taiwan,South Korea,and Japan would prompt China to reel this bastard in. That and majors tariffs and trade sanctions and China will be forced to capitulate.

Right?

Riffy

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Fiji Joe wrote:

don't overlook China's cock-blocking

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Fiji Joe wrote:


I agree with most all of that...don't overlook China's cock-blocking with respect to UN sanctions against Iran...It's time we played some cards in Asia

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For sure. China has been playing the UN Security Council like a drum. It's high time that we start making some serious chess moves in South East Asia. We had better get some allies up to speed on the military option. With hopes,of course,that the threat alone could help force China's hand.


Riffy

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Fiji Joe wrote:


You're not all there today...you didn't answer a single question I asked...yet I answered all of yours...but you did manage to imply I'm a nazi...how very flea of you...
your intellectual inferiority has been shown...for all to see...thanks for playing...next!


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rasputin56 wrote:


HA! Great stuff! Marxist/Commies/Nazis whatever. Talk about intellectual inferiority, can't even recognize your own hypocrisy. Too funny. As a devotee of Bush, I'm guessing you know a little bit about both, though. But then again, isn't intellectual inferiority something to be praised amongst the Republican set? After all, anyone with long-winded, over-analysed policies that may appear to be nuanced, can't be seen in strict black or white terms, and/or can't be summed up in a short, moronic, easily-chanted phrase is treated as an aloof, intellectual egghead, right? That would be bad.

Considering the audience: Diplomacy-Sanctions-Military. My more detailed analysis will be appearing in "Foreign Affairs" in the months to come. I doubt any of you will read it, nor should any of you care what my "plan" is.

Now, can I dare question our worthy of worship Dubya? Although, not that having a plan hasn't hindered Republicans for ignoring their own non-plans by criticizing Clinton who has been out of office for quite awhile now.

I'm still trying to figure out how inaction is considered a "plan" and why everyone is getting so uptight about this. If we really didn't want them to get the bomb, wouldn't we have tried to do something about it over the past 5+ years? If no one was willing to "correct" Clinton's "failures" as Bush's Bitch With No Plan McCain is sqwacking about, why should we get so bent or even surprised about them actually going nuclear? Then again the only two groups happy about this so-called test are the North Koreans and the Republicans.

In other news and another example of how well the no plan plan works, 650,000 Iraqis are claimed to have been killed and have been liberated permanently. Yes, I'm sure that number is extremely high but is the real number even remotely close? Half? 1/3?

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Fiji Joe wrote:


No see...you ask a question I answer...I ask a question, you're supposed to answer...that's how civil discussions take place...you don't take 24 hours and come back with another lame ass, long winded, off topic, babbling, name calling...it shouldn't take you that long...unless you're an imbecile...and I don't even mind the name calling if there is an articulated point in there somewhere...but I just wasted my time reading 5 paragraphs of dribble indicative of a man who is off his medication and who was beaten as a child...you suck at this...and everyone here sees that...I know it kills you to be a non-factor, but, that is exactly what you are...you're like Chuck, except with all the bells and whistles

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jb wrote:
This is a very bad thing. Instead of go after the real threats, like N. Korea and Iran, we are stuck in Iraq .

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Fiji Joe wrote:


No see...you ask a question I answer...I ask a question, you're supposed to answer...that's how civil discussions take place...you don't take 24 hours and come back with another lame ass, long winded, off topic, babbling, name calling...it shouldn't take you that long...unless you're an imbecile...and I don't even mind the name calling if there is an articulated point in there somewhere...but I just wasted my time reading 5 paragraphs of dribble indicative of a man who is off his medication and who was beaten as a child...you suck at this...and everyone here sees that...I know it kills you to be a non-factor, but, that is exactly what you are...you're like Chuck, except with all the bells and whistles

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FotiniD wrote:


"Civil" discussions? Fiji talks about a "civil" discussion and how it should be held?!

I haven't read this thread throughout, so I won't comment on this in particular, but from my personal experience Fiji, what you tend to do when someone disagrees with you is start calling him / her names. You don't present your side of the story, you don't have any facts to support it (mostly just supporting your own interpretation of them as the one and holy truth) and you don't even agree to disagree. You're being downright rude to people who don't share your opinion and I've seen it hapenning plenty of times. You turn discussions into fights.

I don't know why you do this, if it's just part of your internet persona or a way to let off steam... But perhaps you should think twice before going off at people for no reason.

I don't mean to start another fight, it's just that this comment on holding a "civil" discussion was just too hard to ignore.

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Fiji Joe wrote:


My experience with you, as long as we're talking that, is that you have zero ability to form complex thought and just like to hear you're own over-emotional dribble...and that you get really angry when someone does not share your tears...then you accuse them of attacking you...you're not cut out for this stuff and you should leave it alone...not trying to start a fight...just an observation

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rasputin56 wrote:


Too frickin' funny! I've asked countless questions of the right-wing brain trust here only to be told that Clinton was a perverted traitor while ignoring the fact that Dubya has been president for the past 5+ years. (I can't blame them for trying to forget that miserable failure) Oh, and lately that no plan is the plan? That's it. I'm begging you, stop.

As far as civil discourse, name calling, etc., again, does your hypocrisy know no bounds? Do you actually read what you post? Too funny! Have you ever had your chromosomes counted? Right now there are maybe two of your like minded proteges that are giggling over your spew but that's about it. Good luck with that.

But that's OK, 650,000 dead Iraqis, North Korea has the bomb and Iran soon will. I blame Clinton.

And Carter and maybe the Chinese.

Did I forget Poland?


Great stuff. Keep up the good work.

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FotiniD wrote:

You're right about one one thing though. I'm not cut out for this stuff. I got better things to do.

Ciao.

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Lethargy wrote:


Have to say you've got a point there JB.

I wish the blame for N. Korea having this capability in the first place, though, would be placed where it belongs: the dynamic duo of Clinton and Albright, who gave them nuclear technology in exchange for simple empty promises that it would only be used for nuclear power.

The idiots who blame the N. Korea situation on Bush (I don't think this includes you) lack even a basic understanding of the last 10 years of history.

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That's right. They only had nuke plants before Clinton got into office and as early as 1983 when the Cowboy was in the saddle. But that's OK, don't let facts get in the way. Let's zoom to 2002 because it is now well documented that Clinton drew them maps, plans, hookers, fully supplied them and threw in a concert by his brother. So, when it was discovered that they were sneaking around on the Agreed Framework by trying to enrich uranium, which was a slow process, Dubya too stopped all compliance with the agreement and offered no consequences for North Korea's actions. Just took his ball and went home. With the agreement now broken, the N. Koreans kicked out the international inspectors who had guarded the spent fuel rods that they successfully kept out of Kim's hands for 8 years. With those spent fuel rods, Kim could quickly reprocess them into weapons grade plutonium, much quicker than going the uranium route. Meanwhile, for the past 5 years all we get is "Axis of Evil" and tough talk, no diplomacy not even threats of any kind of action. Now, they may have successfully tested a nuke. Yeah, Clinton needs to face the music.

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Fiji Joe wrote:


I sense a flea-like meltdown in your future...the pool has been started...bets are being taken

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Lethargy wrote:


Your blind partisan devotion, and ignorance, are astounding. There's no point engaging you in logical argument.

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Meltdown? Do you mean like Tele's sheep fucking post? Nah, see I realize this is an internet message board. Why would I take anything you or anyone else has to "say" to heart? Obviously, this is the big time for you but that's OK, we've all got to have something. Be all that you can be.

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