| 1st October 2007 03:57 PM |
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| robpop |
This is going nowhere...FACT |
| 1st October 2007 03:57 PM |
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| glencar |
Dingell (a Dem, natch) is proposing a 50 cent per gallon gas tax to pay for global warming solutions. I think this would hurt the poor more than anyone so let's do it! |
| 1st October 2007 03:58 PM |
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| glencar |
quote:
robpop wrote:
This is going nowhere...FACT
My side is winning, I take it. |
| 1st October 2007 04:00 PM |
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| robpop |
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glencar wrote:
My side is winning, I take it.
No my friend. I'm just tired. Not feeling up to it today. Things are going great with the new lady in my life. She's mellowing me out.
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| 1st October 2007 04:03 PM |
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| monkey_man |
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Huh? I even recycle those plastic supermarket bags. I will cut back on beef as a general diet issue. I recycle those inserted magazine subscrition cards. I'm someone who walks the walk. My citation of Algore is to show what some of these people who want you to change haven't done the same thing themselves. It's like Leo Dicaprio taking private jets to get to those Live Earth concerts. Kind of defeats their point, knowwhatImsayin'?
I figured you as a walk the walk kind of guy but your anti Gore/DiCaprio stance makes it sound like people shouldn't pay heed to the issues they raise. Who gives a rat's ass what they tell you to do. If it encourages people to do their own research and take their own steps, then more power to 'em.
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| 1st October 2007 04:11 PM |
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| Riffhard |
Please go read this pdf pdog http://www.lavoisier.com.au/papers/...v2006forWeb.pdf, and learn the truth about the hoax of "man-made" climate change. We have next to nothing to do with the cyclical patterns of climate change. This lie is a crock that is being hoisted up by politicians seeking more and higher taxes, and scientists that have a stake in government grants. It's a crock of shit! The earth is warmer. No doubt, but we are not causing it.
Monkey Man the average temperature of the planet can be determined by means other than thermometers. Layered soil samples for example can show the cyclical change in climate from the prehistoric eras right through modern times. A look at different soil samples shows that the 1400s showed the warmest average earth temperature detected since that time. There was an article linked via Drudge from the BBC that laid all this out. In fact well over 500 climatologists recently signed a petition that clearly stated that "man-made" climate change was a total fallacy. This article was up on Drudge just two days ago. So was the article that revealed the NASA memo pertaining to man-made global "cooling" from the late 1970's!
"When the earth is done with us it's gonna shake us off like a bad case of crabs."-George Carlin
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| 1st October 2007 04:13 PM |
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| glencar |
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I figured you as a walk the walk kind of guy but your anti Gore/DiCaprio stance makes it sound like people shouldn't pay heed to the issues they raise. Who gives a rat's ass what they tell you to do. If it encourages people to do their own research and take their own steps, then more power to 'em.
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I don't disagree with the general conservation/anti-waste thrust of their argument. My disagreement comes with their carzy scare tactics & their facile arguments for making the rest of us do WHAT THEY WON'T DO. They are chicken hawks in the fight for a cleaner world. |
| 1st October 2007 04:14 PM |
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| Fiji Joe |
Excreting humans are the biggest factor in greenhouse emissions...so...either stop pooping, or kill yourself |
| 1st October 2007 04:16 PM |
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| Saint Sway |
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Excreting humans are the biggest factor in greenhouse emissions...so...either stop pooping, or kill yourself
and all this time I thought just using one square of toilet paper was helping |
| 1st October 2007 04:18 PM |
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| Fiji Joe |
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and all this time I thought just using one square of toilet paper was helping
Nope...that does not help at all...plus, I guarantee you your nasty ass has cost you countless blow jobs...bet you feel stupid now |
| 1st October 2007 04:20 PM |
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| glencar |
Laurie David who took a bus ride across the country to promote conservation has trashed her marriage & taken up with a contractor working on her 3rd home, the one in Cape Cod. I think anyone with 3 homes should shut the fuck up about conserving resources. |
| 1st October 2007 04:20 PM |
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| glencar |
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and all this time I thought just using one square of toilet paper was helping
Surely the one square thing was for women when they were done peeing? |
| 1st October 2007 04:22 PM |
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| glencar |
BTW On Ho Stern, he had an armless midget on who described how he wiped his ass after #2. He used his feet to crumple up some squares and then he threw it on the floor & rubbed himself against it. TMI? |
| 1st October 2007 04:24 PM |
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| pdog |
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Excreting humans are the biggest factor in greenhouse emissions...so...either stop pooping, or kill yourself
How many times we've asked this of Joey? |
| 1st October 2007 04:27 PM |
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| Saint Sway |
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Surely the one square thing was for women when they were done peeing?
ask that idiot Sheryl Crow
that still ranks as one of the stupidest quotes ever
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| 1st October 2007 04:29 PM |
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| monkey_man |
quote:
Riffhard wrote:
Monkey Man the average temperature of the planet can be determined by means other than thermometers. Layered soil samples for example can show the cyclical change in climate from the prehistoric eras right through modern times. A look at different soil samples shows that the 1400s showed the warmest average earth temperature detected since that time. There was an article linked via Drudge from the BBC that laid all this out. In fact well over 500 climatologists recently signed a petition that clearly stated that "man-made" climate change was a total fallacy. This article was up on Drudge just two days ago. So was the article that revealed the NASA memo pertaining to man-made global "cooling" from the late 1970's!
Riffy
Riff,
I was only blowing you shit at your certitude. Yes I'm well aware of how temperatures are estimated prior to the keeping of temperature records. I think we are arguing over two different things. You are arguing about man's ability to make a difference in climate change. I'm arguing that a reduction in the resources we use, will eliminate unecessary waste and reduce pollution. Whether it has an effect on CLIMATE isn't something I will live to find out one way or another. |
| 1st October 2007 04:30 PM |
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| glencar |
Yes, Sheryl was on that bus tour with Laurie David but just like Paris & Nicole, the 2 former BFF's are now unable to stand the sight of each other. Maybe Laurie grabbed the last square? |
| 1st October 2007 04:31 PM |
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| glencar |
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monkey_man wrote:
Riff,
I was only blowing you shit at your certitude. Yes I'm well aware of how temperatures are estimated prior to the keeping of temperature records. I think we are arguing over two different things. You are arguing about man's ability to make a difference in climate change. I'm arguing that a reduction in the resources we use, will eliminate unecessary waste and reduce pollution. Whether it has an effect on CLIMATE isn't something I will live to find out one way or another.
I think that jibes with what I'm saying. |
| 1st October 2007 04:41 PM |
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| Fiji Joe |
I'm all for conserving resources...just not going to be spooked into it by people using global warming as a springboard for their own political careers and socialism...I can think of far better reasons to conserve resources...I do my part...I now will only purchase a CD if it's in digipack form...so tell your grankids who to think for saving the planet |
| 1st October 2007 04:50 PM |
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| steel driving hammer |
God I wish you guys would have the same passion w/ Bealtes vs Stones!
I say Global Cooling just to fuck w/ the Global Warming Dummies who bitch about everything.
http://www.environmentaldefense.org/page.cfm?tagID=1011 |
| 1st October 2007 04:54 PM |
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| robpop |
No need to paste any more links of propaganda oil company research. Fuck it I don't care. I don't have any kids. Lets all have a blast while it lasts.
Why would the oil companies lie to us. What do that have to lose The cigarette compaines never lied also. Lung cancer dramitically increases with exposure to the air.
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| 1st October 2007 05:00 PM |
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| steel driving hammer |
The Cold Hard Facts...
Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide
Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?
By Timothy Ball
Monday, February 5, 2007
Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was one of the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and was a climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg. For some reason (actually for many), the World is not listening. Here is why.
What would happen if tomorrow we were told that, after all, the Earth is flat? It would probably be the most important piece of news in the media and would generate a lot of debate. So why is it that when scientists who have studied the Global Warming phenomenon for years say that humans are not the cause nobody listens? Why does no one acknowledge that the Emperor has no clothes on?
Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets.
No sensible person seeks conflict, especially with governments, but if we don't pursue the truth, we are lost as individuals and as a society. That is why I insist on saying that there is no evidence that we are, or could ever cause global climate change. And, recently, Yuri A. Izrael, Vice President of the United Nations sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) confirmed this statement. So how has the world come to believe that something is wrong?
Maybe for the same reason we believed, 30 years ago, that global cooling was the biggest threat: a matter of faith. "It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species," wrote Lowell Ponte in 1976.
I was as opposed to the threats of impending doom global cooling engendered as I am to the threats made about Global Warming. Let me stress I am not denying the phenomenon has occurred. The world has warmed since 1680, the nadir of a cool period called the Little Ice Age (LIA) that has generally continued to the present. These climate changes are well within natural variability and explained quite easily by changes in the sun. But there is nothing unusual going on.
Since I obtained my doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College, England my career has spanned two climate cycles. Temperatures declined from 1940 to 1980 and in the early 1970's global cooling became the consensus. This proves that consensus is not a scientific fact. By the 1990's temperatures appeared to have reversed and Global Warming became the consensus. It appears I'll witness another cycle before retiring, as the major mechanisms and the global temperature trends now indicate a cooling.
No doubt passive acceptance yields less stress, fewer personal attacks and makes career progress easier. What I have experienced in my personal life during the last years makes me understand why most people choose not to speak out; job security and fear of reprisals. Even in University, where free speech and challenge to prevailing wisdoms are supposedly encouraged, academics remain silent.
I once received a three page letter that my lawyer defined as libellous, from an academic colleague, saying I had no right to say what I was saying, especially in public lectures. Sadly, my experience is that universities are the most dogmatic and oppressive places in our society. This becomes progressively worse as they receive more and more funding from governments that demand a particular viewpoint.
In another instance, I was accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being paid by oil companies. That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club or governments pay there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment?
Personal attacks are difficult and shouldn't occur in a debate in a civilized society. I can only consider them from what they imply. They usually indicate a person or group is losing the debate. In this case, they also indicate how political the entire Global Warming debate has become. Both underline the lack of or even contradictory nature of the evidence.
I am not alone in this journey against the prevalent myth. Several well-known names have also raised their voices. Michael Crichton, the scientist, writer and filmmaker is one of them. In his latest book, "State of Fear" he takes time to explain, often in surprising detail, the flawed science behind Global Warming and other imagined environmental crises.
Another cry in the wildenerness is Richard Lindzen's. He is an atmospheric physicist and a professor of meteorology at MIT, renowned for his research in dynamic meteorology - especially atmospheric waves. He is also a member of the National Academy of Sciences and has held positions at the University of Chicago, Harvard University and MIT. Linzen frequently speaks out against the notion that significant Global Warming is caused by humans. Yet nobody seems to listen.
I think it may be because most people don't understand the scientific method which Thomas Kuhn so skilfully and briefly set out in his book "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions." A scientist makes certain assumptions and then produces a theory which is only as valid as the assumptions. The theory of Global Warming assumes that CO2 is an atmospheric greenhouse gas and as it increases temperatures rise. It was then theorized that since humans were producing more CO2 than before, the temperature would inevitably rise. The theory was accepted before testing had started, and effectively became a law.
As Lindzen said many years ago: "the consensus was reached before the research had even begun." Now, any scientist who dares to question the prevailing wisdom is marginalized and called a sceptic, when in fact they are simply being good scientists. This has reached frightening levels with these scientists now being called climate change denier with all the holocaust connotations of that word. The normal scientific method is effectively being thwarted.
Meanwhile, politicians are being listened to, even though most of them have no knowledge or understanding of science, especially the science of climate and climate change. Hence, they are in no position to question a policy on climate change when it threatens the entire planet. Moreover, using fear and creating hysteria makes it very difficult to make calm rational decisions about issues needing attention.
Until you have challenged the prevailing wisdom you have no idea how nasty people can be. Until you have re-examined any issue in an attempt to find out all the information, you cannot know how much misinformation exists in the supposed age of information.
I was greatly influenced several years ago by Aaron Wildavsky's book "Yes, but is it true?" The author taught political science at a New York University and realized how science was being influenced by and apparently misused by politics. He gave his graduate students an assignment to pursue the science behind a policy generated by a highly publicised environmental concern. To his and their surprise they found there was little scientific evidence, consensus and justification for the policy. You only realize the extent to which Wildavsky's findings occur when you ask the question he posed. Wildavsky's students did it in the safety of academia and with the excuse that it was an assignment. I have learned it is a difficult question to ask in the real world, however I firmly believe it is the most important question to ask if we are to advance in the right direction.
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| 1st October 2007 05:01 PM |
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Well if it's about politics, Republicans look like shit. Bush appointed people into the EPA who work in industries contradictory to conservation and envoirmental protection. And Bills called Clean Air and Healthy Forrests are ruses, b/c those allowed for pollution and the cutting down of trees to increase. And forrest fires were used as an excuse to clear out forrests. Yet the anti envoirmental and climate side dismises that, and talks about Gores electric bill...?
It's easy to blast Michael Moore's and Al Gore's, until you actually realize that all this flat planet bullshit, anti- science crap and an agenda that favors rich and is inheirantly racist, unless you can take the politics out. If politics is intertwined, then I see Republicans as an evil. They scream that anti-war people are traitors and hurting the troops, and vote against letting them have time at home. what it comes down to, is the argument that one side says do as I say, is bullshit. Because the other side says, I don't give a fuck, because it doesn't affect me right now! Bullshit war with no sacrafices made, yet they scream they may have to sacrafice to conserve? The party that created conservationism has been hijacked, and too many people are clouded by shit like stem cells, phony patriotism and liars, telling them the other guy is a liar to see the forrest from the trees. although, don't worry, the forrests are going away. |
| 1st October 2007 05:03 PM |
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| pdog |
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robpop wrote:
No need to paste any more links of propaganda oil company research. Fuck it I don't care. I don't have any kids. Lets all have a blast while it lasts.
Exactly, but don't worry, the other side is doing it for grant money.. what a crock of shit! Billions of billions of dollars from oil and how much for non biased scientific reasearch... Fucking laughable!!! |
| 1st October 2007 05:04 PM |
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| robpop |
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Exactly, but don't worry, the other side is doing it for grant money.. what a crock of shit! Billions of billions of dollars from oil and how much for non biased scientific reasearch... Fucking laughable!!!
I know. |
| 1st October 2007 05:05 PM |
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| pdog |
Timothy Ball is an oil company stooge... Paid for and funded by big oil and energy companies... and thousands of scientists who work for grants are the problem...
We humans deserve to die off, we're fucking morans, waiting for some angry god to save us?
Flat earth fucksticks!!! Ignorance and apathy rules!!! |
| 1st October 2007 05:10 PM |
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| robpop |
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pdog wrote:
Well if it's about politics, Republicans look like shit. Bush appointed people into the EPA who work in industries contradictory to conservation and envoirmental protection. And Bills called Clean Air and Healthy Forrests are ruses, b/c those allowed for pollution and the cutting down of trees to increase. And forrest fires were used as an excuse to clear out forrests. Yet the anti envoirmental and climate side dismises that, and talks about Gores electric bill...?
It's easy to blast Michael Moore's and Al Gore's, until you actually realize that all this flat planet bullshit, anti- science crap and an agenda that favors rich and is inheirantly racist, unless you can take the politics out. If politics is intertwined, then I see Republicans as an evil. They scream that anti-war people are traitors and hurting the troops, and vote against letting them have time at home. what it comes down to, is the argument that one side says do as I say, is bullshit. Because the other side says, I don't give a fuck, because it doesn't affect me right now! Bullshit war with no sacrafices made, yet they scream they may have to sacrafice to conserve? The party that created conservationism has been hijacked, and too many people are clouded by shit like stem cells, phony patriotism and liars, telling them the other guy is a liar to see the forrest from the trees. although, don't worry, the forrests are going away.
Thanks Pdog.
The stem cell thing is what angers me the most on a personal level. How stupid can you be to shoot this down? How many good lives and good minds could have been spared if this would go foreward. On a personal level....I watched my mother pass away just three months ago after sufferin from her first stroke over 20 years ago. Her condition got worse. Trust me you would think differently if you had to watch someone loose everything form independence to thier life, when stem cell research at least offers a glimmer of hope. |
| 1st October 2007 05:15 PM |
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| Fiji Joe |
I'm just waiting for one of you foaming at the mouth lunatics to call me a "deniar"...I got news for you kooks...the nations of India and China are set to surpass the US economy within the next 25 years...these are, as of now, "under-developed" countries...they pollute in great numbers already...imagine what they'll do when they "develop"...and worse, they have, and will not have, any regard for regulating their environmental activities...but have fun trying to convince people who have lived in mud huts their entire lives not to buy a car or other "luxury" environmentally unfriendly goods...face it...if you're correct as to the cause of global warming, you're fucked...and not just a little bit fucked...you're a whole lot of fucked...and there is nothing any birkenstock wearing or euro trash protester can do about it |
| 1st October 2007 05:21 PM |
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| pdog |
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Fiji Joe wrote:
I'm just waiting for one of you foaming at the mouth lunatics to call me a "deniar"...I got news for you kooks...the nations of India and China are set to surpass the US economy within the next 25 years...these are, as of now, "under-developed" countries...they pollute in great numbers already...imagine what they'll do when they "develop"...and worse, they have, and will not have, any regard for regulating their environmental activities...but have fun trying to convince people who have lived in mud huts their entire lives not to buy a car or other "luxury" environmentally unfriendly goods...face it...if you're correct as to the cause of global warming, you're fucked...and not just a little bit fucked...you're a whole lot of fucked...and there is nothing any birkenstock wearing or euro trash protester can do about it
The economics of our trade deficit and americans desire to cheap products is a sacrafice along the lines of patriotism during a time of war... Bush told Americans to shop for the war effort... Who is to blame? Morans!!!
I'd bet my nuts this fuck , if he voted, voted for Bush!!!
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| 1st October 2007 05:23 PM |
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
>I'm just waiting for one of you foaming at the mouth lunatics to call me a "deniar"...I got news for you kooks...the nations of India and China are set to surpass the US economy within the next 25 years...<
Well that's "Globaliztion", ... but that's our US policy. Those Indian and Chinese factories are owned and built by American and Western European corporations. |
