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Topic: Jagger upset by Saga appearance. The whole SAGA article inside!!! Return to archive
08-23-01 02:38 PM
moy Some threads below there's the story about Jagger in Saga cover, this is what jagger thinks about it, that's why a posted it in a new thread

Jessica Hodgson
Thursday August 23, 2001



Mick Jagger is "very disappointed"
after an interview with him
appeared in Saga, a magazine for
the over-50s.

The Rolling Stone claims the
interview - about the film Enigma,
which he produced - was sold on to
the magazine by a freelance who
had initially said it would appear in
Screen International.

A spokesman for Jagger said there had been "no contact"
between him and the magazine over the interview.

"We're very disappointed that Saga and the journalist didn't have
the courtesy to ask permission," he said. "The way the media
has covered it, it looks like we went for it."

But the editor of Saga, Paul Bach, said he was assured twice
that Jagger knew where the article was going to appear.

A statement from the writer, Garth Pearce, who was unavailable
for comment, said he was "fully aware that the interview was
going to appear in the magazine".

Bach said McDonald and Rutter, the publicists for Jagger's film,
had even sent the magazine a photograph to accompany the
interview.

This morning the tabloids have lampooned Jagger, once famed
for his rock 'n' roll lifestyle, for appearing in a magazine next to
advertisements for products targeted at the elderly, such as
Stannah Stairlifts.
08-23-01 02:55 PM
moy and this is the article "the whole world is talking about! "

STILL IN SEARCH OF SATISFACTION

Garth Pearce talks to Rolling Stone Mick Jagger, the driving
force behind a patriotic film set in 1943... the year of his
birth


This was the most unlikely place to find Mick Jagger: next to an old steam train in the
heart of Leicestershire, producing a film, Enigma, in praise of that most British of
codebreaking triumphs during the Second World War. From the back, his slim frame and
long hair make him look like one of the director's young assistants, rather than the
mastermind of the 20 million film.

Up close and personal, it's another matter. His face is heavily creased, grey is
emerging deep amid hair dye and the body looks as if it has been through a few too
many debilitating diets. But, at 58, Jagger is still taking on challenges.

Enigma is certainly one of them. It has taken six years to bring to the screen the
Robert Harris bestseller, based on a true story set among the code and cipher experts
at Bletchley Park, Hertfordshire, which was Britain's top-secret Station X. It is also the
first film from Jagger's company, suitably named Jagged Films, to finally go through the
long process of being financed and delivered. The real surprise is that the ageing rock
star, who foolishly declared in the first flush of youth in The Rolling Stones that he
would never be seen dead on stage past the age of 30, has chosen such a subject.

He sees it in simple terms: "The story is set in 1943, the year I was born," he says,
without a trace of the street-smart Cockney accent he adopted for so many years.
"The Official Secrets Act made sure that no-one knew about the codebreakers' work
until the early 1970s. I hadn't really known anything about it until I read the book. It
was one of the last secrets of the war and I found it fascinating."

The film faithfully follows the Harris mixture of fiction and fact. The facts include the
work at Bletchley itself, opened by the government amid much secrecy in 1938, a year
before the war, where eventually 12,000 people would be employed. The Enigma
machine was the main coding device used by the German armed forces and rail
system. They never discovered that, after a machine was captured by the British from
a U-boat, a vast team of mathematicians, linguists, electrical engineers and
intelligence specialists at Bletchley were able to break their codes. The knowledge was
used to help shorten the war by many months.

The fictional aspect is based on an unexpected change by Nazi U-boats of the code
by which they communicate with each other and German High Command. An Allied
merchant convoy, crossing the Atlantic with 10,000 people and vital supplies, is in
danger of attack. The authorities turn for help to one man who can save them: Tom
Jericho (Dougray Scott), a brilliant but flawed young mathematician.

He is brought back to Bletchley, despite having had a nervous breakdown following a
failed love affair with the beautiful Claire (Saffron Burrows),who has disappeared at the
very point when there have been fears that there could be a spy at the Park. To try
to solve both mysteries, Jericho enlists the help of Hester (Kate Winslet), Claire's best
friend. Together, they keep one step ahead of the secret services as they investigate
Claire's mysterious life, an international cover-up and betrayal.

Jagger seems slightly surprised to find himself getting such a patriotic story filmed in
the first place. "I was not exactly talked in to starting a film company, but so many
people said that I should," he says. "If I had been left completely to my own devices,
it would never have happened. Although I am hard-working, I am also slightly lazy. So
I would have said, 'Sounds good - but I can't be bothered.' Eventually, I was sitting
around Los Angeles and one of these guys in the movie business offered me a deal. I
thought, 'It seems fated that I should get involved'."

But once Jagger was involved, pride took over. He swiftly discovered that there was
more to films than empty Hollywood promises. He bought the rights to the Harris book
and then talked himself to a standstill. "We could not get the American money to make
this unless we changed it to an American story," he says. "And how can you transplant
this to somewhere like Philadelphia?" Well, anything is possible in Hollywood, of course.
The Americans produced a successful film last year, U-571, in which history was
rewritten yet again and the capture of the Enigma was put down to the USA."

Jagger, though, was made of sterner stuff and showed a surprising streak of
patriotism. Tom Stoppard, arguably our best living playwright, with a superb track
record over 30 years, including an Oscar for Shakespeare in Love, was hired to deliver
a screenplay. Michael Apted, who successfully directed the last James Bond film, The
World Is Not Enough, agreed to direct. And he hired some of the best young British
talent around in Scott, Winslet and Burrows, plus scene-stealing actor Jeremy Northam
as the spymaster, Wigram.

"I believe in British films and British talent," Jagger says. "It is no secret that we've had
some of the best technicians and film crews around for years. We are now getting a
crop of strong young actors coming through who are acceptable to Americans and
American audiences. I am not against having an American actor in any future film, so
long as they are good. Where it goes wrong is having to employ an American who is no
good, just to keep the financiers happy." The only jarring note is that much of the
money for Enigma came from, of all places, Germany. "We could not get British
backing, oddly enough," says Jagger, looking rightly pained. "I find the business side of
it all boring and ghastly. Some people get their kicks out of deals, trying to steal from
everybody. I just wanted to make the movie. I wished I could have made just one
phone call and done the whole deal, but I couldn't."

He could have made one call, of course: to his own bank manager. But Jagger, canny
as ever, would not be drawn into investing some of his own millions. "I put in seed
money, but not heavy stuff," he says, slightly awkwardly. "It is an absolute rule."

He is also even more sensitive to financial matters than usual, having in 1999 signed
away his mansion in Richmond on Thames, Surrey, to partner Jerry Hall after their final
break-up. She also took 7 million and monthly maintenance. When Jerry finally gave
up on their relationship, after one Jagger affair too many, he contested their "divorce"
on the successful grounds that their "marriage" in Bali in 1990 was not legal.

They had four children during their 23 years together: Elizabeth Scarlett, 17, James,
15, Georgia May, eight, and three-year-old Gabriel. He is also paying for a young son,
Lucas, with Brazilian model Luciana Morad. Mother and child live in a 1,800 a month
flat in Manhattan, New York. Well, Jagger still sings: "I Can't Get No Satisfaction".

So just what is the latest on his complex personal life? The man who was every
mother's nightmare in the 1960s, with his strutting style, rock music and constant
womanising, is now something of a grandmother's nightmare. The age gap has yawned
like a canyon. His latest girlfriend is model Sophie Dahl, aged 23. She is not to be
confused with Venezuelan Vanessa Neumann - "The Cracker from Caracas" - aged 29.
Nor socialite and novelist Ortensia Visconti. And what happened to models Carla Bruni
and Jana Rajlich? Oh, yes, that was last year.

What they would make of a set of railway sidings, 50 film extras with Brylcreemed hair
and 1940s suits, a ton of coal being loaded on to a train tender and a local pub
offering faggots and peas as the dish of the day, is anyone's guess. Jagger, though,
seems to take it in his stride.

"I made a rule to myself, when I started in all this, that I was not going to be
heavy-handed," he says. "I did not want to come on to the film set very often. And,
when I did, I wanted to be encouraging. Since it was my idea in the first place and I
got the whole deal together, it is very tempting to have a lot to say. But I have learnt
when to keep my mouth shut."

Jagger has, indeed, kept silent in recent times. Even when we met on the film set, he
wanted to telephone his publicist to check on whether he should talk. Someone
tactfully pointed out that this was not 1966 and he was a couple of years short of 60.
Perhaps he was grown up enough to make his own decisions?

But he mostly talks good sense. "In making this film, we worry that we might have
missed something," he says. "We don't want a lot of letters appearing in newspapers
objecting to a lack of accuracy. It is taken from a fictional book, but it does represent
people's lives. So we have consulted a lot of people who worked at Bletchley to get
the details right. Some of those who have talked like to keep their secrets even today.
Their grown-up children and grandchildren still don't know what they did."

Bletchley Park could not be used for filming. It was protected from demolition in 1991
after a campaign by a former MI5 employee, Tony Sale. It now houses a museum of
wartime memorabilia but is surrounded by too many modern buildings to successfully
re-create the early 1940s. So the film crew used Chicheley Hall, a large mansion to the
north of London and built temporary huts around it to match the look of the site at the
time. Tony Sale acted as technical consultant during filming.

There was also a nice touch for Jagger, who has always had a healthy disregard for
convention, in the decision to make the characters colourful and odd. When Winston
Churchill visited Bletchley during the war to make a speech to the codebreakers, he
thought they were ill-dressed,ill-mannered and overly eccentric. He remarked, "When I
said look under every stone to find suitable personnel, I did not mean it to be taken so
literally."

Perhaps it is fitting, then, that Mick Jagger, the man from the Stones, is finally bringing
their story to the screen.

Enigma is released on September 2
08-23-01 05:44 PM
moy
08-23-01 11:14 PM
VoodooChileInWOnderl Not-so-new faces

23 Aug 2001

"PLEASE allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste..." Well, what a charming old
'Back off, gran. I'm only doing it for the publicity.'
gentleman! But who is he?


'Back off, gran. I'm only doing it for the publicity.'


The face certainly looks familiar, as it stares out from the front cover of Saga magazine, the monthly magazine for the over-50s. But he's difficult to place.

With his pastel-coloured rugby shirt, he could be the presenter of a gardening programme, or possibly a campaigner on environmental issues who is friends with Prince Charles. Hmm... no, still can't place him.

Fortunately the Times is at hand, and it has helpfully printed a large picture of said magazine cover, in keeping with its policy of giving free publicity to anyone who wants it.

The old gent turns out to be Mick Jagger, who is 58 this year and is plugging his movie Enigma, which is all about code-breaking at Bletchley Park during the Second World War - an event Mick is old enough to have experienced, albeit as a baby.

As for that picture, it's no wonder we didn't recognise him. The paper reports that the shot was taken using soft lighting, and is "at least six years old". Nearly as old as Mick's latest girlfriend, in fact.
08-26-01 06:24 PM
Gazza >As for that picture, it's no wonder we didn't recognise him. The paper reports that the shot was taken using soft lighting, and is "at least six years old".

Going by the shirt,it looks to me like the same one hes wearing on a TV interview I have from around 1982-83
08-26-01 10:27 PM
VoodooChileInWOnderl This was the header yesterday, I'm reposting it here as someone asked for it.



Again thanks Susana for providing the pic.
[Edited by VoodooChileInWOnderl]

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