September 28th, 2005 02:01 PM |
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Jair |
Anyhow, it seems they now running out to fix some mistakes.
Down here in Brasil is the first time Virgin is doing a massive publicity campaign about ABB. And it starts AFTER the ABB release.
There are big posters, banners and paper boxes in the Stores showing the ABB draws, tongue, etc.
btw, i paid $ 50 for a Stones ABB poster, about 1 meter X 1,20 or so.
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September 28th, 2005 04:25 PM |
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quote: The_Worst wrote:
The bottom line is half the people in America who I went to the shows with didn't even know that the Stones had a new album out. Bottom line, most of the people who go to the shows want to hear Satisfaction & Start me Up rather than Rough Justice & Back of my Hand.... Sad but true...
I can understand 100% that the vast majority of people are there to hear the old material but I honestly find it almost impossible to believe that so many people going to a Stones show in America this year wouldnt even be aware of the fact that they have made a new record
I'm not doubting your word in the slightest but I'm amazed that so many people can be THAT clueless. Not interested in buying it is one thing. Not even knowing about it is mind-boggling. I mean, even the fuss over Sweet Neocon gave it more publicity outside of the usual entertainment circles
Most of the people I know who DONT like the Stones even know they have a new record. Yet people who pay a week's wage for a concert ticket to see the band are unaware of it. With 'fans' like that, they honestly may as well give up
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September 28th, 2005 04:35 PM |
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Jair |
quote: Gazza wrote:
I can understand 100% that the vast majority of people are there to hear the old material but I honestly find it almost impossible to believe that so many people going to a Stones show in America this year wouldnt even be aware of the fact that they have made a new record
I'm not doubting your word in the slightest but I'm amazed that so many people can be THAT clueless. Not interested in buying it is one thing. Not even knowing about it is mind-boggling. I mean, even the fuss over Sweet Neocon gave it more publicity outside of the usual entertainment circles
Most of the people I know who DONT like the Stones even know they have a new record. Yet people who pay a week's wage for a concert ticket to see the band are unaware of it. With 'fans' like that, they honestly may as well give up
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Come on, Gazza, why are you so hurted about all this matter?
Gimme some good reasons, PLEASE.
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September 28th, 2005 04:38 PM |
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Gazza |
you dont think its demoralising for any artist to make a record that most of the people who are paying so much to go to their concerts arent even AWARE of? |
September 28th, 2005 04:42 PM |
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The_Worst |
quote: Gazza wrote:
I'm not doubting your word in the slightest but I'm amazed that so many people can be THAT clueless. Not interested in buying it is one thing. Not even knowing about it is mind-boggling. I mean, even the fuss over Sweet Neocon gave it more publicity outside of the usual entertainment circles
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Gazza, I hear you but I swear half the people I hung out with asked me "Do they have a new album or something"? & "Do you think they will play Brown Sugar"? I think the press conference even pushes this further. When it was on the news in May most news agencies said something to the effect of "Today, the Rolling Stones held a press conference to announce a new world tour". Then usually a few sentences later they mention "They are touring to support a new album" In other words, the emphasis is on the tour rather than the album.
Regarding the 50% that did know a new album was out, I would say that about 90% of them knew because of "Sweet Neocon". If it hadn't been for that, little more than hardcore fans would have know about the album.
The bottom line is the Stones are still putting out great music. Sadly America today buys hip hop not rock 'n roll with exceptions few & far between. However, I'd rather have the Stones have a rocking album that doesn't sell well than have a smash #1 album because they sold out.
If the Stones really wanted a #1 album Mick & Keith could record a re-make of Satisfaction with P. Diddy (or whatever the hell his name is) & I'd bet money that it would skyrocket both the single & album to #1 on the charts. I don't think ANY of us would want to see that!! |
September 28th, 2005 06:14 PM |
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diegostone |
here in Uruguay (my country)in the musics houses is at the first position of solded albums. |
September 28th, 2005 07:46 PM |
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Soldatti |
quote: diegostone wrote:
here in Uruguay (my country)in the musics houses is at the first position of solded albums.
Just like Argentina. |
September 29th, 2005 09:24 AM |
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Jair |
quote: Gazza wrote:
you dont think its demoralising for any artist to make a record that most of the people who are paying so much to go to their concerts arent even AWARE of?
Come on, is crystal, the Americans are just pretending they dont care about Sweet Neocon.
Man, i said once, the Stones can't enter in your home, say you are a shit and go ahead impune.
The America is givin to the Stones a hard lesson. Everybody knows the US people is very patriotic.
I am NOT at all (a patriot), for example, but if the song was about Brasil, probably I'd burn all my Stones CDs and send them fuck themselves.
What the hell they think they are, anyway?
After 9/11, and after all they have done (or think so), plus soldiers coming in body bags every week, would you dare calling shits?
The Green Day is not a good example. They are a bunch of retards, people dont take them seriously. Now, THE ROLLING STONES, which used to be the most respected rock and roll band in America, doing crap like Sweet Neocon?
Mick probably got the Alzheimer disease. Or his arrogance make him blind.
And A-ha, before you say it,
bláblábláblábláblábláblábláblá!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[edited by Paul MC)
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September 29th, 2005 07:19 PM |
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Soldatti |
quote: Jair wrote:
Now, THE ROLLING STONES, which used to be the most respected rock and roll band in America, doing crap like Sweet Neocon?
They lost the US credibility 25-30 years ago, not now. |
September 29th, 2005 07:22 PM |
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jb |
Gazza is correct....this must be utterly humiliating to all but Keef who only cares about his 2 lame songs and POC movie. |
September 30th, 2005 12:44 AM |
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Bloozehound |
Lots of interesting theories abounding around in here, but lets just be honest, one of the main reasons ABB is not selling is because it sucks!
pure and simple
the proofs in the pudding, look at Soldatti's posted numbers of Stones album sales since SW, each album the sales numbers dwindled significantly more than the previous one
The Stones USA buying-public has lost interest over the years due to lackluster, tepid albums from the "Worlds Greatest Rock n Roll band", then the BIG whammy of an overlong 8-year-gap between the last ones, people have simply lost interest 'cept for their rabid hardcore following
Just a pure case of fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me three times....four times...chirp chirp go the crickets
But I hear being a cricket ain't all that bad, cause they still have alotta SOL~ |
September 30th, 2005 02:24 AM |
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corgi37 |
Basically, my theory, is that older fans couldnt care less about new music, average half assed fans didnt bother waiting 8 years, and got into other bands, and younger potential fans just wouldnt be seen dead buying an album by a bunch of geriatrics. And, black folk just aint gonna buy it at all.
But the biggest problem is that most people will be downloading the sucker from the net for nix. And, good on 'em.
I think its a great album, but ya know, i'm back to playing Exile, SF and TY. I'll probably get back into it if they tour here. |
September 30th, 2005 02:41 AM |
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stonedinaustralia |
quote: Bloozehound wrote:
the proofs in the pudding,
once again i remind everyone that the proof is not in the pudding - the proof of the pudding is in the eating
pedantically yours
SIA |
September 30th, 2005 02:45 AM |
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stonedinaustralia |
quote: The_Worst wrote:
If the Stones really wanted a #1 album Mick & Keith could record a re-make of Satisfaction with P. Diddy (or whatever the hell his name is) & I'd bet money that it would skyrocket both the single & album to #1 on the charts. I don't think ANY of us would want to see that!!
well i don't know about that - i'd be interested to at least hear it
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September 30th, 2005 05:17 AM |
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Pierre |
http://www.billboard.com/bb/charts/bb200.jsp
Stones are N°25 in the top Album Charts |
September 30th, 2005 09:53 AM |
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Jair |
Now I'd LOVE to know who says FIRST that ABB was
the best Stones album since Tattoo You or even since Exile!
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September 30th, 2005 07:07 PM |
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Soldatti |
quote: Jair wrote:
Now I'd LOVE to know who says FIRST that ABB was
the best Stones album since Tattoo You or even since Exile!
It's the best since Tattoo You. |
October 1st, 2005 12:10 AM |
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time is on my side |
Absolutely, ABB is their best since TATTOO YOU. In my book, it's not even that close. |
October 1st, 2005 06:36 PM |
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Some Guy |
I was at a Disc go Round, where you can buy and sell used cd's and stuff. This guy tried to trade in a Bigger Bang, the dude behind the counter said he couldn't buy it because he had too many. On his way out the door the guy tossed it in the trash can. |
October 1st, 2005 08:03 PM |
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monkeygrip |
quote: Joey wrote:
The album is a bust ( see : DENVER ... WIDE OPEN at the $400.00 level ) .
Flacky
Really now. Please tell me how I can score one of those wide open $400 seats. Is ticketbastard just denying me the privilege? |
October 1st, 2005 10:30 PM |
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Bloozehound |
quote: Some Guy wrote:
I was at a Disc go Round, where you can buy and sell used cd's and stuff. This guy tried to trade in a Bigger Bang, the dude behind the counter said he couldn't buy it because he had too many. On his way out the door the guy tossed it in the trash can.
LOL~!
thanks, I needed a good laugh
ps
I was hitting the used bins last week and I saw a few ABBs too
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October 2nd, 2005 09:54 AM |
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corgi37 |
The sooner they release a Christmas album, the better. |
October 2nd, 2005 02:26 PM |
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DAVINO |
Jair, this is quite a shabby way to evaluate the band, especially after you edited your blurb and it is still infantile grammatically. I will have to dismiss your suppositions based upon that.
quote: Jair wrote:
The fact is: Mick is no longer worried in write good songs, build great melodies e intel lyrics, etc etc etc.
Mick is just & simple a business man, not a real artist.
He is using the Stones purely & simply to make money,
not to make music.
The result we can see clearly. His strategy is no working anymore.
My ABB album leave my stereo a few days now, & in its place is the new Macca, which, at least, is showing some concerning in write good lyrics and melodies.
No, I'm not in the wrong board. Just listen both and think.
Also, no one of those ABB tracks will become a "classic" Rolling Stones tune. And, in some yrs, you wont see they playing any of those ABB tracks in their concerts, because is all the same shit.
As usual, Joey was right: the album is a BUST!
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October 2nd, 2005 10:23 PM |
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Soldatti |
quote: corgi37 wrote:
The sooner they release a Christmas album, the better.
They need to sell the new album at a lower price. Live Licks went to bargain in UK and is on chart again, a year after of their release. |
October 3rd, 2005 12:55 PM |
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Jair |
quote: DAVINO wrote:
Jair, this is quite a shabby way to evaluate the band, especially after you edited your blurb and it is still infantile grammatically. I will have to dismiss your suppositions based upon that.
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DAVINO,
And who are you, a English teacher?
That my English is very poor, I know, but it's not my first languague, so you could be a bit kind and gimme a break on this, right?
When I'm writing here i know I'm doing alot of grammatical mistakes and I feel shame about it. So, I don't need you criticism, I'm my own critical, thank you. I won't leave the board because of you.
As a decent American, I think you should apologize. Otherwise I'll think Davino is only a whore's artistic name.
PS - Have you edited your msg or its just my imagination?
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