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September 25th, 2004 01:32 AM
Bloozehound IT HAD IT PLUSSES AND MINESSES, OVERALL iLL SAY MINUS

stones rulez

The Flag rulz

OVERALl punk sucked

few good riffs from the ramones or sex pistols
all barrowed from the stones
maybe .....


[Edited by Bloozehound]
September 25th, 2004 01:39 AM
Bloozehound
gg ALLIN WAS PUNK ROCK\

HATED

u gona be punk then u going be GG allin
September 25th, 2004 01:54 AM
Jaxx i remember when the genre began. i saw "x", the dead kennedys, the plasmatics (remember wendo-o?) to name the few i can remember. does "the cure" count? however i DO have ties to punk. my cousin is the lead singer for the punk rock band, bouncing souls.

cousin gregg


the booze cruise to the statue of liberty last august to celebrate the release of Anchors Away was a blast. their performance was stellar. however, i don't particularly care for punk. while it moves for social change, its just too angry and violent (you won't catch me near a mosh pit.....) to be taken seriously by mass culture so IMO the message is lost.
September 25th, 2004 02:07 AM
Bloozehound
quote:
Jaxx wrote:
i don't particularly care for punk. while it moves for social change, its just too angry and violent (you won't catch me near a mosh pit.....) to be taken seriously by mass culture so IMO the message is lost.



it did nothing to progress the music, it was to angry....amen
[Edited by Bloozehound]
September 25th, 2004 02:33 AM
beer GG had no talent at all. he was really disturbed, thats about it.

I will not try to defend punk rock music on this board anymore, there's no reason to. ya either get it or ya don't. period.

You're right, punk did absolutely nothing for music. God Bless Disco! That was truely the way forward. YEAH!
Fuck guitar based ROCK AND ROLL.

Yes, it was wrong for a select few early punk bands to disrespect The bands that paved the way. It was silly for the Pistols to dis the Stones, obviously.

BUT

Punk does not mean angry and violent! that is a very old take on it. very old.
September 25th, 2004 02:35 AM
Bloozehound Oi!
September 25th, 2004 02:47 AM
beer Oi, oi, oi!!

you's funny Bloozy!
September 25th, 2004 02:49 AM
Bloozehound shit dude u try to watch jersy girl

September 25th, 2004 03:06 AM
beer jersy girl? whats that? Farenhiegt was playin at the theatre tonight along with 'supersize me'. they were playin at the community theater, you can drink in there, but i didnt make it.
Did you see "Supersize Me"?
September 25th, 2004 05:44 AM
Bloozehound garage rockers dont forget about the first psychedelic band


September 25th, 2004 05:53 AM
Bloozehound
September 25th, 2004 05:58 AM
Bloozehound
September 25th, 2004 07:31 AM
mac_daddy i have always liked/adored...

the clash
the minutemen/watt
X
ramones (although i didn't consider them punk)


i also remember really diggin' (circa 4th - 6th grade) "wild in the streets" by the circle jerks and a tape a friend made for me of the expoited. i actually still have both cassettes


i never liked the sex pistols.
September 25th, 2004 09:09 AM
gypsymofo60 Punk!!!!!!!!!!!!What's the definition?....I mean! Television?...The PattI Smith Group?... The Clash?(hardly!).....Ramones? Sham69? I could go on forever. What's the point without punk; the future of popular music would've been Emerson, Lake and Mrs. Jones you've got a lovely daughter.
September 25th, 2004 10:29 AM
mac_daddy
quote:
gypsymofo60 wrote:
Punk!!!!!!!!!!!!What's the definition?....I mean! Television?...The PattI Smith Group?... The Clash?(hardly!).....Ramones? Sham69? I could go on forever. What's the point without punk; the future of popular music would've been Emerson, Lake and Mrs. Jones you've got a lovely daughter.



well put.
September 25th, 2004 12:51 PM
Sir Stonesalot If ya wanna get technical...there has ALWAYS been Punk. Since the very beginnings of Rock and Roll music, there has always been a fringe element of people making unhinged, aggressive, hard edged music. IMO, the first form Punk was termed Rockabilly. Think about it, music made by "musicians" with marginal technical ability that is quick tempo, simple, melodic, fun with loads of attitude. It is music that can be made by anyone. If you listen to some of those early Sun singles....you can clearly hear the attitude dripping from the speakers. Sure there's some bum notes, some off key, otta tune hollerin', but the one thing that clearly comes across is FUN. Plain ol' shake yer ass fun. Check out the compilation "Sun Records: 25 Red Hot Rockabilly Classics".

In the mid 60's, Punk music poked it's ugly head through the muck again. Kids across the US were galvanized by the Beatles and the Stones to pick up a guitar and try to play Rock and Roll music. The results, often times, was pretty pathetic. But every once in a while, a band would creep up with a song or two that was simply dynamite. Again, it was simple music, made by marginal musicians, that was dripping with attitude, and above all...was FUN. Latch onto the Rhino Records "Nuggets" box for some fine examples.

When 70's Punk...the "Punk" movement that most people think about when you say the word "Punk"...sprang up in London and New York, they were simply doing what hundreds of bands before them did. They just started playing. Ask Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols what he was trying to do, and he'll tell you they were trying to play like The Who. The Ramones couldn't figure out how to play cover songs...so they just wrote stuff that they could actually play. Thie big difference in the 70's Punk movement is that the media picked up on it, and hyped it to the Nth degree. But again, it was just simple, hard edged music that was fun and dripping with attitude. A lot if it was shit, but the stuff that wasn't shit was magic. Magic enough that The Stones even dabbled in it on Some Girls.

Punk music has continued on in the 80's & 90's, right up to today. Not everyone gets it, and that's fine. In fact, I'm glad for that. They can say that the people making this music are not very good musicians...and they would be right. They can say that the songs are simplistic crap, and a lot of the time...they are right. But every now and then, the stars line up just right, and four guys(or girls) come up with a tune that just slays people. Sometimes they come up with a whole album that kills. These songs and albums come out all the time. The thing is, you gotta find 'em yourself. You can't rely on commercial radio, or a big record company, or even Rolling Stone to help you out....they ain't interested in it. I mean, Blink 182, Sum41, New Found Glory, Dashboard Confessional....it's shit. You gotta put on your Vasco De Gama hat and explore. The things you find on your journey can astound, confound, and make you wiggle yer ass. I think it's worth the effort anyway.

Tonite I go see Chuck Prophet and The Ol' 97's. Next month Dead Moon....Nov. The Woggles & Holly Golightly...Dec The Pixies.
September 25th, 2004 04:42 PM
Soldatti The Ramones: best punk band ever
End of discution...
September 25th, 2004 05:09 PM
LadyJane I think SS summed it up perfectly.

For me, as a teenager in the '70s punk was a godsend. Disco sucked and Classic Rock was pathetic.

So I got turned on to the local underground music scene, and it changed my life. I finally found the balls to say "Fuck You" to the "in crowd". For me, the beat and the ATTITUDE reminded me of the Stones. Most of the "punk" bands I knew did at least one Stones cover.

The Ramones, The Stooges, The Cramps, The Pistols, Black Flag, MC5, X, Dead Kennedys, The Clash....it was all good.

For the record, I never went for the safety pins, mohawk, black makeup and torn clothes....but I could "slam dance" with the best of them. Ahhh...good memories.

LJ.
[Edited by LadyJane]
September 25th, 2004 08:52 PM
Dan SS summed it up perfectly.

I never really considered the Ramones punk either. They may be towards the top of the family tree. If you get an opportunity to see "End Of The Century" it explains why in the beginning they tried to disassociate themselves from the label. They were just a basic rock n roll band who tried to strip it down to its barest essence.

SS - I saw the Pixies on Wed and Thurs - awesome shows, you wont be disappointed.
September 25th, 2004 09:53 PM
Scottfree
quote:
Soldatti wrote:
The Ramones: best punk band ever
End of discution...



Pardon the interruption, the Stones circa 78 were the best punk band ever.....
September 25th, 2004 10:21 PM
Bloozehound keith and brian jones were two of the original punks
September 26th, 2004 12:57 AM
beer
quote:
Bloozehound wrote:
keith and brian jones were two of the original punks




Absolutely.

"You can't out-punk Keith." - Mick Jagger
September 26th, 2004 01:59 AM
Soldatti
quote:
Scottfree wrote:


Pardon the interruption, the Stones circa 78 were the best punk band ever.....



Maybe, but the Stones never were into the punk always.
What about The Clash slogan "No Beatles, No Elvis, No Stones"?
September 26th, 2004 08:06 PM
stonedinaustralia
quote:
Soldatti wrote:


"No Beatles, No Elvis, No Stones"?



a much misinterpreted line

joe strummer has always acknowledged that he was a big fan of the stones

the line doesn't so much diss the stones as suggest that in '77 there were no bands around who carried the torch or continued the tradition of those artists as the archetypal punks ('tho i think including the beatles in that is a bit generous although john lennon certainly had a an "up yours" kind of attitude)


interesting to read above that some don't consider the ramones a punk band - funny, others would say the defined the genre

and don't forget Eddie Cochrane





[Edited by stonedinaustralia]
September 26th, 2004 10:44 PM
Soldatti
quote:
stonedinaustralia wrote:
joe strummer has always acknowledged that he was a big fan of the stones



Really?
Never heard about that but thanks for the information.
September 27th, 2004 12:42 AM
Sir Stonesalot >and don't forget Eddie Cochrane<

Right. Or Gene Vincent.
September 27th, 2004 02:25 AM
Bloozehound
quote:
Sir Stonesalot wrote:
If ya wanna get technical...there has ALWAYS been Punk. Since the very beginnings of Rock and Roll music, there has always been a fringe element of people making unhinged, aggressive, hard edged music. IMO, the first form Punk was termed Rockabilly.




Then by this rational Elvis Presley was the first punk rocker. His early Sun work was the first true echo laden, slapbackin', rockabilly madness.

I love old rockabilly, especially the stuff mentioned like Gene Vincent, Carl Perkins, Link Wray, and Eddie Cochran, but I don't agree that rockabilly and punk rock are direct decendants, distant cousins maybe, but not necessarily directly related, it's a stretch.

Speaking of which, have any of you guys ever heard Sleepy LaBeef ? He's some badass, hardcore rockabilly shit. There's a dude here with a LaBeef link in his sig, I'd never heard him before, so I checked it, and it blew me away, Boogie Woogie Country Girl is a fuckin' jam. He's been around since the beginning of time, but is still out there rockin' today. I've got to remember to put this cat on my list for my next cd shopping spree

September 27th, 2004 02:33 AM
stonedinaustralia
quote:
Bloozehound wrote:



Then by this rational Elvis Presley was the first punk rocker.




Exactly
September 27th, 2004 02:58 AM
Bloozehound
quote:
stonedinaustralia wrote:


Exactly



no

he was the first rockabilly artist




September 27th, 2004 03:16 AM
stonedinaustralia well as you said yourself boozehound "by this rational (sic.)" - and by that rationale elvis WAS the first punk rocker

obviously it all comes down to definitions - you know, i presume, some describe a "punk" as a jail in-mate who provides sexual favours to a physically intimidating prisoner in exchange for protection from the other in-mates - aside from sid vicious (and dee ramone???)i can't think of any "punks" who might possibly qualify

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