| 29th September 2006 09:17 AM |
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| RollingstonesUSA |
SAN SEBASTIAN, Spain — Filmmaker Oliver Stone blasted President George W. Bush Thursday, saying he has "set America back 10 years."
Stone added that he is "ashamed for my country" over the war in Iraq and the U.S. policies in response to the attacks of Sept. 11.
"We have destroyed the world in the name of security," Stone told journalists at the San Sebastian International Film Festival prior to a screening of his latest movie, "World Trade Center." The film tells the true story of the survival and rescue of two policemen who were trapped in the rubble of the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, after they went to help people escape.
"From Sept. 12 on, the incident (the attacks) was politicized and it has polarized the entire world," said Stone. "It is a shame because it is a waste of energy to see that the entire world five years later is still convulsed in the grip of 9/11.
"It's a waste of energy away from things that do matter which is poverty, death, disease, the planet itself and fixing things in our own homes rather than fighting wars with others. Mr. Bush has set America back 10 years, maybe more."
The director of blockbusters such as "Platoon," and "JFK" said the U.S. reaction to the attacks was out of proportion.
"If there had been a better sense of preparation, if we had a leadership that was more mature," he said. "We did not fight back in the same way that the British fought the IRA or the Spanish government fought the Basques here. Terrorism is a manageable action. It can be lived with," said Stone.
Stone rejected allegations that U.S. authorities may have known about the attacks in advance and said the real conspiracy came after.
"I think that conspiracy-mongering on 9/11 is a waste of time," he said. "The far greater conspiracy occurred after 9/11 when basically a neo-cabal inside our government hijacked policy and went to war. That was as broad a conspiracy as we can get and it was about 20, 30 people. That's all, they took over and all these books are coming out and they are pointing it out," said Stone.
"This war on Iraq is a disaster. I'm disgraced. I'm ashamed for my country," he said. "I'm also ashamed that America has attacked itself with its constitutional breakdowns. I'm deeply ashamed."
In the United States' favor, Stone posited that it's not responsible for all the world's problems.
"You can't see that the United States is responsible for all the evil in the world because you can see so many dictators and so many bestial acts all over the world now. .... There is something in the human heart, the international human heart, that is evil," said Stone.
"That's the evil that turns its mind and ears on humanity and is able to say `I can kill a person in the name of God or religion.' This is not a human being, this a fanatic. And I fear that fanaticism is the result of our overreaction to 9/11," said Stone.
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| 29th September 2006 11:32 AM |
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| sirmoonie |
Everybody be smacking George Walker Bush III these days.
The best was when Mick Jagger did it over a hotel room during the Stones Euro-leg. Mick was on the phone all like "Get the fuck out of here George Walker Bush III. Go sleep in the meat locker behind all the tins of tuna fish, ya freakin' sweet neekie." |
| 29th September 2006 11:40 AM |
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| Jair |
Well, i agree with what he said in some points, but Oliver Stone can't be taken seriously. Check his movies. Enough said.
Any piece of insignifant crap in Oliver Stone hands becomes reason to fireworks.
Man, "Terrorism is a manageable action, which we(???) can be lived with? No fucking way, moron! 9/11 showed exactly the contrary.
Oliver is trying get good publicity, that is all.
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| 29th September 2006 11:53 AM |
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| the good |
yawn.... |
| 29th September 2006 11:55 AM |
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| glencar |
He does make some good points but they're the sort of points which actually knock Clinton too. Is that WTC movie on DVD yet? |
| 29th September 2006 12:15 PM |
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| sirmoonie |
quote:
Jair wrote:
Well, i agree with what he said in some points, but Oliver Stone can't be taken seriously. Check his movies. Enough said.
Oliver is trying get good publicity, that is all.
Yeah, he's a loon and has many bad movies. I always thought The Doors was cool though. But then I do a lot of drugs. |
| 29th September 2006 12:43 PM |
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| MrPleasant |
Oliver Stone was the greatest U.S. filmmaker in the nineties. Put Scorsese ('shorty' here always matches the zoom and the travelling with a rock song as background; he's predictable), his former "teacher", to shame.
And George Bush junior is the worst human being on the planet. |
| 29th September 2006 12:57 PM |
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| MrPleasant |
Ok, for no reason at all I got mad at Scorsese. Maybe because he wanted his fucking Oscar so bad; whatever. (I still think that Robert Redford did a terrific work in Ordinary People; check out how he applies the close-up; the dream sequence with a dancing Donald Sutherland is cheesy, though). He's still miles ahead of Señor Spilbergo, anyway. |
| 29th September 2006 01:05 PM |
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| Riffhard |
quote:
MrPleasant wrote:
And George Bush junior is the worst human being on the planet.
Possibly the most ridiculous post I have ever seen on this board. On so many levels. Stupid.
Riffy |
| 29th September 2006 01:07 PM |
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| glencar |
quote:
MrPleasant wrote:
Ok, for no reason at all I got mad at Scorsese. Maybe because he wanted his fucking Oscar so bad; whatever. (I still think that Robert Redford did a terrific work in Ordinary People; check out how he applies the close-up; the dream sequence with a dancing Donald Sutherland is cheesy, though). He's still miles ahead of Señor Spilbergo, anyway.
Spielberg is the worst. Manipulative, derivative & just not inneresting at all. But to list Redford as a good director shows your head is up your ass. He's a cut rate Spielberg. |
| 29th September 2006 01:09 PM |
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| Ten Thousand Motels |
Oliver Stones comments are minor stuff, of little consequence. The political buzz this weekened now, is going to be about Woodward's book. |
| 29th September 2006 05:52 PM |
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| Jair |
quote:
sirmoonie wrote:
Yeah, he's a loon and has many bad movies. I always thought The Doors was cool though. But then I do a lot of drugs.
Well, if you trying be ironic, didnt work.
For people like Oliver Stone, money is never enough. |
| 29th September 2006 05:55 PM |
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| pdog |
RS USA's voice should be heard loud and strong here. He is probably the only RO memeber that served in Iraq... |
| 29th September 2006 06:27 PM |
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| glencar |
quote:
Ten Thousand Motels wrote:
Oliver Stones comments are minor stuff, of little consequence. The political buzz this weekened now, is going to be about Woodward's book.
You're actually correct. |
| 29th September 2006 06:33 PM |
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| pdog |
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glencar wrote:
You're actually correct.
What do you think about Woodward? Do youu trust him or think it's BS? |
| 29th September 2006 07:02 PM |
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| not bound to please |
quote:
MrPleasant wrote:
Put Scorsese ('shorty' here always matches the zoom and the travelling with a rock song as background; he's predictable), his former "teacher", to shame.
Um...have you ever seen Scorpio Rising?
Marty is one of the few guys who gives his dues, and has used his influences well.
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| 29th September 2006 07:06 PM |
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| glencar |
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What do you think about Woodward? Do youu trust him or think it's BS?
That whole talking to William Casey on his deathbed nonsense taints everything else he writes. He certainly tells interesting tales though. |
| 29th September 2006 08:06 PM |
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| MrPleasant |
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glencar wrote:
But to list Redford as a good director shows your head is up your ass. He's a cut rate Spielberg.
I stand by my word. I don't care about The Horse Whisperer or The Milagro Beanfield War. Ordinary People was directed with craftmanship and confidence. I aldo think that Kramer Vs. Kramer (another thopic) was better than Apocalypse Now.
Scorsese is a (good) director who relies too much on montage. That's good, for a while, but sometimes it becomes excessive IMO. And the problem with Spielberg is that he almost implores you to cry. |
| 29th September 2006 08:09 PM |
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| MrPleasant |
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not bound to please wrote:
Um...have you ever seen Scorpio Rising?
Marty is one of the few guys who gives his dues, and has used his influences well.
I like Marty, but he's a tad over-rated. Clint Eastwood is over-rated as well, but people don't treat him like he's the only good filmmaker in the world.
There are two kinds of directors: the ones who care about what's in front of the camera or the ones who give too much damn importance to the camera. If I had to choose between Marty and Cassavetes, I'd prefer Cassavetes. I'm boring as that.
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| 29th September 2006 08:11 PM |
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| MrPleasant |
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Riffhard wrote:
Possibly the most ridiculous post I have ever seen on this board. On so many levels. Stupid.
Riffy
Sue me. Aren't you a Reagan fan?
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| 29th September 2006 08:31 PM |
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| Some Guy |
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pdog wrote:
RS USA's voice should be heard loud and strong here. He is probably the only RO memeber that served in Iraq...
and he met flava flav. |
| 29th September 2006 08:45 PM |
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| glencar |
quote:
MrPleasant wrote:
I like Marty, but he's a tad over-rated. Clint Eastwood is over-rated as well, but people don't treat him like he's the only good filmmaker in the world.
There are two kinds of directors: the ones who care about what's in front of the camera or the ones who give too much damn importance to the camera. If I had to choose between Marty and Cassavetes, I'd prefer Cassavetes. I'm boring as that.
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Scorcese basically made Goodfellas twice when he made Casino. Smae pacing, same music, just not as interesting. |
| 29th September 2006 08:46 PM |
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| glencar |
quote:
MrPleasant wrote:
I stand by my word. I don't care about The Horse Whisperer or The Milagro Beanfield War. Ordinary People was directed with craftmanship and confidence. I aldo think that Kramer Vs. Kramer (another thopic) was better than Apocalypse Now.
Scorsese is a (good) director who relies too much on montage. That's good, for a while, but sometimes it becomes excessive IMO. And the problem with Spielberg is that he almost implores you to cry.
Ordinary People was duller than a doorknob. Milagro was dull but it had some nice parts. Never saw the horsey one. I did like the one about flyfishing... |
| 29th September 2006 08:49 PM |
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| glencar |
I'm surprised they didn't do that in Euroland this past summer. They don't dare do it here! |
| 29th September 2006 08:49 PM |
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| pdog |
He will make a great Stones movie, and I hate to break it to you guys. It's gonna bash Bush too.
Remember where you heard it first... Sweet Neo-Cons! |
| 29th September 2006 08:50 PM |
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| glencar |
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glencar wrote:
I'm surprised they didn't do that in Euroland this past summer. They don't dare do it here!
I wrote this in response to yer post yet mine ended up on top!!!!!! |
| 29th September 2006 08:53 PM |
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| pdog |
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glencar wrote:
I wrote this in response to yer post yet mine ended up on top!!!!!!
On top, typical Alpha male shit!
Your a size queen and a top... LOL!
Anyway... It was ajoke about the movie... Gotcha!
I wonder if there's odd on Sweet Neo-Con being played for Bill's bash...
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| 29th September 2006 08:55 PM |
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| MrPleasant |
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glencar wrote:
Ordinary People was duller than a doorknob. Milagro was dull but it had some nice parts. Never saw the horsey one. I did like the one about flyfishing...
It's a matter of taste. That's all.
I don't even enjoy Stone's stuff that much. Or what he thinks about socialism. IMO he needs to go back to mexican cocaine. |
| 29th September 2006 08:55 PM |
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| pdog |
Mexican heroin sucks! |
| 29th September 2006 08:57 PM |
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| MrPleasant |
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Mexican heroin sucks!
It does, actually. That's why alcohol is my good pal. |
