quote:pdog wrote:
Danny Glover was a neighbor of mine many years ago, if I knew he would do this, I would've kicked his garbage cans over... He fooled me, played me like a cheap hooker! Should've expected this, he made movies with Mel Gibson!
Saw sucked....
22nd September 2006 01:52 AM
pdog
Never saw Saw, but I saw I'm Gonna Git You Sucka and Surf Nazi's Must Die! these are must see's!
22nd September 2006 01:56 AM
RollingstonesUSA
How much wood, would a woodchuck chuck, if a woodchuck, could chuck wood....
22nd September 2006 01:56 AM
sirmoonie
quote:pdog wrote:
Danny Glover was a neighbor of mine many years ago, if I knew he would do this, I would've kicked his garbage cans over... He fooled me, played me like a cheap hooker! Should've expected this, he made movies with Mel Gibson!
Danny Glover is black. Melvin is whitey. Hugo Chavez is hispanic. Shades of whitey.
22nd September 2006 01:57 AM
RollingstonesUSA
Why did we let this assholes in again?
22nd September 2006 02:05 AM
sirmoonie
quote:RollingstonesUSA wrote:
Why did we let this assholes in again?
Its a good thing ultimately. The U.N. is where countries are supposed to argue and present, and smaller countries are especially encouraged to say what they feel is important. This Hugo jackass just stepped over every bound of dipolmacy by several miles and, whether he knows it or not, sealed his fate and fucked his own country in the meantime.
I really wish the U.N. would at least give some vague announcement that his speech was unbecoming, although I suppose its hard for the U.N. to get anything done relative to politics. The U.N. is better suited for other purposes.
22nd September 2006 02:49 AM
Jumacfly
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....
22nd September 2006 03:30 AM
FotiniD
22nd September 2006 04:04 AM
Prodigal Son
Seems like the most ambitious and determined to become leaders end up being totally whacko a good 10% of the time. Anyway, it's some rate higher than the average amongst non-politicians. Yeah and what an ass Glover is. Jon Stewart made light of him and Mel tonight, saying "I'm amazed you two managed to squeeze 4 solid movies out. What did you talk about in the trailer, 'Well we gotta give back social funding and give the country back to the people, give them food and money and the freedom they desire.' 'Yeah, I know Danny, fucking Jews!" Riggs and Murtah=politically incorrect fools in real life. I hope soon we can all get back to discussing what is truly important; NFL football (yaaah Cowboys... oh who am I kidding, they always fuck it up when the hype says they'll be a playoff team).
22nd September 2006 04:13 AM
Ronnie Richards
quote:sirmoonie wrote:
Its a good thing ultimately. The U.N. is where countries are supposed to argue and present, and smaller countries are especially encouraged to say what they feel is important. This Hugo jackass just stepped over every bound of dipolmacy by several miles and, whether he knows it or not, sealed his fate and fucked his own country in the meantime.
I really wish the U.N. would at least give some vague announcement that his speech was unbecoming, although I suppose its hard for the U.N. to get anything done relative to politics. The U.N. is better suited for other purposes.
So, have you actually read his speech?
I quite like it, tho I'm sure he's a motherfucker like every other politician..
Here it is..
Venezuelan President, Hugo Chavez, Delivers Remarks to U.N. General Assembly, New York,
September 20th, 2006
HUGO CHAVEZ, PRESIDENT OF THE OLIVARIAN REPULIC OF VENEZUELA
Madam President, Excellencies, Heads of State, Heads of government and other government’s representatives, good morning.
First, and with all respect, I highly recommend this book by Noam Chomsky, one of the most prestigious intellectuals in America and the world, Chomsky. One of his most recent works: Hegemony or Survival: America’s Quest for Global Dominance (The American Empire Project) . It’s an excellent work to understand what’s happened in the world in the 20th Century, what’s currently happening, and the greatest threat on this planet; the hegemonic pretension of the North American imperialism endangers the human race’s survival.
We continue warning about this danger and calling on the very same U.S. people and the world to stop this threat, which resembles the Sword of Damocles over our heads. I had considered reading from this book, but for the sake of time, I shall just leave it as a recommendation. It reads easily. It's a very good book. I'm sure, Madam, you are familiar with it.
(APPLAUSE)
The book is in English, in Russian, in Arabic, in German.
I think that the first people who should read this book are our brothers and sisters in the United States, because their threat is in their own house. The devil is right at home. The devil -- the devil, himself, is right in the house.
And the devil came here yesterday.
(APPLAUSE)
Yesterday, the devil came here. Right here. Right here. And it smells of sulfur still today, this table that I am now standing in front of.
Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the president of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil, came here, talking as if he owned the world. Truly. As the owner of the world.
I think we could call a psychiatrist to analyze yesterday's statement made by the president of the United States. As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to share his nostrums, to try to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world.
An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: "The Devil's Recipe."
As Chomsky says here, clearly and in depth, the American empire is doing all it can to consolidate its system of domination. And we cannot allow them to do that. We cannot allow world dictatorship to be consolidated.
The world parent's statement -- cynical, hypocritical, full of this imperial hypocrisy from the need they have to control everything.
They say they want to impose a democratic model. But that's their democratic model. It's the false democracy of elites, and, I would say, a very original democracy that's imposed by weapons and bombs and firing weapons.
What a strange democracy. Aristotle might not recognize it or others who are at the root of democracy.
What type of democracy do you impose with marines and bombs?
The president of the United States, yesterday, said to us, right here, in this room, and I'm quoting, "Anywhere you look, you hear extremists telling you can escape from poverty and recover your dignity through violence, terror and martyrdom."
Wherever he looks, he sees extremists. And you, my brother -- he looks at your color, and he says, oh, there's an extremist. Evo Morales, the worthy president of Bolivia, looks like an extremist to him.
The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It's not that we are extremists. It's that the world is waking up. It's waking up all over. And people are standing up.
I have the feeling, dear world dictator, that you are going to live the rest of your days as a nightmare because the rest of us are standing up, all those who are rising up against American imperialism, who are shouting for equality, for respect, for the sovereignty of nations.
Yes, you can call us extremists, but we are rising up against the empire, against the model of domination.
The president then -- and this he said himself, he said: "I have come to speak directly to the populations in the Middle East, to tell them that my country wants peace."
That's true. If we walk in the streets of the Bronx, if we walk around New York, Washington, San Diego, in any city, San Antonio, San Francisco, and we ask individuals, the citizens of the United States, what does this country want? Does it want peace? They'll say yes.
But the government doesn't want peace. The government of the United States doesn't want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage, of hegemony through war.
It wants peace. But what's happening in Iraq? What happened in Lebanon? In Palestine? What's happening? What's happened over the last 100 years in Latin America and in the world? And now threatening Venezuela -- new threats against Venezuela, against Iran?
He spoke to the people of Lebanon. Many of you, he said, have seen how your homes and communities were caught in the crossfire. How cynical can you get? What a capacity to lie shamefacedly.
The bombs in Beirut with millimetric precision? Is this crossfire?
He's thinking of a western, when people would shoot from the hip and somebody would be caught in the crossfire.
This is imperialist, fascist, assassin, genocidal, the empire and Israel firing on the people of Palestine and Lebanon. That is what happened. And now we hear, "We're suffering because we see homes destroyed.'
The president of the United States came to talk to the peoples -- to the peoples of the world. He came to say -- I brought some documents with me, because this morning I was reading some statements, and I see that he talked to the people of Afghanistan, the people of Lebanon, the people of Iran. And he addressed all these peoples directly.
And you can wonder, just as the president of the United States addresses those peoples of the world, what would those peoples of the world tell him if they were given the floor? What would they have to say?
And I think I have some inkling of what the peoples of the south, the oppressed people think. They would say, "Yankee imperialist, go home." I think that is what those people would say if they were given the microphone and if they could speak with one voice to the American imperialists.
And that is why, Madam President, my colleagues, my friends, last year we came here to this same hall as we have been doing for the past eight years, and we said something that has now been confirmed -- fully, fully confirmed.
I don't think anybody in this room could defend the system. Let's accept -- let's be honest. The U.N. system, born after the Second World War, collapsed. It's worthless.
Oh, yes, it's good to bring us together once a year, see each other, make statements and prepare all kinds of long documents, and listen to good speeches, like Evo's yesterday, or President Lula's. Yes, it's good for that.
And there are a lot of speeches, and we've heard lots from the president of Sri Lanka, for instance, and the president of Chile.
But we, the assembly, have been turned into a merely deliberative organ. We have no power, no power to make any impact on the terrible situation in the world. And that is why Venezuela once again proposes, here, today, September 20th, that we re-establish the United Nations.
Last year, Madam, we made four modest proposals that we felt to be crucially important. We have to assume the responsibility, our heads of state, our ambassadors, our representatives, and we have to discuss it.
The first is expansion, and Lula talked about this yesterday right here: The Security Council’s expansion, both regarding its permanent and non-permanent categories. New developed and developing countries, the Third World, must be given access as new permanent members. That's step one.
Second, effective methods to address and resolve world conflicts, transparent decisions.
Point three, the immediate suppression -- and that is something everyone's calling for -- of the anti-democratic mechanism known as the veto, the veto on decisions of the Security Council.
Let me give you a recent example. The immoral veto of the United States allowed the Israelis, with impunity, to destroy Lebanon. Right in front of all of us as we stood there watching, a resolution in the council was prevented.
Fourthly, we have to strengthen, as we've always said, the role and the powers of the secretary general of the United Nations.
Yesterday, the secretary general practically gave us his speech of farewell. And he recognized that over the last 10 years, things have just gotten more complicated; hunger, poverty, violence, human rights violations have just worsened. That is the tremendous consequence of the collapse of the United Nations system and American hegemonistic pretensions.
Madam , Venezuela a few years ago decided to wage this battle within the United Nations by recognizing the United Nations, as members of it that we are, and lending it our voice, our thinking.
Our voice is an independent voice to represent the dignity and the search for peace and the reformulation of the international system; to denounce persecution and aggression of hegemonistic forces on the planet.
This is how Venezuela has presented itself. Bolivar's home has sought a nonpermanent seat on the Security Council.
Let's see. Well, there's been an open attack by the U.S. government, an immoral attack, to try and prevent Venezuela from being freely elected to a post in the Security Council.
The imperium is afraid of truth, is afraid of independent voices. It calls us extremists, but they are the extremists.
And I would like to thank all the countries that have kindly announced their support for Venezuela, even though the ballot is a secret one and there's no need to announce things.
But since the imperium has attacked, openly, they strengthened the convictions of many countries. And their support strengthens us.
Mercosur, as a bloc, has expressed its support, our brothers in Mercosur. Venezuela, with Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, is a full member of Mercosur.
And many other Latin American countries, CARICOM, Bolivia have expressed their support for Venezuela. The Arab League, the full Arab League has voiced its support. And I am immensely grateful to the Arab world, to our Arab brothers, our Caribbean brothers, the African Union. Almost all of Africa has expressed its support for Venezuela and countries such as Russia or China and many others.
I thank you all warmly on behalf of Venezuela, on behalf of our people, and on behalf of the truth, because Venezuela, with a seat on the Security Council, will be expressing not only Venezuela's thoughts, but it will also be the voice of all the peoples of the world, and we will defend dignity and truth.
Over and above all of this, Madam President, I think there are reasons to be optimistic. A poet would have said "helplessly optimistic," because over and above the wars and the bombs and the aggressive and the preventive war and the destruction of entire peoples, one can see that a new era is dawning.
As Silvio Rodriguez says, the era is giving birth to a heart. There are alternative ways of thinking. There are young people who think differently. And this has already been seen within the space of a mere decade. It was shown that the end of history was a totally false assumption, and the same was shown about Pax Americana and the establishment of the capitalist neo-liberal world. It has been shown, this system, to generate mere poverty. Who believes in it now?
What we now have to do is define the future of the world. Dawn is breaking out all over. You can see it in Africa and Europe and Latin America and Oceania. I want to emphasize that optimistic vision.
We have to strengthen ourselves, our will to do battle, our awareness. We have to build a new and better world.
Venezuela joins that struggle, and that's why we are threatened. The U.S. has already planned, financed and set in motion a coup in Venezuela, and it continues to support coup attempts in Venezuela and elsewhere.
President Michelle Bachelet reminded us just a moment ago of the horrendous assassination of the former foreign minister, Orlando Letelier.
And I would just add one thing: Those who perpetrated this crime are free. And that other event where an American citizen also died were American themselves. They were CIA killers, terrorists.
And we must recall in this room that in just a few days there will be another anniversary. Thirty years will have passed from this other horrendous terrorist attack on the Cuban plane, where 73 innocents, in a Cubana de Aviacion airliner, died.
And where is the biggest terrorist of this continent who took the responsibility for blowing up the plane? He spent a few years in jail in Venezuela. Thanks to CIA and then government officials, he was allowed to escape, and he lives here in this country, protected by the government.
And he was convicted. He has confessed to his crime. But the U.S. government has double standards. It protects terrorism when it wants to.
And this is to say that Venezuela is fully committed to combating terrorism and violence. And we are one of the people who are fighting for peace.
Luis Posada Carriles is the name of that terrorist who is protected here. And other tremendously corrupt people who escaped from Venezuela are also living here under protection: a group that bombed various embassies, that assassinated people during the coup. They kidnapped me and they were going to kill me, but I think God reached down and our people came out into the streets and the army was too, and so I'm here today.
But these people who led that coup are here today in this country protected by the American government. And I accuse the American government of protecting terrorists and of having a completely cynical discourse.
We mentioned Cuba. Yes, we were just there a few days ago. We just came from there happily.
And there you see another era born. The Summit of the 15, the Summit of the Nonaligned, adopted a historic resolution. This is the outcome document. Don't worry, I'm not going to read it.
But you have a whole set of resolutions here that were adopted after open debate in a transparent matter -- more than 50 heads of state. Havana was the capital of the south for a few weeks, and we have now launched, once again, the group of the nonaligned with new momentum.
And if there is anything I could ask all of you here, my companions, my brothers and sisters, it is to please lend your good will to lend momentum to the Nonaligned Movement for the birth of the new era, to prevent hegemony and prevent further advances of imperialism.
And as you know, Fidel Castro is the president of the nonaligned for the next three years, and we can trust him to lead the charge very efficiently.
Unfortunately they thought, "Oh, Fidel was going to die." But they're going to be disappointed because he didn't. And he's not only alive, he's back in his green fatigues, and he's now presiding the nonaligned.
So, my dear colleagues, Madam President, a new, strong movement has been born, a movement of the south. We are men and women of the south.
With this document, with these ideas, with these criticisms, I'm now closing my file. I'm taking the book with me. And, don't forget, I'm recommending it very warmly and very humbly to all of you.
We want ideas to save our planet, to save the planet from the imperialist threat. And hopefully in this very century, in not too long a time, we will see this, we will see this new era, and for our children and our grandchildren a world of peace based on the fundamental principles of the United Nations, but a renewed United Nations.
And maybe we have to change location. Maybe we have to put the United Nations somewhere else; maybe a city of the south. We've proposed Venezuela.
You know that my personal doctor had to stay in the plane. The chief of security had to be left in a locked plane. Neither of these gentlemen was allowed to arrive and attend the U.N. meeting. This is another abuse and another abuse of power on the part of the Devil. It smells of sulfur here, but God is with us and I embrace you all.
May God bless us all. Good day to you.
22nd September 2006 04:21 AM
Jumacfly
Another bloody wanker this Chavez!!
22nd September 2006 04:24 AM
FotiniD
Frankly, I don't see anything wrong in what he's saying.
But I have vowed to refrain from political discussions on board, so... wazzzzzzzzzzzz up?
22nd September 2006 09:17 AM
Jair
quote:VoodooChileInWOnderl wrote:
Jair for President!
May I have some cheerleaders?
22nd September 2006 12:01 PM
sirmoonie
quote:Ronnie Richards wrote:
So, have you actually read his speech?
I quite like it, tho I'm sure he's a motherfucker like every other politician..
Here it is..
No, I haven't read the whole thing, I'm sure there are some valid points buried in there - I understand the arguments about the U.S.'s domination and attitude at times. But "the devil" - "sulphur" - QTF? He just looked like a whacked out chump on 'ludes. This is the president of a country speaking at the U.N.? He has zip credibility after that, and he did embarrass his country.
22nd September 2006 12:05 PM
pdog
His name is Hugo...
22nd September 2006 12:07 PM
sirmoonie
quote:pdog wrote:
His name is Hugo...
His mother named him that. She knew what the score was.
22nd September 2006 12:08 PM
glencar
I thought Pat Robertson was gonna get that sucka?
22nd September 2006 12:18 PM
telecaster
quote:FotiniD wrote:
Frankly, I don't see anything wrong in what he's saying.
But I have vowed to refrain from political discussions on board, so... wazzzzzzzzzzzz up?
Great. Then maybe you would like to move the UN to Greece and pay for 26% of the total UN dues like the US does
Plus you get to have a bunch of criminals running around your country who are immune from prosecution of any crime and immune from all of your laws
Please, take the UN
22nd September 2006 12:19 PM
pdog
quote:sirmoonie wrote:
His mother named him that. She knew what the score was.
A flagrant display of subtlety!
22nd September 2006 12:22 PM
glencar
quote:telecaster wrote:
Great. Then maybe you would like to move the UN to Greece and pay for 26% of the total UN dues like the US does
Plus you get to have a bunch of criminals running around your country who are immune from prosecution of any crime and immune from all of your laws
Please, take the UN
Plus half the fuckers are on the take. Sounds perfect for Greece.
22nd September 2006 12:29 PM
telecaster
quote:glencar wrote:
Plus half the fuckers are on the take. Sounds perfect for Greece.
The UN is the most corrupot, worthless organization known to man
It was a cute idea in 1950
Not anymore
Total and complete failure on all levels
22nd September 2006 12:36 PM
glencar
Their failure after that tsunami was legendary. Bunch of losers.
22nd September 2006 01:04 PM
not bound to please
"And there you see another era born. The Summit of the 15, the Summit of the Nonaligned, adopted a historic resolution. This is the outcome document. Don't worry, I'm not going to read it."
Summit? Did I hear summit? Are they going to get group Noam Chomsky Tattoos?
Thanks to Chavez, sales of Chomsky book jump
From the Associated Press
September 22, 2006
NEW YORK — The United Nations address by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has had an unexpected impact — on the bestseller lists of Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble.com.
At the start of his talk Wednesday, during which Chavez referred to President Bush as "the devil," Chavez held up a book by Noam Chomsky, "Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance," and recommended it to everyone in the General Assembly, as well as to the American people.
"The people of the United States should read this … instead of watching Superman movies," Chavez later told reporters.
As of Thursday afternoon, "Hegemony or Survival," originally published in 2003, had jumped into the top 10 of Amazon and Barnes & Noble.com.
And what a jump: Amazon said the book had zoomed from No. 20,664 on its bestseller list to No. 4 for the day.
Metropolitan Books, an imprint of Henry Holt, has ordered an additional paperback printing of 25,000 copies.
Chomsky, the famed 77-year-old linguist, has long been an opponent of U.S. foreign policy. His many books include "9-11," a bestselling collection of interviews, and "Failed States," which came out last spring.
22nd September 2006 01:04 PM
Saint Sway
quote:telecaster wrote:
Plus you get to have a bunch of criminals running around your country who are immune from prosecution of any crime and immune from all of your laws
oh like Bush... Chaney... Rove... Delay... Rumsfeld...
22nd September 2006 01:04 PM
FotiniD
And again, I say:
quote:FotiniD wrote:
I'm not biting the bait this time babies
So far I'm having a more important organisation over to Greece, the whole ROCC for next years Stones' gig. I'll have to check about the little UN and let you know
22nd September 2006 01:09 PM
telecaster
quote:Saint Sway wrote:
oh like Bush... Chaney... Rove... Delay... Rumsfeld...
Notice howe liberals in the US and Chavez are in lockstep together against Bush
And you wonder why you can't win elections anymore
22nd September 2006 01:13 PM
jb
quote:telecaster wrote:
Notice howe liberals in the US and Chavez are in lockstep together against Bush
And you wonder why you can't win elections anymore
We will not win this fall..Chavev and Prez. Dan just gave Bush all he needed to galvinize the base to re-elect the Rep. to Congress. Dems may never win any significant election ever again..a failed party w/out of touch/arrogant leaders. I weep for my once great party...
22nd September 2006 01:14 PM
glencar
I shall never visit Greece. Turkey always seemed more interesting anyway.
[Edited by glencar]
22nd September 2006 01:17 PM
not bound to please
quote:glencar wrote:
I shall never visit Greece. Turkey always seemed more interesting anyway.
[Edited by glencar]
Hey - Turkey was a part of the Greek empire - until the Islamic Ottomans stole it.
22nd September 2006 01:29 PM
mojoman
quote:glencar wrote:
I shall never visit Greece. Turkey always seemed more interesting anyway.
[Edited by glencar]
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