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Topic: Finally! After 8 long years...... Return to archive Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
September 7th, 2005 12:36 AM
Soldatti >If we all take the attitude that the Stones just can't be great anymore...then what the fuck are we doing here?

You didn't get the point here: they can be great and they are great, but you can't compare a band in the creative peak with the same band 30 years later. Their lifestyles are much different now. We're lucky that they still want to record new stuff, with all the critics and the die hard fans complaining, I would be in Jamaica, smoking a cigarette bigger than my head or with my family than in the studio.
September 7th, 2005 12:39 AM
exile
quote:
Lethargy wrote:
My first impression is that this is a big disappointment.




Hmm...Stripped back, raw stones, new dirty tracks, great licks....new album after 8 years

Your whole life must be disappointments...try suicide
September 7th, 2005 12:47 AM
Bitch A BIGGER BANG IS BANGIN'

LAUGH I NEARLY DIED is destined to become a classic


BACK OF MY HAND is straight up blues


IT WON'T TAKE LONG kicks ass


ROUGH JUSTICE rocks
September 7th, 2005 01:29 AM
Poplar
it bangs hard.

September 7th, 2005 01:38 AM
Zulu Fun Mix For what it's worth, I would place myself somewhere between SS (overly negative) and Gazza (overly positive). I agree with SS that a lot of the songs sound unfinished and underdeveloped. For example, "Rough Justice" doesn't have much of a bridge. It's structurally incomplete. "Let Me Down Slow" has great chord changes but seems to wrap up too soon. On that song and many others, the guitar work is exceptionally weak, since--like I've said in other threads--Ronnie seems to be out of the picture, and there's no Waddy Wachtel stepping in to take his place. In such a situation, like I've also said before (based on listening to the mp3s), they needed to bring in a guest saxophonist (like the brilliant Joshua Redman) to add texture and depth to the music. Otherwise, after a few listens, people will get tired of these songs. This is very different from VL or Wandering Spirit, which are so multi-textured and nuanced (without, like B2B, sounding overproduced) that they're still interesting to listen to over a decade later.

On the other hand, there are some truly classic moments on *A Bigger Bang*, genuine flashes of brilliance. The structure of "Rain Fall Down" is superb, and THAT bridge REALLY works. It could use a saxophone, though. "She Saw Me Coming" is a classic that, unfortunately, needs elaboration. An extended guitar solo would have been just what the doctor ordered for it.

"Biggest Mistake:" great idea, nice lyrics, but way too slick and sincere, like a Mick solo song. Should have been done rougher, with Mick sounding sly and tongue-in-cheek like on "Yellow Cab" or "Hang On to Me Tonight." I like it, though. In contrast, "Streets of Love" is unlistenable. He should have taken an "Evening Gown" approach to that one.

"ONNYA:" absolute classic, and best song on the album--though again, needs a more developed lead guitar solo.

"Dangerous Beauty:" Second best song on the album, IMO. It grooves; it's got great lyrics.

"Sweet Neo Con:" Third best song on the album; simply a great groove, great harp, great guitar/drum interplay. Who cares if the lyrics are crude? It's the groove that counts. And the attitude.

"Cat," "Driving Too Fast," "It Won't Take Long:" don't stand out for me (yet). But thinking back 12 years, "Wired All Night" and "Mother of a Man" leapt out at me IMMEDIATELY.

Keith's songs: better than on B2B, but not as good as on VL or SW. I suspect there's more to "Infamy" than first meets the ear, though, so I'll keep giving that a chance.

"Laugh, I Nearly Died:" hasn't caught on with me yet. It doesn't sound like a rock and roll song. I wonder if Mick wrote it when Charlie was sick? No groove there. Wants to be soul but too humorless.

In fact, that brings me to a general point: The tone of *A Bigger Bang* is overly "dark," it seems to me. This is in striking contrast to VL and Wandering Spirit, both of which were very upbeat, optimistic, fun, and not-so-serious. *A Bigger Bang* has moments of wit, to be sure, but is generally negative in a way that if you're angry and pissed off at life might be appealing but if you're not, really isn't. (Yet I do like "Dangerous Beauty.") In some places ("Cat Dragged In") I also think they're pushing the hard edge a little too hard just to show they're still menacing, angry young men. Rather than those angry, menacing songs, I much prefer amusing rockers like "Too Tight," "Saint of Me," "Jump on Top of Me," and "I Go Wild." Even the "menacing" "Mother of a Man" was humorous. The only song that comes close to that one here is the brilliant "Dangerous Beauty."

Finally, to repeat: Bring in guest saxophonists and maybe a guest guitarist or two. Use Joshua Redman or Javon Jackson on sax on a few cuts; see if Corey Christiansen or John Scofield would be available to play some guitar on a few tracks. Don't keep the tunes so self-consciously simple. The basic musical ideas are good ones, but stretch out and develop them. Simplicity for simplicity's sake is going to the other extreme.

So in short, *A Bigger Bang* is probably better than B2B on the whole, though not necessarily song-by-song. But it's not as good as VL or Wandering Spirit. Still, I like it, and I'm happy to have it. And I'm glad it's selling well and the critics like it.

Your thoughts on my thoughts??
September 7th, 2005 02:28 AM
Sir Stonesalot >8 good songs and 8 not good.....would you call that a good review for an album?<

Yes Ian, I would. There's scores of albums released every year that bat less than 50% for me...and I still like them. Bridges to Babylon is one Stones album that bats less than 50% for me, and I still like it. Is there some kind of rule against that or something?

I just want to know why everyone wants to focus on the negative stuff that I wrote. I wrote a lot of positive stuff too. But most of you seem to wanna skip over that part. I mean, what's the deal? I write just as much good stuff as bad stuff, why is that negative?? Why can't it be positive? You must be a glass half empty kind of person Ian.

Think whatever you want. I don't give a fuck.-from Sir Stonesalot

>The ABB CD packages at Best Buy all have a $13.99 sticker on them - but they will ring up for $9.99 for a limited time. Read the signs around you the next time you're at the store...or peruse the sale ad.<

I had them scan it Gypsy...did you not see the part where I said that I made them check? It rang up at $13.99. Cost them a sale, and cost me 10 minutes of my life.

>Its not like they have been locked in a studio for 8 years straight!<

Who said that they were? I was just asking a question earlier. I wasn't implying anything. I am genuinely interested in what the people here think about that subject.

Let me ask you this...is an 8 year gap between studio albums acceptable for a going band in todays marketplace? And by asking this question do not infer that I think one way or the other...I'm just asking a question.

>And just because it has been 8 years does not automatically mean the Stones OWE YOU an album like 'Sticky Fingers'<

Again, when did I say I was expecting an album like Sticky Fingers, or that I thought the Stones OWED ME anything? Please copy and paste anything I posted in this thread that says that. You can't do it. Any inference of something like that was imagined by you, and not intended by me.

>Someone who thinks Laugh I Nearly Died is a weak song has to scrap the shit right out of his ears.<

Gee yeah, that musta been the problem. Shit filled ears. Couldn't be that some people may have different tastes than you. No couldn't be that.

I'm listening to LIND right now in fact. That would be the 8th time today. I still don't like it. If anything, I like it less now than I did before. But knowing that you like it, Lion, means that I can sleep better tonight. So thanks for that.

>but you can't compare a band in the creative peak with the same band 30 years later.<

And who is doing that? That's what I don't understand. Who are you saying is comparing the current Stones to the Black and Blue Stones? I haven't seen anyone on this thread do that.

But just exactly why couldn't I do such a thing if I wanted to do so? What rule would I be breaking? I still think The Rolling Stones are capable of writing songs that are every bit the equal of anything on Black and Blue. And if I didn't think that way, I wouldn't be here talking about them.

>We're lucky that they still want to record new stuff, with all the critics and the die hard fans complaining, I would be in Jamaica, smoking a cigarette bigger than my head or with my family than in the studio.<

I agree, we are lucky that the Stones still record. I'm just glad that they are all('cept for Brian & Stu)still alive! And with some good new songs just out, I feel double lucky. I mean, we could have gotten a whole lot worse. However, I'm not gonna like something just because they are still around to put it out. There has to be some quality of standards that we fans hold our beloved band up to. You may think I have set the bar too high...but I think I'm letting them off easy.

OK, here. I'm gonna give ya something ultra positive about A Bigger Bang. It's the best new Stones studio album in 8 years.

Infamy just ended for the 8th time today...I'm going to bed. And the first thing I'm doing in the morning is giving another listen to A Bigger Bang. Yes, the whole thing. I won't hit skip...well, maybe for SOL. LOL!
[Edited by Sir Stonesalot]
September 7th, 2005 03:14 AM
UGot2Rollme my 2 cents:

- Laugh I Nearly Died is one of Mick's best vocal performances, EVER

- Let me Down Slow is quite enjoyable, especially like the chord changes/vocal nuances; 1st guitar solo is weak though

- Keith's rhythm and solo work on It Won't Take Long is classic, it makes a fairly basic song into a very good one

- Rain Fell Down - grows fast with every listen

- Streets of Love = projectile vomit

Overall, though, I love the vocals on Bigger Bang - Mick is getting better with age. He could freakin sing the phone book and I'd listen.

I agree with previous post that some of the songs aren't fully developed - would be nice to hear a sax on a couple of them, too. Overall, this is an enjoyable album, but will ultimately get as many plays on my CD as VL, BtB - which is not a bad thing cause it's only Rock and Roll but I like it.
September 7th, 2005 03:33 AM
IanBillen
Sir Stonesalot wrote:
"Yes Ian, I would. There's scores of albums released every year that bat less than 50% for me...and I still like them. Bridges to Babylon is one Stones album that bats less than 50% for me, and I still like it. Is there some kind of rule against that or something?"

SS. That makes alot of sense....

Q. "hey hows the new album?"
A. "Only a few good songs, most were real dissappointments, although I do like it alot"

No there are certainly no rules and yes, you can like whatever you want in any fashion you want. IYou don't care what I think but I surely wouldn't want to look to your review for insite on an album. It doesn't really make much sense to me. And you really shouldn't get uptight because you write in the fasion you do and expect people to think this is a good review....Geez are we talking about the same post here?

Ian
September 7th, 2005 03:53 AM
blackandblue The real test for ABB will come only after a few months, maybe even a few years. Only time will tell if this album is gonna survive. My review of ABB is positive but it is also the excitement of the moment.

Bu the way: Exile on Mainstreet got bad reviews. Nowadays it's THE classic Stones album. I also remember Black and Blue got a negative reception. But B&B has survived too.
September 7th, 2005 05:07 AM
marko I think this is an instant classic,but not a long lasting one,like voodood lounge was.This album misses some tricks.
I dislike allready Biggest Mistake.Lyrics suck,too sticky.

Yes black&blue got over,it is a classic.

Also Bigger Bang misses "strange,or weird" songs like Feel
on baby,continental drift,or moon is up.Theres no experimental at all.Neocon isn´t that.

But could they have done better?I say yes,they must have left tens of better songs(or worse),its only matter of their own interest,are stones willing to do another one?

What i like most of this album,its not overproduced.

Laugh i nearly died,best song of album with driving too fast.

This is a Bigger Bang,but it could have been BIGGER.

i still give 8/10.
September 7th, 2005 05:28 AM
hotlicks Black and blue a classic ? dom't think so but i'm going to give it a another spin, same goes for tattoo you-never ever a classic-onlly has 3 classic songs on it but hold on that's nearly 50% of the album so maybe it's a classic!!!!
[Edited by hotlicks]
September 7th, 2005 05:35 AM
marko Tattoo you is a clssic,specially "side-b".
To me every stones album from 1966-1983 is a classic one.
The stones sound we all got to know,,,,,,,,,it isn´t there
anymore.
September 7th, 2005 06:32 AM
egon gooood morning ss!

so, how do we feel today?
September 7th, 2005 07:22 AM
Nellcote Celebrate!
It's a Stones LP!
I've got Rough Justice on right now, waking up the neighbors.....And, it makes me ask for Sherman to turn the way back machine to 1972, when Rocks Off did the same thang for me.....
SS, as someone once sang back in the big hair(sorry!)80's..

"Get up, get out, get into something new
Get up, get out, into something new"


September 7th, 2005 08:06 AM
exile ABB fucking rules
September 7th, 2005 08:58 AM
Some Guy still sitting in my basement, no dramatic urge to play it any time soon. But a sale is a sale.
September 7th, 2005 10:27 AM
tbone59 Here's another new four-star ABB review just in...
http://www.concertlivewire.com
September 7th, 2005 10:45 AM
BILL PERKS THE RECORD IS FANTASTIC
THE ONLY BUMMER FOR ME IS SWEET NEO CON
THE MIX OF THIS RECORD IS REALLY GREAT -CHARLIE WAY UP
GREAT TUNES-ROUGH JUSTICE, IWTL,LIND,RAIN FELL DOWN, LWCDI,INFAMY,DB,AND OH NO
GOOD-LET ME DOWN SLOW,DRIVIN TOO FAST,BIGGEST MISTAKE,EMPTY,BOMH
September 7th, 2005 10:50 AM
Saint Sway the album should be called "A Bigger Bust"

Some good songs on there. But also some really awful songs.

right now the really lame songs are so embarrassingly bad that they are actually overpowering and ruining the songs I think are cool.

I'm not down with it. Sorry.

I think I'll burn a few of the songs I like onto my ipod and then try and forget crap like Look What The Cat Dragged In and Rain Fall Down ever existed.
September 7th, 2005 10:52 AM
Some Guy Sway, any plans for a new Crowes cd?
September 7th, 2005 10:56 AM
Saint Sway yes. next year.

and it wont have any cheesy upbeat Goddess In The Doorway pop songs on it

the next Black Crowes record will be a rock and roll record because they are a rock and roll band. They're will most likely be more Stones sounding material on it then there is on Bigger Bang.

[Edited by Saint Sway]
September 7th, 2005 11:07 AM
Phog Sir Stonesy's opinion is purely that, his opinion. Let him have it and don't sweat it. He said he likes the record. Just because a few of the songs are clunkers for him doesn't mean you gotta agree with it.

Personally, I don't hate anything on the record. "Streets Of Love", "Dangerous Beauty", "Laugh,I Nearly Died", and "Look What The Cat Dragged In" are the songs I like the least. That said, I don't get the urge to skip over any of them. It ain't perfect by any means, but this record gets a big thumbs-up from me.

My two cents. Carry on.
September 7th, 2005 11:11 AM
Gimme Shelter I don't know, I got mine at Best Buy for $9.99 yesterday about 11:00 am and it's been playing in my car continuously since then and I love it. Its raw Stones and they seem invigorated. Keith's voice sounds strong as ever especially on Infamy. I think its a great album. Can't wait until the San Fran shows in November.
September 7th, 2005 11:19 AM
jb I will not buy this based on SS's review..or just to help sales, I'll buy it, and send it to someone.
September 7th, 2005 11:26 AM
Jumacfly this thread just shows we all got our own opinion....
Sweet neo con and SOL are the only clunkers for me...
"the cat" got a catchy lead guitar line and a great rythm section...
Mick's harmonica is too much predictable, always same line repeated in SNC and Infamy...and always same tone...

Anyway ,I m crazy about ABB, but can understand some of you are disapointed...
September 7th, 2005 11:26 AM
Saint Sway I already gave my copy away.
September 7th, 2005 11:28 AM
jb
quote:
Saint Sway wrote:
I already gave my copy away.


I gave my copy of GITDW to a guy who use topost here named Fiji Joe........
September 7th, 2005 11:29 AM
Jumacfly
quote:
Saint Sway wrote:
I already gave my copy away.



What about your RO member status??
September 7th, 2005 11:44 AM
BlindLemon YES - Listen to the roarin kitty!
To join in on the discussion of the more general points floating arounbd in this thread: relistening is definitely worth it on this album - I am just at the point of really starting to discover the brilliance of little guitar fills here and there. The instruments tend to do some understated, but brillant work on these songs, as, think, Voodoo pointed it out after only one listen to the album. Have to say, at this point, Im only bored with one song, IWTL, and just got tolike Let me down slow and She saw me. Overall, The album has moved from being a strong nineties offering to being a strong offering bar none in about 10 listens. And may I remark: DB is one of the few instances where I find true ambition in terms of lyrics - Mick ís finally willing to talk politics, but on a deeper, more universal level. I love the way he explores the position of the individual in a machinery of violence, and our (the onlooker`s) fascination with abuse and sadism - not in a way, I feel, that has to do with SM as a porn business branch, but more in the direction of the media serving up latently SM content, and the information consumers (us) somehow not being able to resist, while also managing to avoid de-humanising the original situation at Abu Ghraib. Overall, great explorational lyrics: dilemmas, involvement, fascination with sex and violence, the desire to be dominated, inversing gender roles - need I go on? The Stones have, in my opinion, always pioneered this subject matter, and do a good job of it this time too, without becoming a straight porn/snuff band a la Blue Oyster Cult (which would be boring and forced). In all, love it. My Stones world would be complete, if they also covered Vanessa Paradis "Joe le Taxi" on the European leg. (Maybe not.)
September 7th, 2005 11:55 AM
Jumacfly My Stones world would be complete, if they also covered Vanessa Paradis "Joe le Taxi" on the European leg. (Maybe not.)
[/quote]

LOL!!
it ,would be great, but they should play "ca plane pour moi" instead!!
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