| 2nd September 2007 03:19 PM |
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| GotToRollMe |
From sabcnews.com:
Stones leave fans hanging after world tour
September 02, 2007, 11:45
The Rolling Stones ended their two-year world tour in their home town of London last week, leaving fans wondering if it would be their last ever show. Such speculation has dogged the veteran rock band since the 1960s, but it intensifies each tour to the point where it is now a running joke between the group and journalists.
Predictably, frontman Mick Jagger made no grand announcements during the band's two-hour show at the O2 arena, in Greenwich, southeast London. The venue is just 13km from where they performed their first ever show, at the Marquee Club, in July 1962.
Instead, the 64-year-old singer, who barely broke sweat as he jumped around the stage, thanked fans for sticking with the band amid "fire and ice and storms and trees, and God knows what."
The "trees" comment related to a mishap in April 2006 when guitarist Keith Richards slipped while on a break in Fiji. He required head surgery, which forced the band to reschedule its European tour set for that summer. At the time, it was reported that he fell from a palm tree, though he later denied that.
Health of Richards under scrutiny
Since the "Bigger Bang" world tour began in Boston on August 21, 2005, observers have wondered about the health of the death-defying guitarist, who has been friends with Jagger since childhood.
To the consternation of fans in Helsinki earlier this month, Richards actually toppled over on stage a few times. But the 63-year-old played with vigour last week on Sunday on such classic tunes as "Brown Sugar" and "Jumpin' Jack Flash."
Richards said in the latest issue of the British music magazine Mojo that he is taking the anti-seizure medication Dilantin because of the head injury, but had abstained from cocaine for about 18 months. He continues to drink and smoke heavily.
For perhaps the first time, Richards and fellow guitarist Ronnie Wood did not smoke on stage on Sunday, following new anti-smoking regulations. But Richards could be seen taking a few hurried puffs off-stage.
Triumph, tragedy
The marathon tour comprised 146 performances in 31 countries as well as Puerto Rico. First-time stops included mainland China, Montenegro, Romania and Serbia, as well as last year's Super Bowl in Detroit.
Along the way, Jagger and Richards each lost a parent, and Wood his older brother. Last October their former record label boss, Atlantic Records co-founder Ahmet Ertegun, slipped backstage during their concert in New York, fell into a coma and died seven weeks later.
The North American shows, which accounted for just over half the performances, grossed $300 million and attracted 2.2 million people, according to Pollstar, a concert trade publication. Their well-reviewed album, "A Bigger Bang," did not fare as well, slipping off the charts soon after its September 2005 release, a victim of the depressed state of the music industry.
Next on the band's agenda is the April 2008 release of Martin Scorsese's concert documentary, "Shine A Light." Some fans hope that will be a good excuse for the Stones to tour again, but the band is not saying anything. - Reuters
Link: http://www.sabcnews.com/entertainment/music/0,2172,155136,00.html
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| 2nd September 2007 03:50 PM |
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| aladdinstory |
quote:
GotToRollMe wrote:
Health of Richards under scrutiny
Since the "Bigger Bang" world tour began in Boston on August 21, 2005, observers have wondered about the health of the death-defying guitarist, who has been friends with Jagger since childhood.
To the consternation of fans in Helsinki earlier this month, Richards actually toppled over on stage a few times. But the 63-year-old played with vigour last week on Sunday on such classic tunes as "Brown Sugar" and "Jumpin' Jack Flash."
Keith falling over on stage is nothing new it seems, I remember reading an old issue of Creem during the '78 tour, where there's a quote about him only falling over twice on stage, to which Keith replied tongue in cheek about it being some kind of record for least amount of times not falling over during a tour.
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| 2nd September 2007 10:23 PM |
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| gotdablouse |
This is scary, I had missed this information, are there detailed accounts of Keith losing his balance ? |
| 3rd September 2007 04:20 AM |
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| pdog |
no cocaine for 18 months...
I just read the entire article, that's all I remember as I type this...
and something about puffing fags off stage. |
| 3rd September 2007 06:14 AM |
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| bilsim |
He's also fallen asleep a few times. Most notably a live TV performance of Fool To Cry. |
| 3rd September 2007 06:42 AM |
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| corgi37 |
Why is Puerto Rico a country? |
| 3rd September 2007 08:18 AM |
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| Gazza |
quote:
gotdablouse wrote:
This is scary, I had missed this information, are there detailed accounts of Keith losing his balance ?
Search the archive for the Helsinki thread. He went on his arse that night |
| 3rd September 2007 08:26 AM |
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| Mel Belli |
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corgi37 wrote:
Why is Puerto Rico a country?
"31 countries as well as Puerto Rico" meant to say that it's not a country ... |
| 3rd September 2007 10:11 PM |
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| stonedinaustralia |
quote:
aladdinstory wrote:
Keith falling over on stage is nothing new it seems, I remember reading an old issue of Creem during the '78 tour, where there's a quote about him only falling over twice on stage, to which Keith replied tongue in cheek about it being some kind of record for least amount of times not falling over during a tour.
yeas i remeber that one
also in frankfurt '76 as recorded by Charles Shaar Murray (see Shots from the Hip)
then there was the time he ended up flat on his back electrocuted in '65 (? i think) |
| 4th September 2007 01:26 AM |
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| IanBillen |
I doubt he is on any anti-seizure medication from the accident that occurred that long ago and he has long since made a full recovery. He would surely not be on delantin at this point.
He sustained no permanent damage due to the type of head injury that occurred so I am sure he is not on the meds for anything related to that (if infact he is on any meds at all related to seizures, which I really am doubting here). Not to be " Dr. Billen" here but I worked in a hospital for a decade so I pretty much know the scoop on the generalistics of medical care and I can tell you he would in no way be taking delantin from this particular injury that happend that long ago unless he was currently an epileptic. Delantins long term use is for epitleptics primarily, not injuries, especially one that occurred that long ago.
Ron Wood lost his brother? That is news to me. I thought his ex-wife commited suicide...
Also I heard it was only a rumor Keith was falling all over the stage in the show that was mentioned.
So you know, as normal, don't beleive everything you read.
Ian
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| 4th September 2007 03:50 AM |
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| Zack |
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IanBillen wrote:
So you know, as normal, don't beleive everything you read.
Reading your post, I'll agree with that.
As for the seizure drug, Keith said he was on the stuff, mainly as an explanation as to why he stopped doing coke.
Yes, Ronnie's older brother Art died. I think there was a header that said something cryptic like "RIP Art Wood." And no matter how Krissy Wood died, she's "lost" to Ronnie and her family. In generalistic. |
| 4th September 2007 07:37 AM |
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| Gazza |
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IanBillen wrote:
I doubt he is on any anti-seizure medication from the accident that occurred that long ago and he has long since made a full recovery. He would surely not be on delantin at this point.
He sustained no permanent damage due to the type of head injury that occurred so I am sure he is not on the meds for anything related to that (if infact he is on any meds at all related to seizures, which I really am doubting here). Not to be " Dr. Billen" here but I worked in a hospital for a decade so I pretty much know the scoop on the generalistics of medical care and I can tell you he would in no way be taking delantin from this particular injury that happend that long ago unless he was currently an epileptic. Delantins long term use is for epitleptics primarily, not injuries, especially one that occurred that long ago.
How do you know he didnt sustain some permanent damage? I dont think any of us are in a position to say that.
Maybe he developed epilepsy (or something similar) as a result of trauma from a head injury? It can and does happen. And the interview in which he mentions being on dilantin took place in June 2007. Fourteen months after his accident. So, he's still on it, it would appear. The amount of reported temporary 'absences' he's had at shows this summer would suggest a problem of that nature, as would other stuff I've been told. Not that it's anything potentially dangerous.
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IanBillen wrote:
Also I heard it was only a rumor Keith was falling all over the stage in the show that was mentioned.
No, it wasnt. It happened. Plenty of eye witnesses. He also nearly fell over a barrier in Madrid. I saw it myself.
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| 4th September 2007 09:36 PM |
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| IanBillen |
Gazza Wrote:
the interview in which he mentions being on dilantin took place in June 2007:
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Really? Hmmmm. But that drug is not used for preventing seizures due to injuries at all???. It is for people that are born with epilepsy, or develope it without any other influence. This drug is not used for seizures brought on due to some injury. This is why I am "cornfused".
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At this point he would of long since been taken of any anti-seizure medication unless he actually was having seizures, or his brain functions were showing some seizure activity? To be on any medication this long after this type of injury Keith had would be very strange, unless their is some underlying cause going on here. Keith was performing on stage five weeks later? If this was such a serious head injury in that he needs to be on anit-seizure medication due to the injury itself he would of never been out on stage that soon after the injury and operation occurred. Never. Period.
What I think if Keith was correct and the interview is totally accurate is that I actually now think, that the seizure occurred first, and he actually fell off the stump and sustained the injury because of a seizure. I think based on Keith's statement (if this is accurate) he injured himself due to a seizure that occurred first, before the head injury and this is what actually caused the fall in the first place. Not vice-versa. I do not think the seizure activity is due to the head injury at all if it is still going on. I completely feel seizure activity was there initially, and this is what must of caused the fall. This makes much more sense "IF", and only "if" the interviews date and content is indeed 100% accurate being he is now on delantin.
Sure it is pure speculation, but it does sound like more than just a possibility due to the type of medication he claims he is still on. Infact it is pointing in that direction and is making much more sense now.
So is Keith now an eplileptic???
Ian
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| 4th September 2007 10:16 PM |
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| mojoman |
a coconutshell? |
| 5th September 2007 12:16 AM |
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| Poplar |
quote:
mojoman wrote:
a coconutshell?
exactly. that article really is a perfect wrap.
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| 5th September 2007 01:37 AM |
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| mrhipfl |
quote:
IanBillen wrote:
What I think if Keith was correct and the interview is totally accurate is that I actually now think, that the seizure occurred first, and he actually fell off the stump and sustained the injury because of a seizure. I think based on Keith's statement (if this is accurate) he injured himself due to a seizure that occurred first, before the head injury and this is what actually caused the fall in the first place. Not vice-versa. I do not think the seizure activity is due to the head injury at all if it is still going on. I completely feel seizure activity was there initially, and this is what must of caused the fall. This makes much more sense "IF", and only "if" the interviews date and content is indeed 100% accurate being he is now on delantin.
So you're saying that you believe that if the article and Keith's statement are true, then the fall was caused by the seizure, and not the other way around? And he's taking the meds because of the seizure and not because of the fall? |
| 5th September 2007 01:42 AM |
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| stonedinaustralia |
quote:
IanBillen wrote:
What I think if Keith was correct and the interview is totally accurate is that I actually now think, that the seizure occurred first, and he actually fell off the stump and sustained the injury because of a seizure. I think based on Keith's statement (if this is accurate) he injured himself due to a seizure that occurred first, before the head injury and this is what actually caused the fall in the first place. Not vice-versa. I do not think the seizure activity is due to the head injury at all if it is still going on. I completely feel seizure activity was there initially, and this is what must of caused the fall. This makes much more sense "IF", and only "if" the interviews date and content is indeed 100% accurate being he is now on delantin.
Sure it is pure speculation, but it does sound like more than just a possibility due to the type of medication he claims he is still on. Infact it is pointing in that direction and is making much more sense now.
So is Keith now an eplileptic???
and then confusion set in |
| 5th September 2007 03:44 AM |
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| IanBillen |
quote:
mrhipfl wrote:
So you're saying that you believe that if the article and Keith's statement are true, then the fall was caused by the seizure, and not the other way around? And he's taking the meds because of the seizure and not because of the fall?
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Well no, not in relation to the particular seizure that caused the fall instead.... I am reffering to the possibility of any "future" seizures.
What am am saying is this:
If these statements are indeed 100% factual and correct then yes Keith is on this medication to prevent seizures. Seizures that are not brought on, or a result of any injury. Seizures that have nothing to do with the fall or any injury sustained from the fall and everything to do with having epilepsy of some sort and trying to prevent seizures like this from occurring again.
Ian |
| 5th September 2007 04:00 AM |
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| BONOISLOVE |
quote:
IanBillen wrote:
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Well no, not in relation to the particular seizure that caused the fall instead.... I am reffering to the possibility of any "future" seizures.
What am am saying is this:
If these statements are indeed 100% factual and correct then yes Keith is on this medication to prevent seizures. Seizures that are not brought on, or a result of any injury. Seizures that have nothing to do with the fall or any injury sustained from the fall and everything to do with having epilepsy of some sort and trying to prevent seizures like this from occurring again.
Ian
IanBillen, I am oh so worried about this that I shall get back at you, any time soon.
After some time, of course. The Eno insists upon having some heterosexual interns here, at U2, and it kind of bugs me. What't the charm of the Vagina, in the first place, I wonder? I think that God was making a big joke upon humanity, by placing a naked woman in front of a man, because vaginas suck.
And they're gross.
P.S.: There will be no porn vid, called: the "BONO-PORNO". So, sorry. |
| 5th September 2007 12:34 PM |
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| glencar |
Wow, IanBillen is stunningly stupid! |
| 5th September 2007 01:04 PM |
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| Saint Sway |
quote:
glencar wrote:
Wow, IanBillen is stunningly stupid!
BEST THREAD EVER!
I love delving into the nonsensical deep thoughts of Ian Billen.
Its like listening to a Dubya press conference
God bless Ian B! He has the rare combination of cajones and infantile IQ score to be able to stand toe-to-toe with anyone on this board and argue any conviction. No matter how utterly wrong he is. He could start an 8-page thread on how the Earth is not round.
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| 5th September 2007 01:07 PM |
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| glencar |
He is amusing... |
| 5th September 2007 01:15 PM |
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| Joey |
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glencar wrote:
He is amusing...
.... glencar is a waterfall in Iceland ( SW corner )
Word .
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| 5th September 2007 01:20 PM |
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| glencar |
We are not amused! |
| 6th September 2007 05:01 AM |
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| IanBillen |
bono dude wrote:
IanBillen, I am oh so worried about this that I shall get back at you, any time soon.
After some time, of course. The Eno insists upon having some heterosexual interns here, at U2, and it kind of bugs me. What't the charm of the Vagina, in the first place, I wonder? I think that God was making a big joke upon humanity, by placing a naked woman in front of a man, because vaginas suck.
And they're gross.
P.S.: There will be no porn vid, called: the "BONO-PORNO". So, sorry.
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I don't care for dicks. I already got one of those thingy's.
I like vaginas. They are warm and get all wet. Neat stuff.
Ian |
| 6th September 2007 07:15 AM |
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| Gazza |
quote:
IanBillen wrote:
What am am saying is this:
If these statements are indeed 100% factual and correct then yes Keith is on this medication to prevent seizures. Seizures that are not brought on, or a result of any injury. Seizures that have nothing to do with the fall or any injury sustained from the fall and everything to do with having epilepsy of some sort and trying to prevent seizures like this from occurring again.
Ian
Surely its quite possible that the head trauma from his accident caused seizures? Hence the need for the medication in question.
Subsequent 'absences' would also be made more likely by one's lifestyle..ie drinking too much or taking drugs. Keith mentioned just after his surgery that at that time he had been obliged to cut down on his alcohol intake (he mentioned two bottles of beer a day!). I seriously doubt he kept that level of near abstinence up for very long!
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IanBillen wrote:
To be on any medication this long after this type of injury Keith had would be very strange, unless their is some underlying cause going on here. Keith was performing on stage five weeks later? If this was such a serious head injury in that he needs to be on anit-seizure medication due to the injury itself he would of never been out on stage that soon after the injury and operation occurred. Never. Period.
The injury took place on or around April 25/27th. He was back onstage on July 11th. Eleven weeks later. The first six weeks of the European tour was cancelled as you may recall.
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| 7th September 2007 02:02 AM |
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| IanBillen |
quote:
Gazza wrote:
Surely its quite possible that the head trauma from his accident caused seizures? Hence the need for the medication in question.
> Keith did not get his head caved in, nor was an injury that caused any permanant damage was reported after the operation.
That was a while ago. Also please read: this medication is "generally" not used for seizures due to injuries. Seizures due to a head injury are more often a differnt type of seizure all together than a seizure due to epilepsy. This medication, delantin is mostly used for people with epilepsy which is getting seizures without any provaking not people suffering from seizures due to an injury.
Subsequent 'absences' would also be made more likely by one's lifestyle..ie drinking too much or taking drugs. Keith mentioned just after his surgery that at that time he had been obliged to cut down on his alcohol intake (he mentioned two bottles of beer a day!). I seriously doubt he kept that level of near abstinence up for very long!
>After an incident like this if it was that serious and he could actually have seizures due to head trama he would be more than advised to completely cut out alchohol all together until things subsided. Nobody has an injury that caused such trama as to cause seizures and their doctor tells them to simply "cut back" on the booze. It would be eliminated all together until things got to normal unless he started some withdrawl (which is uncommon for an alchoholic but it can happen....see Ozzy)
The injury took place on or around April 25/27th. He was back onstage on July 11th. Eleven weeks later. The first six weeks of the European tour was cancelled as you may recall.
>I stand corrected on this one.
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Ian
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| 7th September 2007 08:31 AM |
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| Gazza |
quote:
Ian Billen wrote:
Keith did not get his head caved in, nor was an injury that caused any permanant damage was reported after the operation.
I didnt say he got his 'head caved in', however he suffered head trauma as a result of an accident. Whether his injury caused ANY 'permanent damage' I dont think any of us are in a position to comment.
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Ian Billen wrote:
After an incident like this if it was that serious and he could actually have seizures due to head trama he would be more than advised to completely cut out alchohol all together until things subsided. Nobody has an injury that caused such trama as to cause seizures and their doctor tells them to simply "cut back" on the booze. It would be eliminated all together until things got to normal unless he started some withdrawl (which is uncommon for an alchoholic but it can happen....see Ozzy)
I didnt suggest he was merely told to 'cut back'. I was quoting what he said about his own intake. I'm sure you'd agree that what Keith is advised to do and what Keith does are two different things! |
| 7th September 2007 11:07 AM |
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| Saint Sway |
whenever I read either Ian Billen posts about the Stones or Riffhard's posts about Bush, I am truly convinced that Ian and Riffhard are the exact same person. |
| 7th September 2007 09:13 PM |
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| TomL |
Call it what you want. They r what they R. Good, Bad, or whatever. They r the stones and will be bad boys till they plant them. It's a way of life, for them, their family and us...there fans. If you have been close both with the band, backstage and just normal functions, it is what it is. Yes I do think a ABB sets were lame, yes. But it was so the stones. Bitch all you want. But i chose to savor what we have left. What band has done what they have done? It is not about the way of life, but the friends we have made along the way. That will remain something no one can take away. So bitch if you must, but this mother fucker ain't listening.
Wanna know why..................................cause....
I know it's only rock N roll but I like it like it yes I do.
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