12th August 2006 10:04 PM |
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mike1061 |
quote: Dan wrote:
Okay lets try this again...
ROLLING STONES
INGLEWOOD,CA:FORUM
3/6/06
DSM6->PACLC->Sony PCM1 DAT->Tascam CDRW700->back to DAT (removing spike at beginning of JJF)->Tascam CDRW700 with levels adjusted->EAC->FLAC
Recorded from upper Collonade toward the top against a wall in a one seat row.
Nice post.
Something with lineage.
Thanks Mike |
13th August 2006 06:50 AM |
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stalemate97_2006 |
It seems that "LONESTAR SHOOTERS MORPH 34" upped gracefuly by POISONIVY is FULL MP3 !!!
Listen the gap at the end of each tracks . It reveals the source .....
Is it take from your silver or from mp3 sources ???
Many guys dowload their boots from iorrg.org/hotstuff.
Please indicate this in your messages.
Thanks
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13th August 2006 08:10 AM |
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axl79 |
quote: stalemate97_2006 wrote:
It seems that "LONESTAR SHOOTERS MORPH 34" upped gracefuly by POISONIVY is FULL MP3 !!!
Listen the gap at the end of each tracks . It reveals the source .....
Is it take from your silver or from mp3 sources ???
Many guys dowload their boots from iorrg.org/hotstuff.
Please indicate this in your messages.
Thanks
Thanks for the notice!
It's now gone from my harddrive...annoying!
Could we just clearly announce "NO LOSSY audio formats here" !
Thanks!
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13th August 2006 08:12 AM |
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POISONIVY |
the first night in rotterdam
rotterdam ahoy october 13 1973
source : TRADE
set list
brown sugar
gimme shelter
happy
tumbling dice
star star
dancing with mr d
angie
you cant always get
midnight rambler
honky tonk women
all down the line
rip this jooint
jumpin jack flash
street fightin man
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13th August 2006 08:12 AM |
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POISONIVY |
quote: stalemate97_2006 wrote:
It seems that "LONESTAR SHOOTERS MORPH 34" upped gracefuly by POISONIVY is FULL MP3 !!!
Listen the gap at the end of each tracks . It reveals the source .....
Is it take from your silver or from mp3 sources ???
Many guys dowload their boots from iorrg.org/hotstuff.
Please indicate this in your messages.
Thanks
i have had this cd with a trade
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13th August 2006 10:05 AM |
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gimmekeef |
quote: Dan wrote:
Okay lets try this again...
ROLLING STONES
INGLEWOOD,CA:FORUM
3/6/06
DSM6->PACLC->Sony PCM1 DAT->Tascam CDRW700->back to DAT (removing spike at beginning of JJF)->Tascam CDRW700 with levels adjusted->EAC->FLAC
Recorded from upper Collonade toward the top against a wall in a one seat row.
01. -intro-
02. Jumpin' Jack Flash
03. Its Only Rock N Roll
04. Oh No Not You Again
05. Sway
06. Far Away Eyes
07. Worried About You
08. Tumbling Dice
09. Midnight Rambler
10. Gimme Shelter
11. -band intros-
12. This Place Is Empty
13. Happy
01. Miss You
02. Rough Justice
03. Respectable
04. Honky Tonk Women
05. Sympathy For The Devil
06. Start Me Up
07. Brown Sugar
08. You Can't Always Get What You Want
09. Satisfaction
Thanks Dan....is this a different/superior source to the Forum boot that circulated some months ago?....Thanks again |
13th August 2006 10:11 AM |
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mac_daddy |
quote: axl79 wrote:
Thanks for the notice!
It's now gone from my harddrive...annoying!
Could we just clearly announce "NO LOSSY audio formats here" !
Thanks!
we have - more than once.
for the record, microgaps do NOT necessarily indicate lossy encoding in the lineage. microgaps DO indicate that somebody ripped the CD incorrectly, or burned it incorrectly, but this does not, inandofitself(sic), mean that the WAV data has been compressed with lossy encoding. this (microgaps beween tracks) generally happens when the source is a CD-R with an unknown generation...
which is why...
ideally, all sources would be lossless, and ripped properly from the original SILVER CDs, or seeded directly from the taper (no DAE in the lineage at all)... |
13th August 2006 10:34 AM |
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Dan |
quote: gimmekeef wrote:
Thanks Dan....is this a different/superior source to the Forum boot that circulated some months ago?....Thanks again
Its my source, never before circulated.
But its not moving and I can't figure out whats wrong. |
13th August 2006 12:19 PM |
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mac_daddy |
are you connected as a seed..? the tracker shows two torrents, and neither of them have a seed...
my guess is that you pointed to the wrong dir (it is confusing)...
close your bit torrent client.
go to the tracker, and download the torrent file from there. use the one with 13 peers...
open that torrent up, and it will ask you to pick a location for your files...
+++ you must pick the PARENT dir, not the flacf +++
so if your flac files are located in c:\my documents\forum3606\, then you would select c:\my documents as the location for the files...
the program then should start checking your files. this takes a few minutes, but you will see the harddrive running...
if, instead of checking your files, it immediately starts to try and download, then you have not pointed to the right place, and you are not connected as a seed...
hth
edited for clarity
[Edited by mac_daddy] |
13th August 2006 12:38 PM |
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gonzalo76 |
quote: mac_daddy wrote:
we have - more than once.
for the record, microgaps do NOT necessarily indicate lossy encoding in the lineage. microgaps DO indicate that somebody ripped the CD incorrectly, or burned it incorrectly, but this does not, inandofitself(sic), mean that the WAV data has been compressed with lossy encoding. this (microgaps beween tracks) generally happens when the source is a CD-R with an unknown generation...
which is why...
ideally, all sources would be lossless, and ripped properly from the original SILVER CDs, or seeded directly from the taper (no DAE in the lineage at all)...
It's nothing personal but, your explanation is exactly why I did not want to post the "mp3-source warning" when Craig told me. In fact, I decided not to post any more "MP3-sourced warnings" anymore. I think people doesn't know how to distinguish a lossless from a lossy source, not even with a clearly frequency and spectral analysis I posted before:
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rs19720715t03stonedagainfrequencyanalysissv4.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rs19720715t03stonedagainspectralviewqs6.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rs19720715t03stonedagaingapbeginningqy8.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rs19720715t03stonedagaingapendgr2.jpg
I only downloaded 3 torrents from the man in question, the 3 of them where lossy, I gave up.
"I have had this cd with a trade I DONT KNOW THE SOURCE IS MP3 SORRY." |
13th August 2006 01:05 PM |
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mac_daddy |
you are correct - spectral analysis is the way to tell, definitively...
i have not downloaded the filesets in question...
i was just making a comment, to be clear on all of this, that microgaps are not always a tel-tale for mp3 in the lineage; they are tell-tales of other things, but not necessarily of mp3 lineage...
and if you are speaking to me, there was never any offense taken, you and i are saying the same thing...
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13th August 2006 01:09 PM |
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mac_daddy |
one more thing just popped to mind...
just so y'all know...
taking mp3s, and making them into a CD, and then ripping that CD to WAV, and then compressing WAV > FLAC - this is NOT a lossless source, and sources with this kind of lineage should NOT be seeded on the RO tracker. ever.
i guess a good rule of thumb would be, if you are not 100% sure of the complete lineage of the audio, then dont seed it here...
there are plenty of mp3 stones sites - start a thread about it on ro, you will get plenty of responses. the ro tracker is NOT for lossy sources, nor is it for sources with lossy encoding in the lineage... |
13th August 2006 02:46 PM |
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LuvGlimmerTwins |
Regarding the lossy versus lossless discussion:
THANK YOU GONZALO AND MAC DADDY!
So glad there are folks who want to keep the trading pool clean |
13th August 2006 02:48 PM |
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POISONIVY |
on the tracker
four documents very rares
11-02-1964 los angeles shinig tv show
hullaballo nbc tv 11-11-1965
winter 1965 australian tv show
spring 1978 some girls lp fm promos interview
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13th August 2006 04:26 PM |
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joguema |
quote: LuvGlimmerTwins wrote:
Regarding the lossy versus lossless discussion:
THANK YOU GONZALO AND MAC DADDY!
So glad there are folks who want to keep the trading pool clean
Can someone PLEASE check all of POISONIVY'S recent uploads and let us know, wether they are MP3-sourced or not?
Thanks.
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13th August 2006 06:29 PM |
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gonzalo76 |
quote: joguema wrote:
Can someone PLEASE check all of POISONIVY'S recent uploads and let us know, wether they are MP3-sourced or not?
Thanks.
I'm sorry but I don't download anything from him.
I only downloaded a couple of torrents and they were lossy.
Gr. |
13th August 2006 10:48 PM |
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mike1061 |
Here are some links I saved.
mp3 testing
http://sd.lecastel.org/mp3.html
http://www.soppybagrecords.net/pages/mp3_tutorial.htm
http://www.audiohub.org/get/fa/fa.htm
http://www.audiohub.org/get/fa/sa.htm
Thanks Mike |
14th August 2006 04:37 AM |
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pdog |
Anyone who puts up Mp3's by accident should be warned, if they continue they should be prevented. The trading pool must be kept clean... |
14th August 2006 05:12 AM |
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POISONIVY |
j'arrete definitivement de uploader des boots des stones
vous êtes des enfoirés de premiere7
j'ai uploader un cd source mp3 et vous en faitres tout un cirque
je ne savais pas que c'était de la source MP3
DANS VOTRE COLLECTION ETES VOUS SUR DE NE PAS AVOIR DE MP3
J'ai 1700 cds des stones c'est normal que quelques cds soient en source MP3
SALUT
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14th August 2006 05:54 AM |
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joguema |
quote: POISONIVY wrote:
j'arrete definitivement de uploader des boots des stones
vous êtes des enfoirés de premiere7
j'ai uploader un cd source mp3 et vous en faitres tout un cirque
je ne savais pas que c'était de la source MP3
DANS VOTRE COLLECTION ETES VOUS SUR DE NE PAS AVOIR DE MP3
J'ai 1700 cds des stones c'est normal que quelques cds soient en source MP3
SALUT
can someone please translate this?
thanks. |
14th August 2006 07:01 AM |
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joguema |
I downloaded only some of POISONIVY's shows and tested them with EAC's Frequency Analysis.
Here are the results:
Rock'n'Roll Over Paris = OK
Valentine's Day = OK
Lonestar Shooters = MP3-sourced !!!
Stoned Again = MP3-sourced !!!
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14th August 2006 07:39 AM |
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andrews27 |
Any opinion on the "First night in Rotterdam" torrent 10-13-73? Any significant difference from "Keep your Pussies Clean" 10-13/14-73?
[Edited by andrews27] |
14th August 2006 09:03 AM |
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mac_daddy |
quote: joguema wrote:
can someone please translate this?
thanks.
babelfish says:
quote: I arrete definitively of uploader of the boots of the stones you are dumbs of premiere7 I have uploader Cd mp3 source and you in faitres a whole circus I did not know that it was source MP3 IN YOUR COLLECTION ETES YOU ON NOT HAVING a MP3 I have 1700 cds stones it is normal that some cds is in source MP3 HELLO
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14th August 2006 09:54 AM |
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TornAndFrayed |
New on the tracker: "rollingstones1972-07-25-2nd-source2.torrent"
The Rolling Stones
July 25, 1972 (2nd show)
Madison Square Garden
New York City, NY
Source:
audience audio (source #2)
Lineage:
"Cold English Blood Runs Hot" (Sister Morphine) Original CD > wav (EAC, secure mode) > flac (FLAC Frontend, level 8)
Disc 1:
01. Intro
02. Brown Sugar
03. Bitch
04. Rocks Off
05. Gimme Shelter
06. Happy
07. Tumbling Dice
08. Love In Vain
09. Sweet Virginia
10. You Can´t Always Get What You Want
Disc2:
01. All Down The Line (MSG, July 25, 1972 (1st show))
02. Midnight Rambler
03. Band Introductions
04. Bye Bye Johnny
05. Rip This Joint
06. Jumpin´ Jack Flash
07. Street Fighting Man
08. Uptight/Satisfaction (with Stevie Wonder)
Notes/Quality:
This previously unavailable source has been rumoured for years.
There is another source for this show out there which I posted on STG two years ago: "Five Englishmen Spend A Day In A New York Garden", a 3CD set which also includes the afternoon show and was kindly sent to me by the taper himself, Mr. darth9neo.
This new source sounds better (particularly during the first few songs) but is less complete: "All Down The Line" is missing. A performance of the song from another concert (July 25 (1st show)) has been inserted to make it sound like a complete show. The missing song and its replacement with another performance from a different show is not mentioned anywhere on the artwork. The bootleggers probably thought noone would notice but TornAndFrayed noticed it right away during his first listen.
I don´t know why the original performance wasn´t included. Maybe the song wasn´t recorded or there were problems with the original tape source.
TornAndFrayed (mjake on dime)
http://de.geocities.com/mjahke/ |
14th August 2006 10:47 AM |
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mac_daddy |
wahoo!!!
thanks alot - i ALWAYS look forward to the sources you seed, mjake!
it is wonderful to see you seeding here...
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14th August 2006 10:49 AM |
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gimmekeef |
As far as mp3's versus wav/flac...i'm no expert but isnt the size of the file a way to determine quality?.....Thanks...still learning here.... |
14th August 2006 10:57 AM |
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charlotte |
quote: mac_daddy wrote:
wahoo!!!
thanks alot - i ALWAYS look forward to the sources you seed, mjake!
it is wonderful to see you seeding here...
I second that!!! Cheers mate!!! |
14th August 2006 11:30 AM |
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TornAndFrayed |
quote: mac_daddy wrote:
wahoo!!!
thanks alot - i ALWAYS look forward to the sources you seed, mjake!
it is wonderful to see you seeding here...
Thanks everybody for the kind words. I´m planning to upload a few more shows so stay tuned... |
14th August 2006 12:04 PM |
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Pauli |
DAC has also released July 25, 1972 (2nd show) recently. The name of the CD is "The Great Lost Live Album". I was planning to upload it today, but I think I pass it now. There is no reason to seed two version of the same concert.
Anyone interested in this:
Absolutely Mindblowing, Dog N Cat Records DAC-048, 4CD
Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, 18.2.2006
Super Bowl - Ford Field, Detroit, MI, 5.2.2006
River Plate Stadium, Buenos Aires, Argentina, 21.2.2006
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14th August 2006 12:14 PM |
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TornAndFrayed |
quote: Pauli wrote:
DAC has also released July 25, 1972 (2nd show) recently. The name of the CD is "The Great Lost Live Album". I was planning to upload it today, but I think I pass it now. There is no reason to seed two version of the same concert.
Feel free to upload yours as well. I haven´t heard the DAC version, yet but I have always wanted to compare it with the SM bootleg I´m seeding. Maybe the DAC release is an upgrade.
Do you know if the DAC bootleg uses the same source recording as the SM release? Have they inserted the correct performance of "All Down The Line"?
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