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Topic: German critics mock wrinkled rockers on tour trail Return to archive
26th August 2007 10:08 PM
Ten Thousand Motels German critics mock wrinkled rockers on tour trail
Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:32AM IST

BERLIN (Reuters) - Rock stars from the 1960s and 1970s have been hitting Germany's lucrative concert circuit but many of the grandpa-generation acts have disappointed fans and provoked withering reviews in Europe's biggest music market.

The Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, Genesis, the Who, the Police and Black Sabbath are among the acts appearing this summer in arenas between the Black Forest and the Baltic, in Europe's richest nation with a wealth of top-class concert venues.

The German dates are part of a wider trend as bands try to compensate for falling record sales, but never before have so many old-established acts swept the country, known for its loyal rock fans, efficient organisation and high ticket sales.

"You can see the trend most clearly in Germany," said Christian Diekmann, chief operating officer at Deutsche Entertainment -- one of Germany's main concert organisers -- of the proliferation of wrinkly rockers taking the stage.

"It's got Europe's biggest economy and the most purchasing power," he told Reuters. "There are good-sized cities across the country and they all have football stadiums or good venues."

However, the reviews -- and ticket sales -- have been mixed.

"The question is 'why are they bothering?'," said Harald Peters, culture editor and music critic of the newspaper Welt am Sonntag. "Some of these groups are just plain burned out. Others are just old and boring.

"They're getting torn to shreds in reviews. I'm not saying all of them should have stopped at 40. But with some, it's so bizarre and you wonder why. Do they need the money? Didn't they get an education? Can't they do anything else for a living?"

Other critics have mocked the ageing rockers and some newspapers published unflattering pictures of performers who have lived the rock-star lifestyle, looking older than their years.

Ticket sales for a Rolling Stones' concert in Frankfurt in June were sluggish. The Peter Rieger concert agency then announced it would cut the capacity at the arena by 10,000 to 25,000 and reduced the lowest ticket prices to 59 euros from 82 euros.


'WE'RE STILL GOOD'

"Some people should retire at 30," Mick Jagger, 64, was quoted as telling Kirsten Szastrau of the newspaper Allgemeine Zeitung Mainz when she asked him bluntly when he was going to quit.

"I know that there's a lot of talk about that (retirement). But those are rules bureaucrats make. If you're an artist, poet or musician, other things matter. We have the feeling we're still a very good band, and we love what we're doing. Besides that, I'm a terrible plumber. There's nothing else I could do."

Other older bands such as Aerosmith and Genesis have had unenthusiastic reviews.

"The fondness for travel by the senior citizens has nothing to do with art," wrote Jochen Temsch, a critic at Munich's Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper.

"It is business interests that are keeping them going. Sales of recordings have been falling for years in face of the digital challenge and new sources of revenue are needed: live concerts."

Diekmann, whose Deutsche Entertainment is Germany's number two organiser, said revenues from concerts would hit a record 3 billion euros ($4 billion) in 2007, double the value of record sales.

"The live concert market is growing rapidly," Diekmann said.

He said there was enough demand in Germany for the ageing stars. Ticket prices were often higher than elsewhere. But he conceded that not all the acts lived up to expectations and some seemed to be cashing in on past glories.

OLD ROCKERS

"I think you have to differentiate when talking about 'old rockers'," he said, referring to one of the unflattering terms used in Germany to describe musicians with thinning hair, wrinkles or expanding waistlines.

"Some of them have developed their music further, adapted to to the times," Diekmann said. "But there are others who haven't.

"The market is the ultimate determining factor," he said. "Where there's demand, there will be concerts. These are artists. They won't be putting on concerts if no one wants to see them."

Bild am Sonntag gave the "rock dinosaurs" ratings from one guitar ("Hey grandpa, get off the stage!") to five guitars ("world class"). Genesis topped the survey with five guitars while the Rolling Stones got three.

"The rock used to be so much better, a real celebration of music," said Rainer Franz, 45, a Stuttgart engineer. He has been Genesis fan since seeing them live the first time in 1983. "I'll still go just about anywhere to see them live."

Advancing age is noticed not only in their music.

Police drummer Stewart Copeland, 55, observed in his blog of a stop in the band's first tour in 23 years this summer that vocalist and bass-player Sting was not as agile as he used to be.

"Last night Sting did a big leap for the cut-off hit, and he makes the same move tonight but he gets the footwork just a little bit wrong and doesn't quite achieve lift-off. The mighty Sting looks like a petulant pansy instead of the god of rock."

Others performing in Germany this year included Meat Loaf, who turns 60 next month, Lou Reed, 65, and Peter Gabriel, 57. The latter needed a teleprompter to help him remember the words.

Sueddeutsche Zeitung critic Sebastian Gierke said it was "almost tragic" to see Ozzy Osbourne, 58, at a "farcical" concert.

"He kept screaming 'I can't f---ing hear you!' over and over again. You felt like shouting back 'buy a goddamn hearing aid and maybe you'll realise you're singing everything off key'."
26th August 2007 11:27 PM
mrhipfl well there sure aren't many "wrinkly rockers" that can still pull off a decent rock show. My own experience tells me that. The Stones and Aerosmith, however, do NOT belong in that category!
27th August 2007 01:20 AM
stonedinaustralia "Don't mention the Wrinkles!!"

(with apologies to our german posters)
27th August 2007 01:27 AM
Poison Dart Oh well,

Someone should tell the writer that ABB was the biggest tour in history.

Someone is paying to see the Stones.
27th August 2007 01:30 AM
Highwire Rob DA DA DA
27th August 2007 01:45 AM
Zack ". . . The mighty Sting looks like a petulant pansy instead of the god of rock."

That Copeland's a funny guy. Anybody see his movie?
27th August 2007 07:06 AM
corgi37 Seems to me like the Germans are spoiling for round 3!!
27th August 2007 08:44 AM
Mr Jurkka Plaa plaa plaaah
27th August 2007 08:45 AM
Mr Jurkka
quote:


"I know that there's a lot of talk about that (retirement). But those are rules bureaucrats make. If you're an artist, poet or musician, other things matter. We have the feeling we're still a very good band, and we love what we're doing. Besides that, I'm a terrible plumber. There's nothing else I could do."




You go mick! Well said.
27th August 2007 09:27 AM
gimmekeef Sour Krauts!........
27th August 2007 10:30 AM
MrPleasant I love the germans. If it wasn't for them, there would be no decent classical music.
27th August 2007 10:51 AM
mrhipfl
quote:
MrPleasant wrote:
I love the germans. If it wasn't for them, there would be no decent classical music.



what about Mozart??
27th August 2007 11:06 AM
Joey

Didn't the Germans learn anything , ANYTHING from WWII ?!


Didn't they ....... ?! . WAIT !!! PLEASE HOLD THAT THOUGHT !!!! :


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27th August 2007 12:34 PM
mojoman
quote:
mrhipfl wrote:


what about Mozart??



salzburg. used to be part of bavaria.
27th August 2007 12:45 PM
mrhipfl
quote:
mojoman wrote:


salzburg. used to be part of bavaria.



oh, I always thought he was Austrian?...
27th August 2007 12:46 PM
pdog Hitler would be 118 years old today....

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27th August 2007 01:00 PM
mojoman
quote:
mrhipfl wrote:


oh, I always thought he was Austrian?...



politically austrian, culturally german?
27th August 2007 01:26 PM
Joey
quote:
mojoman wrote:


politically austrian, culturally german?





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