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Topic: Abbie Hoffman appreciation Thread Return to archive
25th August 2006 04:07 PM
Ten Thousand Motels Democracy is not something that you believe in, or something that you hang your hat on. It's something that you do, you participate. Without participation, democracy crumbles and fails. If you participate, you win, and the future is yours.

Revolution is not something fixed in ideology, nor is it something fashioned to a particular decade. It is a perpetual process embedded in the human spirit.
Abbie Hoffman (1936 - 1989), Steal this Book
25th August 2006 04:18 PM
Taptrick
A creative guy. But the idea of criticising captilaism, then getting arrested for selling cocaine (a hypocriticaly capitalist action), and then running away - leaves me not a fan.

25th August 2006 04:32 PM
Taptrick And I do have to give him credit for this nice quote:

“The '60s are gone, dope will never be as cheap, sex never as free, and the rock and roll never as great.”


25th August 2006 04:36 PM
Ten Thousand Motels
quote:
Taptrick wrote:
And I do have to give him credit for this nice quote:

“The '60s are gone, dope will never be as cheap, sex never as free, and the rock and roll never as great.”




It ain't over yet.
25th August 2006 04:38 PM
Ten Thousand Motels Street Fighting Man
(M. Jagger/K. Richards)

Ev'rywhere I hear the sound of marching, charging feet, boy
'Cause summer's here and the time is right for fighting in the street, boy
Well then what can a poor boy do
Except to sing for a rock 'n' roll band
'Cause in sleepy London town
There's just no place for a street fighting man
No!

Hey! Think the time is right for a palace revolution
'Cauce where I live the game to play is compromise solution
Well then what can a poor boy do
Except to sing for a rock 'n' roll band
'Cause in sleepy London town
There's no place for a street fighting man
No!
Get down

Hey! Said my name is called disturbance
I'll shout and scream, I'll kill the king, I'll rail at all his servants
Well, what can a poor boy do
Except to sing for a rock 'n' roll band
'Cause in sleepy London town
There's no place for a street fighting man
No
Get down

25th August 2006 04:50 PM
Ten Thousand Motels

[Edited by Ten Thousand Motels]
25th August 2006 07:47 PM
Brainbell Jangler
"We are here to make a better world. No amount of rationalization or blaming can preempt the moment of choice each of us brings to our situation here on this planet. The lesson of the '60s is that people who cared enough to do right could change history. We didn't end racism but we ended legal segregation. We ended the idea that you could send half-a-million soldiers around the world to fight a war that people do not support. We ended the idea that women are second-class citizens. We made the environment an issue that couldn't be avoided. The big battles that we won cannot be reversed. We were young, self-righteous, reckless, hypocritical, brave, silly, headstrong and scared half to death.

"And we were right."--Abbie Hoffmann
25th August 2006 08:12 PM
geecee Pete Townshend had the right idea at Woodstock when he twatted the prick off the stage
25th August 2006 08:19 PM
Riffhard Fuck Abbie Hoffman! Stupid communist!



Riffy
25th August 2006 09:32 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:
Riffhard wrote:
Fuck Abbie Hoffman! Stupid communist!
Riffy


Abbie says, "Fuck you, too. And while we're at it, fuck the system."
25th August 2006 09:46 PM
glencar I think we're all glad that he's finally quiet. He was nothing but a blowhard.
25th August 2006 09:52 PM
Riffhard
quote:
Brainbell Jangler wrote:

Abbie says, "Fuck you, too. And while we're at it, fuck the system."





Yeah,yeah,yeah BJ. However,if fuckin' Abbie fuckin' Hoffman would have tried to slam the system of the communist countries he loved so much he would have been sentanced to twenty years hard labor. Prolly would have done that freak some good.


Riffy
25th August 2006 10:54 PM
*ginda I'll join this appreciation thread and offer my favorite AH quote -

"Avoid all needle drugs. The only dope worth shooting is Richard Nixon."
26th August 2006 10:00 AM
Mahatma Kane Jeeves Abbie was a fool
26th August 2006 11:40 AM
GotToRollMe I dug Abbie, and "Steal This Book" is definitely worth a read.
26th August 2006 11:44 AM
VoodooChileInWOnderl
26th August 2006 05:14 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:
Riffhard wrote:
Yeah,yeah,yeah BJ. However,if fuckin' Abbie fuckin' Hoffman would have tried to slam the system of the communist countries he loved so much he would have been sentanced to twenty years hard labor. Prolly would have done that freak some good.
Riffy



Riffy, You're confusing the New Left with the Old Left. Yippies, and even their more serious counterparts in SDS, did not support the tired, oppressive Soviet-style bureaucracies. Perhaps you're not old enough to remember that fateful year, 1968. Shortly before Mayor Daley's police riot at the Chicago Democratic Convention, the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia (remember Czechoslovakia?). Protesters in Chicago, seeing the parallel between the violent militaristic subjugations of the freedom movements in Prague and the U.S., carried signs that read "Czechago."
26th August 2006 10:50 PM
telecaster
quote:
Brainbell Jangler wrote:


Riffy, You're confusing the New Left with the Old Left. Yippies, and even their more serious counterparts in SDS, did not support the tired, oppressive Soviet-style bureaucracies. Perhaps you're not old enough to remember that fateful year, 1968. Shortly before Mayor Daley's police riot at the Chicago Democratic Convention, the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia (remember Czechoslovakia?). Protesters in Chicago, seeing the parallel between the violent militaristic subjugations of the freedom movements in Prague and the U.S., carried signs that read "Czechago."



You are comparing Chicago 1968 to the Soviet's dropping the hammer on Czechoslovakia?

Please

Howe many people were killed in Chicago? Zero
Howe many tanks were used in Chicago? Zero
'
A couple of smelly hippies got roughed up by a couple of Chicago cops. Big deal

Funny that Abbies partner in crime wised up and became a conservative stock broker. Jerry Rubin I think
26th August 2006 11:33 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:
telecaster wrote:


You are comparing Chicago 1968 to the Soviet's dropping the hammer on Czechoslovakia?

Please

Howe many people were killed in Chicago? Zero
Howe many tanks were used in Chicago? Zero
'
A couple of smelly hippies got roughed up by a couple of Chicago cops. Big deal

Funny that Abbies partner in crime wised up and became a conservative stock broker. Jerry Rubin I think


4 dead in Ohio.
26th August 2006 11:36 PM
not bound to please
quote:
telecaster wrote:


You are comparing Chicago 1968 to the Soviet's dropping the hammer on Czechoslovakia?

Please

Howe many people were killed in Chicago? Zero
Howe many tanks were used in Chicago? Zero
'
A couple of smelly hippies got roughed up by a couple of Chicago cops. Big deal

Funny that Abbies partner in crime wised up and became a conservative stock broker. Jerry Rubin I think




The police are not here to create disorder, they're here to preserve disorder.
Richard J. Daley


"Da police are not here to create disorder; dere here to preserve disorder." -Richard J. Daley, Chicago mayor, explaining to the media the role of the police during the riotous 1968 Democratic National Convention.
Police keep order. That's why, for example, they issue tickets for "disturbing the peace." Thus the only logical conclusion to Mayor Daley's famous quote above – other than dismissing it as the result of a tangled tongue – is sometimes disorder spawns order. Sounds impossible, right? Wrong.


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According to a computational study conducted by a group of physicists at Washington University in St. Louis, one may create order by introducing disorder.

While working on their model – a network of interconnected pendulums, or "oscillators" – the researchers noticed that when driven by ordered forces the various pendulums behaved chaotically and swung out of sync like a group of intoxicated synchronized swimmers. This was unexpected – shouldn't synchronized forces yield synchronized pendulums?

But then came the real surprise: When they introduced disorder – forces were applied at random to each oscillator – the system became ordered and synchronized.

"The thing that is counterintuitive is that when you introduce disorder into the system – when the [forces on the pendulums] act at random – the chaos that was present before disappears and there is order," said Sebastian F. Brandt, physics graduate student and lead author of the study which appeared in the January 2006 edition of Physical Review Letters.

Insights into other realms

The physicists' research is not only hard to grasp for non-physicists, but puzzling for physicists, too. As supervisor Ralf Wessel, Ph.D., Washington University associate professor of physics in Arts & Sciences said, "Every physicist who hears this is surprised."

Research on the role of disorder in complex systems is quite new and not well understood. Wessel hopes that one day its theoretical understanding will be better than it is today.

Nevertheless, the researchers believe the model could provide insights outside the realm of theoretical physics.

Neurons, for example, have been modeled as interconnected, or "coupled", oscillators because of the way they interact with one another. In the model, coupled oscillators can be imagined as being tethered to their nearest neighbor, thus influencing their movement. Neurons, on the other hand, may display repetitive electrical activity that can be influenced by the activity of neighboring neurons.

Though it's a bit of a stretch, admits Babette K. Dellen, Ph.D, the study may help to solve previously unexplained observations. Dellen first studied the model system in a neurological context. She set the project aside and then Brandt joined the research group and became intrigued with the concept of disorder-induced synchronization and delved more deeply. Finally, the three put the paper together.

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Dellen explains that neurons can exhibit synchronous activity in response to a stimulus. To this point, she said, nobody has come up with an adequate explanation. And Wessel said, "Maybe the details of the neurons are completely irrelevant. Maybe it is only a property of oscillators."

Oscillators like a child on a swing

A vital similarity between the model system and neurons is that they are both "nonlinear" – meaning that there is not a linear, or straight-ahead, correlation between the applied force and displacement. In other words, the oscillators in the model may be likened to a child on a swing. Within a mall range, the child will move in constant proportion to how hard you push them – if you push twice as hard, they will go twice as far. But nearly all complex systems in nature, like the physicists' model, are nonlinear. Once the child gets to a certain height, pushing twice as hard will not make the child go twice as far.

Neurons are composed of many elements and are typically nonlinear.

"When you hear your favorite music twice as loud you don't double the pleasure," mused Brandt, explaining how one aspect of the brain – hearing – is nonlinear.

While other research has shown that disorder can create order, these studies often involved manipulating parameters within the systems such as changing pendulum length. The researchers say that their work is novel because it involves changing externally applied forces. Thus, they believe, their findings might have potential in the real world, where it would be more difficult to change parameters within the system – neurons, for example – but relatively simple to apply an external forcing.

"This is of course basic research," said Brandt. "But what you can learn from this is that complex systems... sometimes behave in a very unexpected way, completely opposite to your intuition or expectation. … It will be interesting to see if the mechanism that we have found can actually be put to some use."

Source: Washington University in St. Louis, By Douglas M. Main


[Edited by not bound to please]
27th August 2006 01:19 PM
Riffhard I just wanted to bump this thread so I could once again say,"Fuck Abbie Hoffman!!!" Fuck him and everyone that thinks like him. He was an asshole by all acounts. He lived and died in the greatest country in the world and all he could do was bitch about it. Fuck him. Fuck his dead rotting pathetic corpse. Oh by the way,did I mention to fuck everyone that thinks like him? Because if I didn't please let me do that now. FUCK EVERYONE THAT THINKS LIKE HIM!!!!!! I'm thankful that he's dead.


Yes. I'm hungover like a motherfucker.


Riffy
27th August 2006 01:33 PM
Highwire Rob

quote:
On August 24, 1967; Abbie Hoffman led a group opposed to capitalism (and other things, including the Vietnam War) in the gallery of the New York Stock Exchange. The protestors threw fistfuls of (mostly fake) dollar bills down to the traders below, who began to scramble frantically to grab the money, as fast as they could. Hoffman claimed to be pointing out that, metaphorically, that's what NYSE traders "were already doing". The NYSE then installed barriers in the gallery, to prevent this kind of protest from interfering with trading again.


{From flickr.com; http://www.flickr.com/photos/elissa...sini/189662972/}
28th August 2006 09:51 AM
rasputin56 I love Abbie Hoffman. Anyone who can get Riffy into one of his patented fuckin' commie corpse, luv it or leve it rants must've been doing something right, man.
28th August 2006 01:04 PM
monkey_man
quote:
Riffhard wrote:

Yes. I'm hungover like a motherfucker.




Fucking hilarious!!
28th August 2006 01:12 PM
sirmoonie
quote:
monkey_man wrote:


Fucking hilarious!!



28th August 2006 01:39 PM
texile i loved his passion - unlike jerry rubin, abbie still kept fighting for what he believed in....and acknowledged the mistakes and hypocracies of the radical left of the 60s generation..
he was flawed and had a troubled life, but his heart was in the right place.
instigators are always prickly and abbie could piss people off.
28th August 2006 10:56 PM
Brainbell Jangler
quote:
rasputin56 wrote:
I love Abbie Hoffman. Anyone who can get Riffy into one of his patented fuckin' commie corpse, luv it or leve it rants must've been doing something right, man.



I was thinking the same thing. Wacko Sixties radical reaches from beyond the grave to twist Riffy's panties into a bunch.
29th August 2006 01:07 PM
jb not even remotely interested at this time
29th August 2006 01:36 PM
jb Abbie had the greatest Jew-Fro, with Gabe Kaplan a close 2nd.
29th August 2006 01:44 PM
not bound to please
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