| August 14th, 2004 11:05 PM |
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I wish all the best to Charlie! Having said that, I hate to sound selfish, but it really hits home that the end of the Stones could happen at any time. The Stones kept rolling after Bill quit, but they are done if Charlie's gone...no fill in drummer...they are done! I shutter to think of it. Get well, Charlie...please! |
| August 14th, 2004 11:12 PM |
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| Gazza |
>Reminds me of this rumour (seemed fairly legit since some senior members here seemed to be in the knopw) last year about one of them being ill, was that it?
No. That story concerned Mick and some throat problems he had during the European tour which caused some postponements. Mick was basically advised not to sing for two nights in succession any more, which is why one date (London Sept 14th) was brought forward 24 hours and shows in Amsterdam and Twickenham were postponed.
The story some of us heard was that there would be no Stones touring activity for the first half of 2004 because Mick was going to need minor corrective surgery on his throat (I emphasise the word 'minor', it was more to do with nodes affecting his ability to sing as opposed to the more serious problems that Charlie has). We didnt post it because, while the sources seemed reliable, it wasn't confirmed and for that reason the story could have been twisted into something that it wasn't.
I have no idea whether or not such surgery took place. If it did, it was obviously done quietly and without any fuss. I get the impression however, that, in the end, he didn't require any.
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| August 14th, 2004 11:34 PM |
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| moonlightmile |
God bless you Charlie, get well soon!!!!!!
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| August 14th, 2004 11:53 PM |
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Prayers are with ye, Charlie |
| August 15th, 2004 12:37 AM |
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quote:
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NOW DON'T ALL YOU GET INTO THE STUDIO/STOP JETSETTING/STOP GUEST SPOTTING IDIOTS FEEL STUPID.STEP ON UP!!
I never feel stupid compared to you! |
| August 15th, 2004 12:40 AM |
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This is bad news really shocking news |
| August 15th, 2004 12:51 AM |
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| gypsy |
Let's all just send our prayers to Charlie. I totally believe in the power of prayers...I've seen a lot of miracles.
He sure has aged well...very distinguished and handsome, a full head of hair, and some awesome arm muscles. Get well, Charlie! |
| August 15th, 2004 01:11 AM |
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| JaggaRichards |
Get well soon Charlie.
We love you!! |
| August 15th, 2004 01:11 AM |
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| Gimme Shelter |
Cancer fucking sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All my prayers, Charlie |
| August 15th, 2004 01:14 AM |
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Dedicated man, dedicated musician, you have never lost your touch. Inside the band, you surely stand for the one who hasn't lost your musical ability. Excuse my poor english writing Charlie, just make yourself sure that there are lots of poor motherfuckers like me who wouldn't know what life could become without Rolling Fuckin' Stones. And please, even if you, our hearoes, decide to stop touring after the next World Tour (which of course will reach Brazil and ARgentina with a schedule plenty of Stadium nights in São Paulo), don't fade away, don't stop....hell, wasn't you guys that said "Don't Stop" after 40 fuckin' years? Keep the music going on and on. We still don't know how to live without the hope and thrill of waiting your interviews, press conferences.
When I say that MY SOUL BELONGS TO KEITH RICHARDS, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO, I'VE MADE UP MY MIND,I am standing something real, something that my heart daily cries loudly.... Rolling Stones, not just a band with 40 years on the road, but a true ERA OF THE HISTORY.
YOU CAN'T KILL ROCK'N'ROLL, AND DO NOT LOOK BUSY, I AM TALKING TO YOU, FACE ME, IT'S CARVED IN MY SOUL
Beautiful words, J.! I have the same feelings as you, at this sad moment. God bless Charlie and let him recover soon. |
| August 15th, 2004 02:05 AM |
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What a shocker. This really sucks. Hopefully, Charlie is back to full health soon. Only then can we dream about new Stones albums, etc. Seems kinda cruel that he gets this while Keith is still puffing away on his cigarettes.
This has got got me thinking. How and when are the Stones going to go? My propechy? I swear, in the next 30 years, we're gonna see Charlie gone (hopefully not for a long time and not because of this cancer), Ronnie too (he might get through this scare but time's-a ticking with his bad health), Mick drop dead of a heart attack or something while he jogs at the age of 95.
Meanwhile, old forgotten Bill dies at the age of 88 in a hotel room of natural causes after a night with some floozy (ala Entwhistle), and Mick T. dies of lung failure brought on by his massive 300 pound frame at the age of 78. All the while Keith will survive. He will one day tour with his modern version of the X-pensive Winos: "Keith Richards and the X-pensive Winos World Tour 2034: This May Be the Last Time... or not." And not too far after that, he'll drop dead on stage of natural causes with a cig in his mouth and high amounts of Vodka/Sunkist in his system at the tender age of 103 even though he refused modern treatments for life prolongation.
I know it's not great to talk about Stones members dying, but this was just something I had to envision, as it is an inevitability. But Charlie, don't go now because there's still some great music to be made. All my prayers and wishes go out to you. |
| August 15th, 2004 02:26 AM |
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| August 15th, 2004 04:34 AM |
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>Reminds me of this rumour (seemed fairly legit since some senior members here seemed to be in the knopw) last year about one of them being ill, was that it?
No. That story concerned Mick and some throat problems he had during the European tour which caused some postponements
Thanks for clarifying! Somehow that was the impression I had at the time.
Again, let's hope the "upbeatness" about Charlie continues, but one only has to read the "erroneous" comment about Charlie having stopped smoking in the 1960s (I'm pretty positive I saw a pic of Charlie with a fag in 1977) to put PR's into perspective ;-)
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| August 15th, 2004 05:19 AM |
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The report in the Sunday Times is a bit more accurate than some:
August 15, 2004
Stones drummer undergoes treatment for cancer
Brendan Bourne
LEGENDARY rock drummer Charlie Watts, the “quiet” Rolling Stone, has been fighting throat cancer for the past two months.
Watts, 63, was diagnosed in June following a minor operation and has been undergoing radiotherapy treatment at the Royal Marsden hospital, in south west London.
A spokesman for the band said last night doctors had told Watts they anticipated the treatment would be successful. He has completed four of the six weeks therapy.
“He’s expected to make a full recovery and start work with the rest of the band later in the year,” the spokesman said.
Watts has been supported by wife Shirley, daughter Seraphina, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Ronnie Wood and former Stone Bill Wyman.
Regarded as a straight foil to his bandmates’ demonic lifestyles, Watts has been married for 40 years and lives the life of a gentleman horsebreeder in the stately seclusion of his 16th-century estate in north Devon.
He no longer drinks alcohol, gave up cigarettes, at least the tailor-made variety, in the late Eighties and says coffee is now the strongest stimulant he enjoys.
Though in what he describes as his “mid-life crisis” 20 years ago he succumbed for a few years to the rock’n’roll lifestyle developing a serious drink and heroin addiction.
“During this period I was personally in a hell of a mess. I’d never done any serious drugs when I was younger but at this point in my life I went, ‘Sod it, I’ll do it now,” he once recalled.
“And I was totally reckless. This phase lasted for a couple of years but it took a long time for me and my family to get over it. I was very ill. I wouldn’t say I was dying, but I looked like I was.”
Watts is renowned as the engine to the world’s most successful rock band: solid, dependable and highly competent. He joined Jagger, Richards, Wyman and Brian Jones in 1962 from Alexis Korner and Blues Incorporated and has successfully merged his Stones’ work with his love of jazz and blues since. He has recorded with blues legends such as B B King and Howlin’ Wolf, and played Ronnie Scott’s club in London with his tentet for two weeks in April.
He has also toured in a big band format displaying a sophisticated touch with brushes on swing and jazz classics.
In addition to his musical role with the Stones, Watts, who trained as a graphic artist, works with Mick Jagger and experts to create the dazzling stage shows which have captivated generations of fans.
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| August 15th, 2004 05:27 AM |
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| August 15th, 2004 05:44 AM |
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| TooTough |
Sad and shocking news.
After Keith broke his ribs in 1998 I realized that they are only HUMAN like anyone of us.
GET WELL SOON, CHARLIE!
All the best to you!
Thanks again for the autograph you gave me at the catwalk in Prague´s Sports Hall in 1998. |
| August 15th, 2004 05:48 AM |
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| Jumping Jack |
god bless you charlie, get well soon |
| August 15th, 2004 05:49 AM |
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| Hannalee |
Rally round, boys
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| August 15th, 2004 05:49 AM |
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quote:
gotdablouse wrote:
[quote]Gazza wrote:
>Reminds me of this rumour (seemed fairly legit since some senior members here seemed to be in the knopw) last year about one of them being ill, was that it?
No. That story concerned Mick and some throat problems he had during the European tour which caused some postponements[quote]
Thanks for clarifying! Somehow that was the impression I had at the time.
Again, let's hope the "upbeatness" about Charlie continues, but one only has to read the "erroneous" comment about Charlie having stopped smoking in the 1960s (I'm pretty positive I saw a pic of Charlie with a fag in 1977) to put PR's into perspective ;-)
I don't think Charlie smoked consecutively in the 70's Although I do belive he went there sometimes. I think he quit during the early to late seventies then started again a bit in the late seventies. I seen pics with him in the early seventies with a cig but none till one in like 78 before Some Girls tour. He was a pretty regular smoker in the 60's however. I have seen no Pics of him with a smoke in the 80's and surely not in the 90's or now.
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| August 15th, 2004 09:04 AM |
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What a shocker, lets just hope that Charlie gets over this.
Don't you just love the massive reception he always gets when Mick announces him and the bemused expression on his face as he acknowledges it!
Here's to a long life to Charlie, and the rest of the band, past and present.
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| August 15th, 2004 09:07 AM |
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Imagine the applause Charlie will get the next time around!!! The house will rock! |
| August 15th, 2004 09:28 AM |
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Imagine the applause Charlie will get the next time around!!! The house will rock!
Yep!! God is on your side, Charlie! |
| August 15th, 2004 09:39 AM |
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Hopefully this is not a bigger deal than is being reported and he'll be fine.
Here's wishing the best to the best.
Hang tough Charlie!
We all luv ya!
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| August 15th, 2004 10:08 AM |
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| BILL PERKS |
CHARLIE WAS STILL SMOKING WHEN PROMOTING THE BIG BAND TOUR IN 86..KOOLS TO BE EXACT... |
| August 15th, 2004 10:23 AM |
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| gimmekeef |
We are all with you Charlie!!!!!!!!!..and Keith keeps rolling on..... |
| August 15th, 2004 10:34 AM |
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I heard the news late last night from the scroll rollin' on CNN.
Thanks everyone for posting so many articles that give such good details regarding Charlie's condition. He IS gonna be just fine...he's doing what he must taking care of this early on...good for him!
If Eddie Van Halen made it through his bout of tongue/throat cancer so will Charlie. I think Eddie's was much worse (although I do not know this for certain) and of course he's still smokin' like a fiend and makes a big deal display of that at his shows.....he does the flip-the-cig-into-his-mouth trick..........oh well.
My prayers go out to Charlie and his family and friends. It's heartwarming to know he is surrounded by such love and support.
I know he will soon be good to go.. if he isn't already there. I can feel it.
God Bless you Charlie Watts! I, for one, am NOT worried about you!
Charlie... Charlie.... Charlie... Charlie......
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peace,
Martha
PS Is there a way to send cards of well wishes to Charlie?
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| August 15th, 2004 11:06 AM |
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| August 15th, 2004 11:57 AM |
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from today's Sunday Mirror
STONE CHARLIE HAS CANCER BUT VOWS: I'LL BEAT IT
Aug 15 2004
By Ben Todd Showbusiness Editor
ROLLING STONES legend Charlie Watts has throat cancer, the Sunday Mirror can reveal. The 63-year-old drummer, "the quiet one" of the world's most famous rock and roll band, discovered a lump on his neck two months ago and consulted doctors immediately.
A biopsy confirmed the tumour was malignant and Charlie is now having intensive radiotherapy treatment.
A close friend said yesterday: "It's a very difficult time. Charlie is determined to keep strong but he wouldn't be human if he wasn't finding it hard.
"Even so, he's remaining upbeat. He's just getting on with things and insists he's fine."
Each morning, Charlie leaves his smart Chelsea address and takes the short walk to the Royal Marsden Hospital for radiotherapy.
Looking gaunt and frail, a bandage covering the left side of his neck, he strolls into the South-West London hospital, which specialises in cancer care.
He has completed about three-quarters of his six-week course of radiotherapy.
Throughout the ordeal, Charlie's wife Shirley - they married in 1964 - has been a constant source of support, helping him through the trying time.
The friend said: "Shirley has known for some time of Charlie's illness and has coped really well. She has been really positive.
"Even after all these years, they still adore each other and she provides the ultimate support system for him.
His beloved daughter Seraphina and her daughter Charlotte jetted in from their Bermuda home to visit Charlie three weeks ago.
The friend revealed: "That's really helped keep his spirits up."
Charlie is believed to have reacted well to the treatment and doctors are hopeful he will make a full recovery.
A Rolling Stones spokesman last night confirmed: "Charlie is reaching the end of radiotherapy treatment having been diagnosed with throat cancer following a minor operation in June.
"He is expected to make a full recovery and start work with the rest of the band later in the year."
Charlie, who is worth an estimated £80million, quit smoking more than 15 years ago.
But throughout his career, he has been a regular performer at jazz clubs -notorious for their smoky atmosphere - whenever he has had any free time from the Stones. And there are fears that, like the
late TV presenter Roy Castle, he has been the victim of passive smoking.
Last night, cancer expert Dr Muir Gray told the Sunday Mirror: "If a heavy smoker quit 10 to 15 years ago then the risks of contracting cancer usually drop to the same as if they had never picked up a cigarette.
"But if they continue to work in a smoky atmosphere, they are still inhaling the equivalent of three cigarettes a day."
Earlier this year, Charlie's bandmate Ronnie Wood said he had been ordered to quit smoking by doctors after traces of deadly lung disease emphysema were found during a routine scan.
Speaking to the Sunday Mirror, Wood confessed: "The doctors said that if I give up smoking now I can nip it in the bud - I still have powerful lungs.
"But they say if I smoke for another year, I could get emphysema and - boom - my lungs could collapse."
George Harrison died of throat cancer in November 2001 after a long battle with the disease which he blamed on his life-long addiction to smoking.Like the former Beatle, Inspector Morse star John Thaw tragically died from throat cancer in February 2002 after a short illness. Journalist and broadcaster John Diamond, 47, was another victim.
Last night a friend of the Stones revealed how Ronnie and the rest of the band - Sir Mick Jagger and Keith Richards - have stood by Charlie since he was diagnosed.
"They have been rallying around as well as offering their support - but they're all determined to remain positive." the friend added.
"They are definitely looking forward to seeing him back in the studio in the next few months."
If he continues to react
positively to treatment, the rest of the Stones are due to welcome Charlie back in October.
Then they will go back into the recording studio to begin work on a new album. The veteran rockers will also begin rehearsals for another world tour starting next year.
Rock critics have never been able to work out why shy, self- deprecating Charlie ever hooked up with one of the world's wildest rock bands.
Even he admits that falling in with the likes of Jagger and Richards was "a complete accident".
While the others were hell-raising, sleeping around and taking drugs, Watts was colour-coding his socks and ringing his family. His only fall from grace was brief and came in the 1980s when he found himself with a heroin and an amphetamine problem. But it didn't last and he hasn't touched drugs - or drink - since.
These days he spends most of his time breeding horses and dogs at the 17th Century Devon manor house he owns with Shirley.
He still joins the Stones on their tours from time to time, but spends most of his time with his band Tentet, which consists of 12 musicians drawn from the cream of the British jazz scene.
In recent years, he has continued to play at blues clubs with his "other" bands, including The Charlie Watts Quintet. He's also dabbled in big band jazz with The Charlie Watts Orchestra. They went on to huge success but still regularly play tiny venues like Ronnie Scott's in London's Soho, which is what Watts always wanted to do.
He once said: "I couldn't have made a career out of it. I wasn't good enough. But, God, I love it." Charlie got his name as "the quiet one" when horrified at the results of his first-ever interview in the 1960s, he refused to speak to another journalist for more than 20 years.
Instead, he preferred to leave the one-to-one interviews to his more talkative colleagues - Mick and Keith.
He explained recently: "It's not that there was anything wrong with the interview, I just hated reading about myself. I still do.
"I think if Ronnie Wood were asked what his favourite subject was, he'd say Ronnie Wood. But he's very good at it and I'm not."
Charlie was born in 1941, the son of a British Rail lorry driver. He studied graphic design at Harrow Art College, then took a job in a West End advertising agency.
Around this time, in the early 1960s, he began playing drums in various local groups until he played his first gig with the Stones at the Flamingo Club, Soho in 1963.
But ask him to sum up his career 40 years later, and Charlie Watts is characteristically modest. "I suppose I've seen 40 years of Mick's bum running around in front of me," he once said. "That's all I can see when I'm at the back of the stage. But I'm not complaining. One of the biggest compliments I can have as a drummer is that someone is dancing to you. The drums should dance and they should make you want to dance."
His Stones pals are more gushing about Watts's talent. The biggest cheer on a tour usually comes when Jagger coaxes him out from behind his kit and introduces him to the audience as "Charlie on drums".
And Keith Richards once said: "I couldn't do my stuff if I didn't have Charlie Watts. I don't always realise how blessed I've been to work with a drummer like that for 40 years."
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MICK: QUIET ONE MADE US A BAND
THE books and fanzines say The Rolling Stones were officially born on July 12, 1962, at their first gig at London's Marquee Club.
But Mick Jagger has always said the Stones only came into being on January 14, 1963, when Watts joined on drums at Soho's Flamingo Club.
Named after a Muddy Waters song by school friends Mick and Keith, The Stones' best-known line up was Jagger, Richards, Brian Jones, bassist Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts. Together they produced eight No 1s in the 1960s.
They were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1989 and have released more than 30 albums to date.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A SMOKER
PASSIVE smokers are at as much risk of getting cancer as someone who smokes every day.
Dr Muir Gray, head of the Department of Health's National Cancer Screening, says people who sit in smoky atmospheres inhale the daily equivalent of around three cigarettes.
Dr Gray said: "It is relative - If you are in a smoky pub for three hours then you are 18 times more at risk of contracting cancer than someone who is in there for 10 minutes.'
He warned that passive smoking can be a major contributor to throat cancer, which strikes 7,200 people in Britain every year and is particularly deadly.
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from the Sunday Mirror's Editorial Page:
ROCK ON, CHARLIE
CHARLIE Watts has always been an unlikely member of the rock 'n' roll hall of fame. But as Rolling Stones' drummer for over 40 years, he is a true icon.
Today we reveal he is fighting throat cancer. We wish him well, and hope to see him drumming for many years to come.
Keep on rolling, Charlie.
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| August 15th, 2004 12:05 PM |
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from "The News Of The World"
EXCLUSIVE: Legend Watts fights throat disease
Stones Charlie battles cancer
By Rav Singh
LEGENDARY Rolling Stones drummer Charlie Watts is battling with killer throat cancer.
The 63-year-old rock star was diagnosed after undergoing an exploratory operation at Royal Marsden Hospital a month ago.
He is now having weekly radiotherapy treatment and has vowed to family and friends he is determined to beat the disease.
In his battle to stay fit and alive Charlie is even walking to the hospital in Chelsea, west London, for his regular appointments.
Tough
A pal told us: "He's as tough as old boots. If anyone can get through this he can.
"Of course it's a worrying time, but Charlie is being incredibly upbeat and is absolutely willing himself to make a full and complete recovery. He has talked to the rest of the band about it and they've all been incredibly supportive."
Charlie has also bravely told fellow Stones—Mick Jagger, 61, Ronnie Wood, 57, Keith Richards, 60, and ex-member Bill Wyman, 67— that he is resolved to get back in the recording studio in the next couple of months.
His devoted wife of 40 years, Shirley, and daughter Seraphina, 36, are right by Charlie's side in his fight for fitness.
Ironically Charlie—who is worth £80million—has always had a reputation as the healthy, clean-living Rolling Stone, while the others lived the wild rock 'n' roll lifestyle.
Apart from a three-year drink and drugs bender 20 years ago, he has always been more family man than bad boy.
Charlie once confessed that daughter Seraphina—mother of his eight-year-old grandchild Charlotte—has been more of a handful than he ever was.
"She's given me more headaches than any number of raucous Stones gigs," he said.
"She's one of those people who arrives home and says, ‘I'm pregnant!'" Recalling his brief fling with heroin, he explained: "During this period I was personally in a hell of a mess.
"I was in pretty bad shape, taking drugs and drinking a lot. I'd never done any serious drugs when I was younger but at this point in my life I went, ‘Sod it, I'll do it now.'
"And I was totally reckless. This phase lasted for a couple of years but it took a long time for me and my family to get over it."
He added: "I was very ill. I wouldn't say I was dying, but I looked like I was.
"Was it a midlife crisis? I don't know. I remember having this feeling that I missed out on everything because I was what I was.
"My personality changed completely. It was a nightmare for my daughter and wife."
It was the fear of losing his marriage that forced Charlie to get a grip of himself and clean up his act.
He said: "For six months I lived on nothing but nuts and raisins and then I added spinach.
"Keith said I'd become a monk. It was difficult at first. It showed me the power of drugs. I realised what they can do to you."
Now, when he's not on the Stones' world tours or performing as a jazz musician, Charlie and Shirley breed horses and dogs at their spread in Devon.
At home he keeps a special memento of a lifetime on the road with the world's greatest rock band—a portfolio of drawings he's made of EVERY bed he's ever slept in! And he aims to add a few more.
Last night an official Stones spokesman confirmed: "Having been diagnosed with throat cancer following a minor operation in June, Charlie is reaching the end of radiotherapy.
"He's expected to make a full recovery and start work with the rest of the band later in the year."
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A close pal added: "Charlie is a very brave man and it's business as usual for him. That's the way he's always been.
"Family means so much to him. He has always been a gentleman and totally in love with Shirley.
"She's obviously going through hell but is putting on a brave face— and every day Charlie tells her he loves her.
"It's not your usual rock star marriage. But then again, he's not your usual rock star."
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FIGHTING BACK: Charlie Watts with plaster on his neck after treatment
ROCK LEGEND: The Rolling Stones - Charlie with fellow band members Jagger, Richards, Wood, Wyman
DEVOTED: Charlie's wife Shirley by his side as he battles the disease
'Quiet man' who became rock giant
FOR an incredible 42 years Charlie Watts has been the "quiet man" of The Rolling Stones—the rock around which the band built their phenomenal success.
Famed for sharp suits and a gentle demeanour, Charlie was the voice of reason in what was the most outrageous band in the world. Behind the explosive mixture of Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, calm Charlie's relentless beat kept the whole thing together.
After art school and advertising work Charlie joined the Stones when they formed in 1962. He already had a reputation with bands like Alexis Korner's Blues Incorporated.
But with Mick, Keith, Brian Jones and Bill Wyman he was to conquer the world. Mick said: "We all thought Charlie was very kind of hip because of his jackets and shirts. He was very different. It was good for the band to have someone who was sort of sharp."
The boys began pumping out a string of massive hits like Not Fade Away and Paint it Black. In summer 1965 Satisfaction grabbed No1 in Britain and in America for 12 weeks.
By then Charlie had quietly married sweetheart Shirley—amazingly for showbiz they are still together 40 years on. In May 1968 Jumpin' Jack Flash went straight to No1. But in the following year came tragedy—Brian was found dead in a swimming pool.
But the band's success rolls on. Last year the Stones earned £55.3MILLION. They're still the world's highest-earning live band and no rivals have had more US or UK top 10 albums.
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