August 14th, 2005 03:07 AM |
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The Volitan |
Ok, I'm a child of the 90's so when I hear the term "R&B" I think R.Kelly or Backstreet Boys. But I've also read that the Stones were a R&B group in the 60's. So what songs of there's are 60's R&B. Is 'Walkin the dog" one? |
August 14th, 2005 07:12 AM |
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Ten Thousand Motels |
Someone help this guy out. |
August 14th, 2005 07:22 AM |
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M.O.W.A.T. |
quote: The Volitan wrote:
Ok, I'm a child of the 90's so when I hear the term "R&B" I think R.Kelly or Backstreet Boys. But I've also read that the Stones were a R&B group in the 60's. So what songs of there's are 60's R&B. Is 'Walkin the dog" one?
Just remember, in the 60's R&B stood for Rhythm & Blues. In the 90's R&B stands for Recycled Beats. |
August 14th, 2005 08:18 AM |
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corgi37 |
Holy fuck! R Kelly
No help
Just kill the blighter
RnB my ass. |
August 14th, 2005 08:24 AM |
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lotsajizz |
the shit you cited is NOT R&B...R&B then referred to electrified blues at first...there used to be blues purists who thought anything plugged in was not blues...so Muddy Water's electric albums for instance were characterized as R&B |
August 14th, 2005 08:24 AM |
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jb |
quote: corgi37 wrote:
Holy fuck! R Kelly
No help
Just kill the blighter
RnB my ass.
He enjoys a good piss.... |
August 14th, 2005 08:27 AM |
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Ten Thousand Motels |
quote: lotsajizz wrote:
the shit you cited is NOT R&B...R&B then referred to electrified blues at first...there used to be blues purists who thought anything plugged in was not blues...so Muddy Water's electric albums for instance were characterized as R&B
That makes sense. |
August 14th, 2005 11:06 AM |
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Nasty Habits |
Consumers of the blues didn't give a shit whether or not Muddy Waters played electric or not. Maybe a bunch of posing white people at Newport did, but I guarantee you there weren't a whole lot of folks who originally bought those 78s and 45s or danced at his shows who were all like "This guy sold out the blues by goin' electric!"
The things originally cited ARE R&B. We as Stones fans don't get to dictate what contemporary R&B music is and we never have. R&B is popular black music made for dancing and socializing. I mean, I don't like it either, but I am not the initial demographic for it, and neither are you. Just like we weren't the initial demo. for Muddy neither. And neither were those crazy English dudes what loved it.
However, yes, new R&B has little to do with the exciting, awesomely swinging music from the 40s and 50s that inspired the Stones. It's what they called rock and roll before white people started consuming it.
What the Stones did to make Stones music was take rhythm and blues and turn up the guitar, speed up the rhythm and snot up the vocals. This created the urgent rhythms. The Rolling Stones were never really an R&B group, although their music is a result of trying to be a rhythm and blues group.
Stones R&B: Walking the Dog, King Bee, You Can Make It If You Try, She Said Yeah, If You Need Me, Cry to Me, Everybody Needs Somebody to Love, Can I Get a Witness, I'm Moving On, and loads more - most of the stuff on the first four albums is rhythm and blues based rock and roll. |
August 14th, 2005 03:54 PM |
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The Volitan |
quote: Nasty Habits wrote:
Consumers of the blues didn't give a shit whether or not Muddy Waters played electric or not. Maybe a bunch of posing white people at Newport did, but I guarantee you there weren't a whole lot of folks who originally bought those 78s and 45s or danced at his shows who were all like "This guy sold out the blues by goin' electric!"
The things originally cited ARE R&B. We as Stones fans don't get to dictate what contemporary R&B music is and we never have. R&B is popular black music made for dancing and socializing. I mean, I don't like it either, but I am not the initial demographic for it, and neither are you. Just like we weren't the initial demo. for Muddy neither. And neither were those crazy English dudes what loved it.
However, yes, new R&B has little to do with the exciting, awesomely swinging music from the 40s and 50s that inspired the Stones. It's what they called rock and roll before white people started consuming it.
What the Stones did to make Stones music was take rhythm and blues and turn up the guitar, speed up the rhythm and snot up the vocals. This created the urgent rhythms. The Rolling Stones were never really an R&B group, although their music is a result of trying to be a rhythm and blues group.
Stones R&B: Walking the Dog, King Bee, You Can Make It If You Try, She Said Yeah, If You Need Me, Cry to Me, Everybody Needs Somebody to Love, Can I Get a Witness, I'm Moving On, and loads more - most of the stuff on the first four albums is rhythm and blues based rock and roll.
Thank you. I really just wanted to know what songs the Stones dide that were R/B. |
August 14th, 2005 04:03 PM |
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lotsajizz |
quote: Nasty Habits wrote:
Maybe a bunch of posing white people at Newport did, ....
who do you think makes/made the charts? not the black folks dancing in sweaty Chicago juke joints...the acoustic/electric distinction that now seems silly WAS an issue in the early 60's, one that Brian wrote about in his letters to editors |
August 14th, 2005 05:26 PM |
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FPM C10 |
Agreed. It was more of an issue in Britain than America.When Muddy first came to the UK, with his AMAZING band (Jimmy Rogers, Otis Spann et al), the UK audiences didn't like him. They were looking for stuff like Son House. It was really akin to Dylan's '66 tour. The second time Muddy went to the UK he came prepared to do acoustic stuff, but by then the audience was up to speed and wanted electric stuff! |
August 14th, 2005 05:30 PM |
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sirmoonie |
quote: The Volitan wrote:
Thank you. I really just wanted to know what songs the Stones dide that were R/B.
Okay, they told you. Now you tell us what songs the Backstreet boys did that were R/B. |