| August 13th, 2005 01:20 PM |
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| time is on my side |
I, like most people, was thrilled to hear SHE'S SO COLD included in the set list. First time the song was played live in 23 years. It was one of the highlights for many. GREAT SONG (I saw it live in 1981 and it was exciting to hear live) but let's put this song under the microscope, like we are doing with neocon, and pretend we are just going by the lyrical content. How many times is she's so cold mentioned??? Lyrical brillance???? It's the MUSIC which makes this a GREAT SONG not the lyrics!!!!
I'm so hot for her, I'm so hot (on fire) for her
I'm so hot for her and she's so cold
I'm the burning bush, I'm the burning fire
I'm the bleeding volcano
Yes, I tried re-wiring her, I tried re-firing her
I think her engine is permanently stalled
She's so cold, she's so cold
She's so cold, cold, cold like a tombstone
She's so cold, she's so cold
She's so cold, cold, cold like an ice cream cone
She's so cold, she's so cold
When I touch her, my hand just froze
Yeah, I'm so hot for her, I'm so hot for her
I'm so hot for her and it grieves me so
Put your hand on the heat, put your hand on the heat
Come on, baby, let's go
She's so cold, she's so cold, cold
She's so cold but she's beautiful, though
Yeah, she's so cold
She's so cold, she's so cold
I think she was born in an arctic zone
She's so cold, she's so cold
When I touch her, my hand just froze
She's so cold, she's so goddamn cold
She's so cold, cold, cold, she's so cold
Who would believe you were a beauty indeed?
When the days get shorter and the nights get long
Light fades and the rain comes
Nobody will know
When you're old, when you're old
Nobody will know
That you was a beauty, a sweet, sweet beauty
A sweet, sweet beauty but stone, stone cold
You're so cold, you're so cold, cold, cold
You're so cold, you're so cold
I'm so hot for you, I'm so hot for you
I'm so hot for you and you're so cold
I'm the burning bush, I'm the burning fire
I'm the bleeding volcano
TrackTalk
Charlie: She's So Cold, quite honestly, was a track that Keith had going that I didn't know what was going on it. And I'm the drummer. And Mick wrote lyrics and I never heard a thing until after. Quite honestly.
Ron: I remember you and Keith and me and Bill trashing over and over...
Mick: Actually I wrote it in an hour (...)
Charlie: And I had a great time making the record with Keith. But was he was going to
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| August 13th, 2005 01:40 PM |
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| Monkey Woman |
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Angiegirl wrote:
Never heard ANY Stones in a dance club. I usually hear dance. Or techno. Or tribal. Or... well, not Stones. Studio 54 is dead no?
Must depend on which clubs. I don't know about Holland, I've heard that it can happen here in France, a few DJs use Stones samples, or they put on Undercover. |
| August 13th, 2005 01:40 PM |
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| blackandblue |
Even the music is not that good. One of the weaker songs of ER (SHE IS SO COLD I mean)
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| August 13th, 2005 01:42 PM |
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| Moonisup |
but they had other good songs on ER, lyric wise. And what I heard from the new album, the lyrics aren't that good, almost as bad as the 4 new songs in 2002 and GITD |
| August 13th, 2005 01:56 PM |
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| Monkey Woman |
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Bloozehound wrote:
are mick's hats very nutritious ?
The one Luxy gave him must be top stuff!!!  |
| August 13th, 2005 02:02 PM |
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| Monkey Woman |
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The Wick wrote:
From the clip on amazon, it sounds like it completely flows to the music, which has always been one of Jagger's biggest skills.
My thoughts exactly! It's a song, so it's not the lyrics alone or the music alone, but both together, and if they flow together, if they are complimenting each other, it's a good song in my book. And from what I've heard (Amazon and Voodoo's sound clips), they flow very nicely, theres a nasty, menacing guitar sound, meshed with that sneering, twangy voice pouring abuse and taunts, like a speaker on his soapbox. It all fits.
I do agree, too, that the lyrics in SNC are not Jagger's best by far! Though there is some funny stuff in there.
"It's gettin' very scary
Yeah, I'm frightened out of my wits
There's police in my bedroom
Yeah, and it's giving me the shits"
Shades of Fingerprint File, the paranoid dialogue... This song looks like it's written from a rabid Bush-basher POV, the lyrics are level with the standard of political arguments today...
"You call yourself a Christian
I think that you're a hypocrite
You say you are a patriot
I think that you are a crock of shit
etc, etc"
Ha! Maybe that's it. It's a song "about" arguing politics! Nevertheless, I would have preferred a little more humour and inventivity in the lyrics, they are too life like! LOL 
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| August 13th, 2005 02:09 PM |
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| Gazza |
maybe Mick has been reading the political arguments on the boards in recent months and thought that banal rhymes were in keeping with the level of insults he's witnessed?  |
| August 13th, 2005 02:14 PM |
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| Monkey Woman |
LOL
I was just thinking the same thing... Eureka! That song i's about us! |
| August 13th, 2005 02:25 PM |
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| the good |
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Moonisup wrote:
but they had other good songs on ER, lyric wise. And what I heard from the new album, the lyrics aren't that good, almost as bad as the 4 new songs in 2002 and GITD
I always thought ER (the song itself) had emotionally powerful lyrics.
Cryin like a child... |
| August 13th, 2005 04:50 PM |
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quote:
Monkey Woman wrote:
My thoughts exactly! It's a song, so it's not the lyrics alone or the music alone, but both together, and if they flow together, if they are complimenting each other, it's a good song in my book. And from what I've heard (Amazon and Voodoo's sound clips), they flow very nicely, theres a nasty, menacing guitar sound, meshed with that sneering, twangy voice pouring abuse and taunts, like a speaker on his soapbox. It all fits.
EXACTLY- let me throw some lyrics to another song which MOST people agree is a GREAT SONG- there's not exactly a lot of lyrical brillance going on here but who among us will deny that this is a GREAT SONG???? (O.K. on this board you'll probably find some). It's obvious to me anyway you can't determine the merits of a song strictly on the basis of it's lyrical content.
drums: Charlie Watts
Bass: Bill Wyman
Acoustic guitar: Brian Jones
Electric guitar: Keith Richards
Lead vocal: Mick Jagger
Background vocals: Mick Jagger & Keith Richards
Tambourine: Jack Nitzsche
I can't get no satisfaction
Cause I tried and I tried
And I tried and I tried
I can't get no, I can't get no
When I'm driving in my car
And a man comes on the radio, he's telling me more and more
About some useless information supposed to fire my imagination
I can't get no
No, no, no
Hey, hey, hey
That's what I say
When I'm watching my TV
And a man comes on that tells me how white my shirts can be
But he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me
I can't get no satisfaction
I can't get no girl reaction...
When I'm riding around the world
And I'm doing this and I'm signing that and I'm trying to make some girl
Who tells me "Baby, better come back maybe next week 'cause you see I'm on a losing streak"
No satisfaction...
TrackTalk
It was just a riff. I didn't think... I didn't think of it as... I woke up in the middle of the night, put it down on a cassette. I thought it was great then. Went to sleep and when I woke up, it appeared to be as useful as another album track. It was the same with Mick too at the time, you know. It goes da-da, da-da-da... and the words I'd written for that riff were I can't get no satisfaction. But it could just as well have been Auntie Millie's Caught Her Left Tit in the Mangle.
- Keith Richards
It sounded like a folk song when we first started working on it and Keith didn't like it much, he didn't want it to be a single, he didn't think it would do very well... I think Keith thought it was a bit basic. I don't think he really listened to it properly. He was too close to it and just felt it was a silly kind of riff... (We wrote it in) Tampa, Florida, by a swimming pool.
- Mick Jagger, 1968
Keith wrote the lick. I think he had this lyric, I can't get no satisfaction, which, actually, is a line in a Chuck Berry song called 30 Days... I can't get no satisfaction from the judge... (T)hat was just one line, and then I wrote the rest of it. There was no melody, really.
- Mick Jagger, 1995
I remember vividly making Satisfaction. It was at RCA in Los Angeles, in the same studio where Duke Ellington recorded one of the greatest records he ever made, Ellington Uptown, with Louie Bellson on drums: that's the famous A Train track. Dave Hassinger, the engineer, used to smoke Tiparillos constantly. He seemed a lot older, like a man, while we were still boys. And LA was like Wow!.
- Charlie Watts, 2003
(T)hat riff needed to sustain itself and Gibson had just brought out these little (distortion) boxes so... But the riff was in essence not meant for the guitar. Otis Redding got it right when HE later recorded it because it's actually a horn riff. I never thought that was song was commercial anyway. Shows how wrong you can be.
- Keith Richards
Whatever it was, it was the first (fuzztone box) Gibson made. I was screaming for more distortion: This riff's really gotta hang hard and long, and we burnt the amps up and turned the shit up, and it still wasn't right. And then Ian Stewart went around the corner to Eli Wallach's Music City or something and came around with a distortion box. Try this. It was as off-hand as that. It was just from nowhere. I never got into the thing after that, either. It had a very limited use, but it was just the right time for that song.
- Keith Richards, 1992
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| August 13th, 2005 05:24 PM |
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| The_Worst |
To me, rock 'n roll isn't about incredible lyrics, it's about fun lyrics... Bob Dylan & songs like "Sympathy for the Devil" are the exception. I think "She's So Cold" is a perfect example. I LOVE that song & the lyrics couldn't get much more childlike. Another example is the "I'm like jello staring at your tits" line. I guess I'm in the minority but I actually laughed and quite enjoy that line. These songs are about sex or drinking or just having fun. They don't need sophicated lyrics.
The problem is that in "Sweet Neocon" the song is being pushed as some political statement yet the lyrics are in the mold of "She's So Cold" not "Sympathy for the Devil". As a result, talking about a serious subject like the war on terror with childish lyrics doesn't work well...
That being said, I think the point about an argument is what the song is really about. Some of the lines about "We'll do it alone" tend to suggest an argument between two people on the war on terror. This is by the way, what Mick said when he said the song came about when he had an argument with some Republican friends of his. I personally believe the anti-Iraq lyrics are Mick's opinion but the overall song seems to discuss both sides. This is much like Highwire which Keith said isn't against the Iraq war but rather describes what led up to it.
Bottom line, simplistic lyrics are good fun but they don't work when you are trying to describe a serious matter!! |
| August 13th, 2005 06:37 PM |
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| texile |
i apologise riffhard - because i agreed with your assesment......but i was just being rancorous;
all of you make excellent points......part of my big problem with latter-day, post-undercover jagger is the sophmoric lyrical crap he dishes out; he IS a great and inventive lyricist but even a genius must be inspired to create great art.........
it isn't just lyrical content that makes a song.
the good makes a point by bringing up emotional rescue:
the words couldn't be more simplistic, but jagger's delivery gives them real soul - they SOUND like they're TRUE and that's the difference.....same with she's so cold;
these songs kick ass because they seemed to come from the heart........but lately it sounds like a rhyming game like some of you sugested.
its probably jerry hall's fault - i remember reading in her - ahem..MEMOIR...that whenever mick was writing a song she would volunteer rhyming words....lol - even then i thought 'oh great!' ....maybe it became a bad, lazy habit -
his best songs have always sounded unforced and authentic -those are usually the ones with the best lyrics........
otherwise, you're going through the motions..
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| August 13th, 2005 11:56 PM |
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I got lumps in my throat
When I saw her comin down the aisle
I got the wiggles in my knees
When she looked at me and sweetly smiled
Well there she is again
Standin over by the record machine
Well she looks like a model
On the cover of a magazine
But she's too cute
To be a minute over seventeen
Meanwhile I was thinkin'
Well if she's in the mood
No need to break it
I got the chance and I oughta take it
If she can dance we can make it
C'mon queenie let's shake it
I said go, go, go, little queenie
I said go, go, go, little queenie
I said go, go, go, little queenie
Won't someone tell me
Who's the queen standin over by the record machine
Well she looks like a model
On the cover of a magazine
But she's too cute
To be a minute over seventeen
I said go, go, go, little queenie
I said go, go, go, little queenie
I said go, go, go, little queenie
Meanwhile, I was still thinkin, hmmmm,
Well if it's a slow one
We'll omit it
If it's a rocker, then we'll get it
If it's a good one, she'll admit it
C'mon queenie, let's get with it
I said go, go, go, little queenie
I said go, go, go, little queenie
I said go, go, go, little queenie
I said go, go, go, little queenie
I said go, go, go, little queenie
I said go, go, go, little queenie...
.......Recognize this?
Ok, its not a political text -
but who are makin the headlines and all the sortin?
Delicous banalities is the essence of rock ´n roll.
It´s what happen when the singer hits the Mike (!)
that counts... Or like good time is on our side posted
(with my distortions):
I'm so HAAT for her, I'm so HAAT (on fire) for her
I'm so HAAT for her and sheee's sooo coold
I'm the burning B u s h , I'm the burning fiiiire
I'm the bleeeeeding volcaaaaaano
Yes, I tried re-wiring her, I tried re-firing her
I think her engine is permanently stalled
She's so cold, she's so cold
She's so cold, cold, cold like a tombstone
She's so cooooooooold, she's so cooooooooooooooold
She's so cold, cold, cold like an ice cream cone
She's so cooooooooooooooold, she's so cooooooooooooold
When I touch her, my hand just froooooooooooooooooooooze
Yeah, I'm so hot for her, I'm so hot for her
I'm so hot for her and it grieves me so
Put your hand on the heat, put your hand on the heat
Come on, baby, let's go
She's so cooooooooooooold, she's so cooooooooooooooooooooold, cooooooooooooooooold
She's so cold but she's beautiful, though
Yeah, she's so cold
She's so coooooooooooooold, she's so cooooooooooooooold
I think she was born in an arctic zoooooooooooone
She's so coooooooooooooooold, she's so cooooooooooooold
When I touch her, my hand just frooooooooooooooooooze
She's so cold, she's so goddamn cold
She's so cold, cold, cold, she's so cold
Who would believe you were a beauty indeed?
When the days get shorter and the nights get long
Light fades and the rain comes
Nobody will know
When you're oooooooooooooooold, when you're ooooooooooooold
Nobody will knoooooooooooooooooooooooooow
That you was a beauty, a sweet, sweet beauty
A sweet, sweet beauty but stone, stone cold
You're so cooooooooold, you're so coooooooold, cold, cold
You're so cooooooooooooold, you're so coooooooooooooold
I'm so hot for you, I'm so hot for you
I'm so hot for you and you're so cold
I'm the burning bush, I'm the burning fire
I'm the bleeding volcano
Or, finally; Shine A Light:
Saw you stretched out in room ten-o-nine
With a smile on your face
And a tear right in your eye
Couldn’t see to get a line on you
My sweet honey love
Berber jew’lry jangling down the street
Make you shut your eyes at ev’ry woman that you meet
Couldn not seem to get a high on you
My sweet honey love
May the good lord shine a light on you
Make every song your favourite tune
May the good lord shine a light on you
Warm like the evening sun
Well, you’re drunk in the alley, baby
With your clothes all torn
And your late night friends
Leave you in the cold grey dawn
Just seemed too many flies on you
I just can’t brush them off
Angels beating all their wings in time
With smiles on their faces
And a gleam right in their eyes
Thought I heard one sigh for you
Come on up, come on up, now
Come on up, now
May the good lord shine a light on you
Make every song you sing your favourite tune
May the good lord shine a light on you
Warm like the evening sun
.......A decent text, but maybe no masterpiece.
When Nicky ´Opkins meets Chawlie, Jagger, Taylor and, eventually, Richards... = MAGIC!
See:
Saaaaaaaaaw you stretched out in roooooooom ten-o-nine
With a smiiiiiiiiiiiiile on your faaaace
And a tear right in your eye [tea-rea-i-ya-eaah ... ]
Couldn’t seeeeeee to get a liiiiiiiiiiiiine on you
My sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet honey luv
Berber jew’lry jangling down the street [OK, genius line!!]
Make you shut your eyes at ev’ry woman that you meet
Couldn not seeeeeem to get a hiiiiiiiiiiigh on yooo-ooo-ooo-uu
My sweet honey luv
May the good loooooooord shine a light on you
Make eeeeeeeeeeevery soooooooooong your favourite tune
May the good lord shine a light on you
Waaarm like the eeeeeeeeeevening sun
Well, you’re drunk [HUP] in the alley, baby
With your clothes all torn
And your late night friends
Leave you in the cold grey dawn
Just seemed too many fliiiiiiiiiiiiiiies on yooo-ooo-ooo-uu
I just can’t brush them off
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaangels beating all their wiiiiiiiiiings in time
With smiiiiiiiiiiiiles on their faces
And a gleam right in their eyes
Thought I heard one siiiiiiiiiiigh for yooo-ooo-ooo-uu
Come on up, come on up, now
Come on up, now
May the good loooooord shine a light on you
Make eeeeeevery song you sing your favourite tune
May the good lord shine a light on you
Waaaarm like the eeeeeevening sun
nah-nah-nah-nah....
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| August 14th, 2005 12:13 AM |
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| texile |
thank you sister - the best part of shine a light is that last...
nah, nah, nah, nah, yeaaaah.....yeah......
don't need no words - just soul. |
| August 14th, 2005 05:32 AM |
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| Monkey Woman |
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VoodooChileInWOnderl wrote:
But one thing that is certain
Like this girl in Haliburton
If you're really so astute
You should invest in ???
I'm wondering about that verse... Could the last line end with "a parachute"? Maybe a glancing reference to "golden parachutes", as well as to the real article.
Well, we should know on Sept. 6
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| August 14th, 2005 08:22 AM |
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| corgi37 |
Buddha on a stick, but i do like Sweet Neocon.
I do.
I fucking really do.
All the "Chicken-hawks" are going nuts!
I love it.
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| August 15th, 2005 08:19 AM |
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| Jair |
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Angiegirl wrote:
"Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.... Neocon!"
Mick is a true poet.
"Gone & Pentagon" is also very brilliant
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| August 15th, 2005 08:30 AM |
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| exile |
I dont let the politics of a song bother me if I like a song.
How often do we sing along with songs having no idea what the song is about until we stop and think about it afterwards.
I liked the sample of Sweet NeoCon.......a lot
very catchy and i had the chorus in my head the rest of the day.
HOW COME YOUR SO WRONG!.........
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| August 15th, 2005 10:24 AM |
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| Jair |
I don't care about the politics either, I care about the Mick's lost ridiculous sense... |
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