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August 11th, 2005 05:27 PM
Mathijs >Let us know what great socialist societys you are promoting in your spare time

Last time it was Cuba and what a well run country it is
>

Are you guys really stupid, or are you just pretending you are? First I was accused of having a burning US flag on my website, now I am accused of defending Cuba....I have been in Cuba for three weeks on a vacation trip, and I was shocked of the repression I saw. I was me (yes, satan Mathijs!) who said that the US was not to blame for that, as the ban of the US on trading with Cuba did not effect Cuba in any way, as many other countries are very willing to fill the void left by the US. If you can't buy an American car, buy a German one. The sole reason for the state Cuba is in, is Fidel Castro. He ruined the country and holds the people hostage. This is what I have said some years ago, and this is what I say now.

By the way, in my own country I am known as very liberal and right-wing. I believe in a totally free market and its economic rules, and I belive in the absolute freedom of any individual. This is totally different to the US' right-wing form of freedom, where you're only free if you're a white christian heterosexual male with a big concealed gun and a US flag on your car. If your any different: to hell with you. I am in no way a socialist. 70 years of socialism has proven it doesn't work.

Mathijs
ps I was gone for a good year on this board, but I am enjoying myself real good!

ps 2 I think half the new album are throw-aways, but some are good. Laugh I Nearly Died sure is the gem of the album!
August 11th, 2005 05:28 PM
ListenToTheLion
quote:
telecaster wrote:


Wow...those one line responses in response to other people are brilliant!!

Do have any ideas, thoughts, facts, positions or just one line responses to everyone else? LOL!!


TELE!



I am not a fan of lefties but my dislike of right wings dumb-bells like you is even greater! If you scroll upwards you will find out your post is completely irrelevant and proves my point: besides the fact you are not very smart you can't even read either. In addition you have no sense of humour.
August 11th, 2005 05:44 PM
Moonisup despite the fact I totally disagree with telecaster
I'd drink a beer with him if I'd met him. I hope, altough our views are different, we don't hate eachother
August 11th, 2005 06:25 PM
telecaster
quote:
Moonisup wrote:
despite the fact I totally disagree with telecaster
I'd drink a beer with him if I'd met him. I hope, altough our views are different, we don't hate eachother




Amstel?

I will buy
August 11th, 2005 06:35 PM
chris girard If anyone ever really listened to Satisfaction, its about Mick's distaste for American culture, which is Ok with me, I'm American and I find a lot of things about this culture distasteful. I suspect that Sweet neo-Con is probably in the same vein (no pun intended) as Satisfaction. He's commenting on how fucked up our culture is in this country. He's right things are fucked up here, always have been and probably always will be. We are consumers and care little about the rest of the world..

Chris Girard
August 11th, 2005 09:07 PM
glencar
quote:
Mathijs wrote:

By the way, in my own country I am known as very liberal and right-wing. I believe in a totally free market and its economic rules, and I belive in the absolute freedom of any individual. This is totally different to the US' right-wing form of freedom, where you're only free if you're a white christian heterosexual male with a big concealed gun and a US flag on your car. If your any different: to hell with you. I am in no way a socialist. 70 years of socialism has proven it doesn't work.

Mathijs
ps I was gone for a good year on this board, but I am enjoying myself real good!

ps 2 I think half the new album are throw-aways, but some are good. Laugh I Nearly Died sure is the gem of the album!




This is why we think you're so goddam stupid. I'm a white hetero Christian male & I carry neither a gun nor a flag decal. I don't always feel free to do whatever I please & if you had any sense of my country, you'd realize how wrong you are. Women & blacks are running this place these days!

I went to Holland once & found it to be a very pleasant country. As soon as I got to Belgium, my Belgian guide remarked about how people would think I was cheap because my rental car had Dutch plates. I thought it was funny but I've never considered it to be true. I really hope I never meet you as I'd rather not get sick to my stomach.
August 11th, 2005 10:28 PM
lotsajizz
quote:
telecaster wrote:


The world has turned against socialism

Mathijs promotes it and lives by it

Nuff said



Tele--your own GOP embraced it a looonng time ago--wake up dude, 1914 is over and we've had Federal Income Tax and the Sherman Act for some time...we know your pine for plutocracy again...but it's not going to be earned, it's going to be handed out
August 11th, 2005 10:31 PM
Poplar
kinda true there, jizz. the republicans hardly even represent my fiscal beliefs any more - which is why i vote republican in the first place (no, not war or abortion).

Libertarian, baby. hell, i'd run as a candidate on their ticket.

August 11th, 2005 10:47 PM
lotsajizz libertarianism is for me as well...I lean towards the Democrats because I remember full well which party is was up here that denied and dscriminated and was racist towards my ancestors....but the point remains, they are ALL socialist now---the GOP is just Baptist driven socialism in its leadership outlook
August 11th, 2005 11:40 PM
Zulu Fun Mix The comments of Bloozehound, Telecaster, etc., are monuments to the brilliance of the American educational system.
August 12th, 2005 07:20 AM
Mathijs > I really hope I never meet you as I'd rather not get sick >to my stomach.

Your ignorance just shines trough. I was raised with the idea that people differ in opinions and believes, and the only way to come closer to each other is to talk about it and try to understand each other. Your reaction is just so typical. You come through in your posts as if you're afraid of me because I think differently. It seems like you're afraid of me because you can't fathom me. I am a white, well educated middle class heterosexual man, and I strongly oppose to your believes. You seem to be unable to understand it. If I would have prayed to Allah it would have been simple for you, but now you're attacked by a person you feel is one of your own. I bet deep down you wished I never existed. Deep down, you wouldn't mind somebody stopping me from existing. "If you're not with us, you're against us" means a whole lot to you probably. You come through in your posts as somebody who clinges to values you know are rediculous and you can't hold, and you just can't handle it if somebody pionts it out to you. All the moral values you believe in have not given you the Land of Freedom, but a land in war with the rest of the world.

Mathijs


[Edited by Mathijs]
August 12th, 2005 07:51 AM
lotsajizz please don't judge all Americans by the likes of Tele and his ilk...they worship at he altar of Xenophobia
August 12th, 2005 08:37 AM
Jair
quote:
lotsajizz wrote:
please don't judge all Americans by the likes of Tele and his ilk...



THAT is very fair.
August 12th, 2005 08:52 AM
Zulu Fun Mix Lotsajizz is right, Mathijs. Not all Americans think like these morons. But there has always been, in the US--going back to the 19th century--a cultural tendency in certain circles to combine suspicion of foreigners with an arrogant assertion of moral superiority.

And now there's another aspect to it. The US is a highly competitive society in which, after contests, "the winner takes all." This is of course very different from other societies--like, say, Japan--where things aren't so zero/sum.

So since World War II, and especially since the collapse of the Soviet Union, certain circles of Americans think "we won, so now we're entitled to world-wide deference." It drives these Americans crazy when they try to comprehend the fact the world isn't that simple and others don't have any desire or reason to follow American "leadership," rooted as it so often is in ignorance. But these arrogant Americans will insist Europeans and everyone else obey, because "we won." The Iraq debacle is precisely the kind of "rough justice" that results from the assertion of such idiotic hubris. A majority of Americans now understand this fact.
August 12th, 2005 09:01 AM
Maxlugar [quote]Zulu Fun Mix wrote:
But these arrogant Americans will insist Europeans and everyone else obey, because "we won." The Iraq debacle is precisely the kind of "rough justice" that results from the assertion of such idiotic hubris. A majority of Americans now understand this fact.


Yeah, the fact that UN was dealing oil to line their pockets and France, Germany and Russia all were against the war for their own selfish reasons doesn't matter.

Das funny!
August 12th, 2005 09:06 AM
Jumacfly
quote:
Maxlugar wrote:

Yeah, the fact that UN was dealing oil to line their pockets and France, Germany and Russia all were against the war for their own selfish reasons doesn't matter.

Das funny!



Hurray!! 250 posts in this thread and nothing agaisnt France, thank you Max!
August 12th, 2005 09:08 AM
Maxlugar [quote]Jumacfly wrote:


Hurray!! 250 posts in this thread and nothing agaisnt France, thank you Max!


It had to happen sooner or later.
August 12th, 2005 09:18 AM
Mathijs My post was directed towards right-winged Americans like Glencar and Telecaster, not all Americans. I work for an American company, and many of my colleagues are great people.

>Yeah, the fact that UN was dealing oil to line their >pockets and France, Germany and Russia all were against >the war for their own selfish reasons doesn't matter.

Of course, as in every organisation people take advantage of a situation. If 10.000 people are involved with money and oil, you can bet your ass that at least 25 of them only deal for their own benefit, stealing money wherever they can. Just as with any government or organisation, the UN has its scandals, mistakes, faults and what more. I am not a preacher for the UN, but I do agree with their opinion that taking out a minor, local problem (Saddam) in an Arab country where dozens of different religions are fighting to gain power, will only lead to global problems no one can solve anymore. And guess what: even the US acknowledges this, and wants the troops out of Iraq as fast as possible. And what do we have know? A burning ruine of religious groups fighting eachother, and Al-Qaida stronger than ever planting bombs wherever they can.

America invaded Iraq for oil, we all know that by now. I think it is quite weak to defend this by accusing the UN of not wanting to invade due to "selfish reasons". Your historical senses are failing then.

Mathijs
August 12th, 2005 09:19 AM
Jumacfly
quote:
Maxlugar wrote:
[quote]Jumacfly wrote:


Hurray!! 250 posts in this thread and nothing agaisnt France, thank you Max!


It had to happen sooner or later.



LOL hopefully you re here
have a nice week end!!
Ju
August 12th, 2005 09:43 AM
Maxlugar [quote]Mathijs wrote:

America invaded Iraq for oil, we all know that by now.



Sorry but nope. The US hasn't taken a drop of oil after two years being there. The war in Iraq is part of the second phase to keep us safer. The long range phase, which is to transform the corrupt, murderous regimes in the middle east into representitive democracies. For too long, during the cold war, we nuzzled up to these guys in order to check the soviets. Now some of that has come back to bite us. But hey, we had bigger fish to fry then. After two years, Bush has made incredible progress toward this goal. 25 million people voted in Iraq. Lebanon breaks free of Syria. Afghanistan holds elections. Egypt and Saudi Arabia announcing reforms. Libya making nice nice. Tons of work still yet to be done but that's pretty darn good for two years. In 20 years it is possible the people of these countries will be a lot happier than they are now. And happy people don't want to fly planes into tall buildings.

As far as oil goes; the UN, France, Germany and Russia were against the war because of their lust for Iraqi oil and the status quo. Strange how the truth mirror's what you think is reality.




August 12th, 2005 09:46 AM
Monkey Woman The most amazing thing, to me, is that there is 200+ posts in this thread... And other thread on the same subject or related. You can't buy that kind of publicity... But a little political controversy goes a long way, in age of the information superhighways!

Another funny thing: the fact that to some people, like Fox News ranters or a few posters here, Jagger shouldn't comment on American policies because he's English. It seems here that a part of the American public is forgetting about the British involvement in American policies... Even if they disregard the fact that we are speaking about the USA's foreing policy, not an strictly domestic issue, any Englishman (including Jagger) is well entitled IMO to comment about the whole Bush/Blair management of world affairs.

Well, of course that's only one person's opinion. And if it comes to the point where we disregard opinions because of the nationality/race/religion/political colour of the person who utter them, that's a whole other problem...
August 12th, 2005 10:07 AM
Maxlugar [quote]Monkey Woman wrote:
Another funny thing: the fact that to some people, like Fox News ranters or a few posters here, Jagger shouldn't comment on American policies because he's English.


I'm just saying some people are not going to want to hear it from him. Maybe there is a line in there about Blair too, I don't know.

Most of my argument has been from a business stand point. I really wish he hand't done it. I not talking about whether I agree with him or not. Take the Contract they just signed with the NFL. NFL fans have a potential to get all caught up in the patriotic moment of things. The climate in this country since 9/11 is not conducive to this sort of thing while the boys are still fighting. The friggin' Oakridge Boys(!) were on Fox this morning calling the Stones out. Good Lord!

I hope I'm wrong. I really really do. It's just that I can see how this thing can get away from them and snowball into a mess. All over a stupid song that is buried on what sounds like a great album.

This will not help sales at Duke! That's for sure.
August 12th, 2005 10:14 AM
The_Worst
quote:
Maxlugar wrote:
[quote]Mathijs wrote:

America invaded Iraq for oil, we all know that by now.



Sorry but nope. The US hasn't taken a drop of oil after two years being there. The war in Iraq is part of the second phase to keep us safer. The long range phase, which is to transform the corrupt, murderous regimes in the middle east into representitive democracies. For too long, during the cold war, we nuzzled up to these guys in order to check the soviets. Now some of that has come back to bite us. But hey, we had bigger fish to fry then. After two years, Bush has made incredible progress toward this goal. 25 million people voted in Iraq. Lebanon breaks free of Syria. Afghanistan holds elections. Egypt and Saudi Arabia announcing reforms. Libya making nice nice. Tons of work still yet to be done but that's pretty darn good for two years. In 20 years it is possible the people of these countries will be a lot happier than they are now. And happy people don't want to fly planes into tall buildings.

As far as oil goes; the UN, France, Germany and Russia were against the war because of their lust for Iraqi oil and the status quo. Strange how the truth mirror's what you think is reality.








Maxlugar,

Well said. The whole "We now know America invaded Iraq for oil" is the biggest bunch of shit out there...We haven't pumped one drop of oil from the ground for our own personal use & oil prices are skyrocketing here in America...Yeah, everyone in America is just overjoyed because we have so much oil we don't know what to do with it...yeah right!!!
August 12th, 2005 10:17 AM
The_Worst
quote:
Maxlugar wrote:
This will not help sales at Duke! That's for sure.



Very true! However, I think it's safe to say that Detroit will almost certainly be a sellout now!


"Sweet Neocon is a bust Ronnie!!!"
August 12th, 2005 10:20 AM
Maxlugar [quote]The_Worst wrote:


Very true! However, I think it's safe to say that Detroit will almost certainly be a sellout now!




All seats facing Mecca will be filled for sure.

Instead of the usual cheering after each song, you'll hear "Waaa-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la!" as the shrouded women hand out candies to the children.

Sickening.
August 12th, 2005 10:27 AM
Zulu Fun Mix Maxlugar:

You're not SERIOUS about that long-term "plan," are you? Tell me you're joking! Because it's precisely the sort of misguided missionary zeal destined to doom us all. You will NEVER remake the Middle East into another America. Why wasn't such classically naive, myopic, and self-regarding American nationalism discredited permanently by the failure of Vietnam?

If you try to remake the world in America's image, the cost will be catastrophically high for the whole world. I'd much rather Rumsfeld or some such evil muthafucka just admit that "yes, Iraq is about long-term energy security since we have this looming contest with China and petroleum will run out within 50 years." A war for that reason, though cynical, at least isn't insanely ideological like the war you're talking about.
August 12th, 2005 10:38 AM
Maxlugar [quote]Zulu Fun Mix wrote:
Maxlugar:

You're not SERIOUS about that long-term "plan," are you? Tell me you're joking! Because it's precisely the sort of misguided missionary zeal destined to doom us all. You will NEVER remake the Middle East into another America. Why wasn't such classically naive, myopic, and self-regarding American nationalism discredited permanently by the failure of Vietnam?


Oh yeah, I am.

The plan isn't to make them another American but much closer. It worked in Germany and Japan my friend. You remember Japan? The country that was crazy with zeal? They used to fly their planes right into our ships. They used to behead our prisoners!

Now they are a happy bunch making that glorious Playstation! And darn successful! Every house FULL of their products!

See it works! People love democracy!

YAY!
August 12th, 2005 10:43 AM
Mel Belli
quote:
Zulu Fun Mix wrote:
Maxlugar:

You're not SERIOUS about that long-term "plan," are you? Tell me you're joking! Because it's precisely the sort of misguided missionary zeal destined to doom us all. You will NEVER remake the Middle East into another America. Why wasn't such classically naive, myopic, and self-regarding American nationalism discredited permanently by the failure of Vietnam?

If you try to remake the world in America's image, the cost will be catastrophically high for the whole world. I'd much rather Rumsfeld or some such evil muthafucka just admit that "yes, Iraq is about long-term energy security since we have this looming contest with China and petroleum will run out within 50 years." A war for that reason, though cynical, at least isn't insanely ideological like the war you're talking about.



I don't think anyone has expectations that Iraq will become "like America," whatever that means.

If it becomes analogous to Egypt in the near future, we should break out the party hats. Iraq was a classical failed state. Imagine it in the hands of Saddam's sons. Christ.
August 12th, 2005 10:43 AM
Joey
quote:
Zulu Fun Mix wrote:

If you try to remake the world in America's image, the cost will be catastrophically high for the whole world. I'd much rather Rumsfeld or some such evil ........


W- W- W- W- What ?!?!?!



Developing ..................................


Shiver .......................................


" Everything old is new again Ronnie ! "


LBJOEY !


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[ Edited by Forrestal ]
[Edited by Joey]
August 12th, 2005 10:48 AM
Jumacfly Macky!
have you delete your gentle post about...me??
i m sad cuz I wanted to answer!!!
please post it again and let's drink to us!!
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