| August 9th, 2005 07:10 PM |
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monkey_man wrote:
This alblum will probably sell more than any of their recent albums [...]
Yes, seeing as there were no real recent albums.
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| August 9th, 2005 07:21 PM |
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Settle down, Beavis. I know this day has been hard on you guys. You could deny that the Stones are calling you an ass when it was just me talking about it, but man, when Sean Hannity gets in the game, that's serious.
So, if they play "Sweet NeoCon" at the opener, will you boo? Or run to the bathroom so you can pretend you didn't hear it? Or what?
I just gots to know! How you gonna manage this? Hell, this "issue" has you guys so mixed up that Maxy is agreeing with JB!!! The tour is a bust!
The FUNNIEST thing about all of this is that you guys are taking the stance that the Stones SHOULD be worrying about how much money they'll make, and NOT the music. Isn't that actually backwards from what everyone here (except of course JB) usually thinks?
And all of you are 100% agreed that Mick doesn't REALLY mean it. It's just a marketing ploy!! So - he shouldn't have done it because it's bad business - but he wrote it simply because the market will eat it up...wha???
As far as getting one right, THIS is one I've had right from the start. Rightwing Stones fans make NO sense! Before you trot out your cliched retorts, I didn't say you weren't allowed to like them - just that it makes no sense. Here's one Mick agrees with me on.
Yet SOMEHOW, I'm betting that, in your troubled mind, YOU'RE still right!
Heeeheeeheee!!! This is TOO rich!!!!
Wow dude. You take this stuff way too seriously!
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| August 9th, 2005 07:25 PM |
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| CHIEFMOON |
51%?
At best a mere 13% of the US population are dumbassed *-backers
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telecaster wrote:
Maxy is right
Insulting 51% of your audience in the US is not smart
Dumb. Really dumb
Moonie would call it retarded
The Stones will care very soon
Those $450 tickets aren't bought by the granola eating Birkenstock wearing types
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| August 9th, 2005 07:26 PM |
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FPM C10 wrote:
Settle down, Beavis. I know this day has been hard on you guys. You could deny that the Stones are calling you an ass when it was just me talking about it, but man, when Sean Hannity gets in the game, that's serious.
So, if they play "Sweet NeoCon" at the opener, will you boo? Or run to the bathroom so you can pretend you didn't hear it? Or what?
I just gots to know! How you gonna manage this? Hell, this "issue" has you guys so mixed up that Maxy is agreeing with JB!!! The tour is a bust!
The FUNNIEST thing about all of this is that you guys are taking the stance that the Stones SHOULD be worrying about how much money they'll make, and NOT the music. Isn't that actually backwards from what everyone here (except of course JB) usually thinks?
And all of you are 100% agreed that Mick doesn't REALLY mean it. It's just a marketing ploy!! So - he shouldn't have done it because it's bad business - but he wrote it simply because the market will eat it up...wha???
As far as getting one right, THIS is one I've had right from the start. Rightwing Stones fans make NO sense! Before you trot out your cliched retorts, I didn't say you weren't allowed to like them - just that it makes no sense. Here's one Mick agrees with me on.
Yet SOMEHOW, I'm betting that, in your troubled mind, YOU'RE still right!
Heeeheeeheee!!! This is TOO rich!!!!
Relax Butthead. As usual you are batting 100% as far as missing the point
They could call the song "John Kerry is a spinless lying weasel" and I would feel the same way
As I stated in my post which you ignored-the half ass way the tickets were sold, album not out before the tour starts, weak lead song in SOL, confusion on what is actually released so far
And now Mick wants to make some political statement on top of all the mishaps and confusion
I want the tour to start with good album and good promotion - not mass confusion.
But if you feel this song will put you libs back in power have at it and sing along
Terrible marketing
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| August 9th, 2005 07:49 PM |
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| Angiegirl |
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I want the tour to start with good album and good promotion - not mass confusion.
There won't be mass confusion. It's not important enough. Certainly not in the rest of the world outside the US  . |
| August 9th, 2005 08:09 PM |
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jb wrote:
What about True Religion jeans?
Those jeans are very cool. I am always impressed with your fashion knowledge, jb. |
| August 9th, 2005 08:12 PM |
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telecaster wrote:
Terrible marketing
it is not marketing
it is Mick's opinion
and that's what you can't stand and won't admit
your politics are everything they fought against and still do
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| August 9th, 2005 08:14 PM |
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This alblum will probably sell more than any of their recent albums
More than the 7 million of 40 Licks?
It will be a smash hit with only 5 million worldwide. |
| August 9th, 2005 09:13 PM |
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I'm a conservative,and a Stones' fan! You gotta problem with that?! Well then fuck right off. I could give two shits about Jagger's politics,or anyone else's on this goddamnmed board's either. I am a firm believer that Islamic radical fucks want the 8th century law of shariah practiced worldwide. I am a firm believer that whaibisim (sp?) as spelled out by radical fucks like UBL,and his ilk would have everyone on this board dead. Liberal,conservative,democrat,republican,tory,etc. it matters not to them. They want YOU dead! They want your kids dead! That's not some radical rightwing hyperbole jack! That's a fact! Go to any of the Islammic websites and read it yourselves. I did. I say fuck em!
Shit,in the UK the oh so polically correct mindset allowed these radical fucks get away with preaching their brand of hate. Now fast forward to 7/11 and 7/21,and Blair is finally cracking down on these butchers. Good for him.
Hey Riffy,but,but,but Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11/01 in the USA. Yeah,whatever. Bullshit. We know damned good and well that Saddam's goverment met with al qaeda at least three times in the Suddan. Abu Abbas made Baghdad his residence for over five years prior to the war. He was put up in luxury by Saddam himself. That's a fact. But,hey just for the sake of argument let's say that Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11. Big fucking deal! They sure as fuck had something to do with the first attack on the WTC. This is one of the main reasons that Clinton drew up the "Iraqi Liberation Act" of 1998. You remember that one don't you libs? That's when Clinton stated that the USA should,and would depose of Saddam. Funny the entire fucking left agreed when Clinton said it,but,putting politics above everything(as they always do) when Bush actully has the balls to carry it out these fucking lying libs seem to forget all about it!
Germany had nothing to do with Pearl Harbour either fellas!
I'm glad that that murdering psycopath has been deposed,and I'm glad that not one major attack has been perpetrated on US soil since 9/11. By the way,under Clinton the US,and our intersts over seas were hit on an average three times a year during his eight years of frat parties in the White House.
Geesh,I'm so glad that Europe had the backbone to take the moral high road with regards to the Iraq War. Oopps! I guess that whole little Oil for Food Scandal kinda proved where the loyalties realy were. Moral highground? ROTFLMAO!!! Bush knows that these fucks are murderers and he could care less if the loony left types hate him for it. I feel exactly the same fucking way!
ACLU sues NY City because of random bag checks,and threaten to sue for profiling. Whose fucking side is the ACLU on anyway?! So we can't profile,AND we can't carry out radom checks?! WTF! The ACLU will sue the US for the rights of terrorists though! This is why I hate the liberal mindset. It is brain dead.
Ain't politics fun on a Rolling Stones message board?! Pretty stupid place to bring this shit up,huh?
I think so to! So why not go to www.opinionatedjerks.com and discuss it there.
Rant on libs. You seem to be very good at it. I must admit that I'm getting better at it myself though. LOL!
On with the show! Fuck political talk on RO.
Riffhard
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| August 9th, 2005 09:21 PM |
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| Soldatti |
Amen Riffhard! |
| August 9th, 2005 09:28 PM |
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| lotsajizz |
your 'fuck political talk' advice there Riffy would have some credibility were it not preceeded by a thousand word political essay
the right never practices what it preaches |
| August 9th, 2005 09:40 PM |
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lotsajizz wrote:
your 'fuck political talk' advice there Riffy would have some credibility were it not preceeded by a thousand word political essay
the right never practices what it preaches
Quite obviously the POINT of my rant went right over your head jizzy. Did my post change your mind about Bush? Ofcourse not! Nor will any of your Bush bashing posts change my mind. That's my point. I ranted about something that I firmly believe,but this is not the forum for it. It goes to show just how stupid it is to bring something so divisive as poltics up on a Rolling Stones message board. Take a look at the Tell Me board. Look at the Gasx3 board. Every time politics is brought up the shit hits the fan,and people get down right nasty about it. I dare say that as Stones' fans we'd all most likely get along with each other. Throw politics into the mix,and all bets are off. So why do it?
That's why I posted the link to a political board. My rant,that I believe in with every fiber of my being,is misplaced on a Stones message board. So are all the Bush sucks rants.
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| August 9th, 2005 09:51 PM |
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BILSON SLAMS BUSH
THE OC star RACHEL BILSON has slammed US President GEORGE W BUSH's Iraq policy and urges voters to turn against the Republicans in the next election.
The Democrat actress, 23, is disgusted Bush won the 2004 election and even resorted to using her celebrity status to try to dissuade voters from supporting his pro-war administration.
She says, "I am very against the Republican state of mind that our country is in. I've always voted, but I've become more passionate about politics the more I've learned about it.
"I got involved at the last election because of what was going on in Iraq. I also thought if I could make any difference with the small amount of celebrity I have, then it was important to do that.
"We all know how it turned out, but I tried. At least I didn't just sit there and do nothing."
9/8/2005 21:23
contactmusic.com
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| August 9th, 2005 09:53 PM |
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The post below was posted this afternoon and was promptly ignored by everyone. I'm posting it again here because it echoes what you just got through saying. My guess is that it will continue to be ignored
I've got some half cocked opinions of my own when it comes to world affairs. I've even posted them on this site before. If you want, I could dig through the archives and paste them here on this thread. Since nobody's interested, I won't bother. Which is the point. Nobody really cares about the political points of view expressed on this board. I've never known anyone's opinion, point of view, or mind to change because of arguments expressed in threads like these. In fact, if I dig through the archives, I'm sure I'll find the same people expressing the same arguments with almost identically worded postings in bygone threads that nobody remembers or cares about anymore. If someone is pro Bush, my guess is they're going to remain pro Bush. If someone is anti Bush, yeah they're going to remain anti Bush.
The only thing I care about, IS THE MUSIC. IS THE NEW ALBUM ANY GOOD??? If neo-con rocks and is a good song, then I'm for it. If it sucks then I'm against it. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC BABY. As far as I'm concerned, Jagger can say what he wants.
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| August 9th, 2005 10:02 PM |
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Ten Thousand Motels wrote:
BILSON SLAMS BUSH
THE OC star RACHEL BILSON has slammed US President GEORGE W BUSH's Iraq policy and urges voters to turn against the Republicans in the next election.
The Democrat actress, 23, is disgusted Bush won the 2004 election and even resorted to using her celebrity status to try to dissuade voters from supporting his pro-war administration.
She says, "I am very against the Republican state of mind that our country is in. I've always voted, but I've become more passionate about politics the more I've learned about it.
"I got involved at the last election because of what was going on in Iraq. I also thought if I could make any difference with the small amount of celebrity I have, then it was important to do that.
"We all know how it turned out, but I tried. At least I didn't just sit there and do nothing."
9/8/2005 21:23
contactmusic.com
Umm dude, I probably agree with your politics but WTF does some post about some 23 yr old actress's political leaning's have to do with with anything?? Post facts. . .let people make their own mind's up. No one cares what a cast member from the OC is going to do. |
| August 9th, 2005 10:13 PM |
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time is on my side wrote:
The post below was posted this afternoon and was promptly ignored by everyone. I'm posting it again here because it echoes what you just got through saying. My guess is that it will continue to be ignored
I've got some half cocked opinions of my own when it comes to world affairs. I've even posted them on this site before. If you want, I could dig through the archives and paste them here on this thread. Since nobody's interested, I won't bother. Which is the point. Nobody really cares about the political points of view expressed on this board. I've never known anyone's opinion, point of view, or mind to change because of arguments expressed in threads like these. In fact, if I dig through the archives, I'm sure I'll find the same people expressing the same arguments with almost identically worded postings in bygone threads that nobody remembers or cares about anymore. If someone is pro Bush, my guess is they're going to remain pro Bush. If someone is anti Bush, yeah they're going to remain anti Bush.
The only thing I care about, IS THE MUSIC. IS THE NEW ALBUM ANY GOOD??? If neo-con rocks and is a good song, then I'm for it. If it sucks then I'm against it. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC BABY. As far as I'm concerned, Jagger can say what he wants.
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Ding,ding,ding! There it is ladies and gents! The sole voice of reason in a meaningless thread! Yes TIOMS you are right,and I'm glad to see that I echoed your very thoughtful post. Nobody on a Stones' message board is ever gonna change my mind,and likewise,I'm never gonna change theirs.
Cheers!
Riffhard |
| August 9th, 2005 10:19 PM |
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Riffhard wrote:
Nobody on a Stones' message board is ever gonna change my mind,and likewise,I'm never gonna change theirs.
What!!!??? Rachel Bilson can't change you mind?  |
| August 9th, 2005 10:50 PM |
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Angiegirl wrote:
But this topic will make a nice change from debating whether Pitt slept with Jolie before his divorce from Aniston.
Whoa--you think this point is debatable?? I think 51% of Americans already know the answer here.
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Nasty Habits wrote:
I mean, what is going to happen? Right wing fans booing Neocon and throwing beer bottles? Bigger Bang Burnings in front of Duke? Wal Mart the NPR supporters refuse to carry a the album? George Bush saying "Good Americans don't see the Stones?" I really don't see the consequences. Relax.
The Dixie Chicks are remembered because the war is still going on. Anyone remember that Springsteen ticked off all the policemen with his song about Dialo (41 Shots or something like that)? Aside from a few policement who didn't applaud when that song was played--according to press reports--what consequence did it have?
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Nasty Habits wrote:
Surely you're not one of those "size matters", JB type people?
You think it's the motion?
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time is on my side wrote:
The problem with that argument is that most of the tickets have already been sold. At this point, it doesn't make that much difference anymore except in a few soft markets. SEE LIST BELOW
I smell a ticket bonfire . . . (sorry Nasty)
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sirmoonie wrote:
Just look at these threads - maybe 2 or 3 people, out of the dozens that stop by every day, appeared to feel insulted by the existence of this Rollin Stones song entitled Sweet Neo Con. And they were all gay and/or retarded.
I had no idea the entire membership of the log cabin republicans had infiltrated this site--all 3 of them?
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Ten Thousand Motels wrote:
What!!!??? Rachel Bilson can't change you mind?
Perhaps the post was included to suggest she had as much balls as Jagger.
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| August 9th, 2005 11:03 PM |
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I don't care if Mick is shoving mars bars up Faithfull's ass (maybe he did or maybe...) or writing a song called Sweet Neocon, the publicity and controversy is entertaining. I do find misplaced logic in some of the posts I see insinuating that Bush's military action against Iraq is a new idea. There were multiple military operations in Southwest Asia carried out or started in the Clinton Administration: Southern Watch, Northern Watch, Provide Comfort, Provide Comfort II, Maritime Intercept operations, Desert Falcon, Iris Gold, Desert Spring, Intrinsic Action, Vigilent Sentinel, Vigilant Warrior, Desert Focus, Silent Assurance, Phoenix Scorpion I, Phoenix Scorpion II, Phoenix Scorpion III, Phoenix Scorpion IV, Shining Presence, Desert Fox, Desert Viper, Desert Thunder, Desert Strike, Cruise Missle Strikes 13 Jan 93, Cruise Missle Strikes 26 Jun 93, plus many others. Of course those had nothing to do with oil? Oh right, only if you were involved with the UN, European Allied partners of Iraq, or just simply had an appointment with Sadaam to receive vouchers. Then it had everything to do with oil. The Clinton Administration also initiated the military operations Provide Promise, Determined Guard, Decisive Enhancement, Sharp Guard, Maritime Guard, Maritime Monitor, Sky Monitor, Deliberate Forge, Decisive Guard, Decisive Endeavor, Deny Flight, Able Sentry, Nomad Endeavor, Nomad Vigil, Quick Lift, Deliberate Force, Joint Forge, Joint Guard, Joint Endeavor, Determined Effort, Determined Falcon, Eagle Eye, Determined Force, and Allied Force, among others in the former Yugoslavia and Kosovo (in addition to bombing some questionable African tragets). Bush took it even further and like him or not he's going to be slammed by some. Possibly even by people I call friends. But conservative or liberal or republican or democrat or socialist...none of it changes my appreciation of the Stones. I look at it like this...I loved Dylan's song Hurricane. But I also have come to believe Rueben Carter committed that murder...but it doesn't affect my appreciation for the song. I think most people become tied to a song for the emotional associations of the song. I still like Hurricane because it reminds me of grade school and hockey practice and driving in the car with my dad and...well just the 70s. I hope to appreciate Neocon for the memories it may provide in the future about this board, the Bigger Bang album, and these times when everyone was so wraped in political associations to the point of dismissing opinions because of associations. Let's rock.
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| August 9th, 2005 11:05 PM |
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I have no problem with "Bushies" being Stones fans, it's the Macca fans who I have a problem with. |
| August 9th, 2005 11:12 PM |
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The Stones hit the stage at the Phoenix in 24 hours. Maybe Sweet NeoCon will be played.
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| August 10th, 2005 12:28 AM |
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Wait a minute ... this OC girl has me all out of sorts.
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| August 10th, 2005 01:44 AM |
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What a remarkable process! This thread started with an apparent conservative fretting that the controversy around "Sweet Neo-Con" would hurt album and ticket sales. The usual crowd of reactionaries piles on. The assumption that these right-wing attacks will hurt the Stones is soundly refuted. Then the reactionaries complain about a political discussion which they started. Astonishing!
There were far too many fallacious arguments made to address them all, but one stands out. Maxlugar asserted that the Stones risked alienating "51% of their fan base" by speaking truth to neo-con power. The fallacy of this claim should be apparent. Maxy assumes that Stones fans are evenly distributed across the political spectrum. This is almost certainly false. Clearly, most conservative evangelicals are not Stones fans. The Stones have always represented a radical anti-Establishment, anti-authoritarian stance. A handful of reactionaries may be able to ignore this fact, but most of us whose weltanschauung was formed before the Reagan dark ages understand what the Stones are really all about.
The problem with these discussions, of course, is the so-called "false consensus phenomenon." This refers to the fact that less intelligent people tend not to recognize their lack of intelligence, instead assuming that they are "just as smart" as their intellectual superiors (hence, false consensus). This appears to be the only plausible explanation for the brainless attacks on Fleabit Peanut Monkey C10, who is clearly head and shoulders above his detractors in the brainpower department. |
| August 10th, 2005 02:01 AM |
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Brainbell Jangler wrote:
This appears to be the only plausible explanation for the brainless attacks on Fleabit Peanut Monkey C10, who is clearly head and shoulders above his detractors in the brainpower department.
THAT COULD BE THE FUNNIEST POST I HAVE EVER READ ON A MESSAGE BOARD!!! THANKS FOR THE LAUGH!!! |
| August 10th, 2005 02:03 AM |
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quote:
Riffhard wrote:
I'm a conservative,and a Stones' fan! You gotta problem with that?! Well then fuck right off. I could give two shits about Jagger's politics,or anyone else's on this goddamnmed board's either. I am a firm believer that Islamic radical fucks want the 8th century law of shariah practiced worldwide. I am a firm believer that whaibisim (sp?) as spelled out by radical fucks like UBL,and his ilk would have everyone on this board dead. Liberal,conservative,democrat,republican,tory,etc. it matters not to them. They want YOU dead! They want your kids dead! That's not some radical rightwing hyperbole jack! That's a fact! Go to any of the Islammic websites and read it yourselves. I did. I say fuck em!
Shit,in the UK the oh so polically correct mindset allowed these radical fucks get away with preaching their brand of hate. Now fast forward to 7/11 and 7/21,and Blair is finally cracking down on these butchers. Good for him.
Hey Riffy,but,but,but Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11/01 in the USA. Yeah,whatever. Bullshit. We know damned good and well that Saddam's goverment met with al qaeda at least three times in the Suddan. Abu Abbas made Baghdad his residence for over five years prior to the war. He was put up in luxury by Saddam himself. That's a fact. But,hey just for the sake of argument let's say that Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11. Big fucking deal! They sure as fuck had something to do with the first attack on the WTC. This is one of the main reasons that Clinton drew up the "Iraqi Liberation Act" of 1998. You remember that one don't you libs? That's when Clinton stated that the USA should,and would depose of Saddam. Funny the entire fucking left agreed when Clinton said it,but,putting politics above everything(as they always do) when Bush actully has the balls to carry it out these fucking lying libs seem to forget all about it!
Germany had nothing to do with Pearl Harbour either fellas!
I'm glad that that murdering psycopath has been deposed,and I'm glad that not one major attack has been perpetrated on US soil since 9/11. By the way,under Clinton the US,and our intersts over seas were hit on an average three times a year during his eight years of frat parties in the White House.
Geesh,I'm so glad that Europe had the backbone to take the moral high road with regards to the Iraq War. Oopps! I guess that whole little Oil for Food Scandal kinda proved where the loyalties realy were. Moral highground? ROTFLMAO!!! Bush knows that these fucks are murderers and he could care less if the loony left types hate him for it. I feel exactly the same fucking way!
ACLU sues NY City because of random bag checks,and threaten to sue for profiling. Whose fucking side is the ACLU on anyway?! So we can't profile,AND we can't carry out radom checks?! WTF! The ACLU will sue the US for the rights of terrorists though! This is why I hate the liberal mindset. It is brain dead.
Ain't politics fun on a Rolling Stones message board?! Pretty stupid place to bring this shit up,huh?
I think so to! So why not go to www.opinionatedjerks.com and discuss it there.
Rant on libs. You seem to be very good at it. I must admit that I'm getting better at it myself though. LOL!
On with the show! Fuck political talk on RO.
Riffhard
Riffhard,
That post was about as close to perfection as a post can get!! Will you be in Boston for opening night? If so, I've got the first round!!! |
| August 10th, 2005 02:48 AM |
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| Brainbell Jangler |
Just a wild guess, the worst: You don't make a living on your intelligence, do you? |
| August 10th, 2005 03:14 AM |
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Brainbell Jangler wrote:
Just a wild guess, the worst: You don't make a living on your intelligence, do you?
If you consider statements like those by FPM to be inteliigent then I guess I am the stupidest man on the face of the earth!! |
| August 10th, 2005 04:34 AM |
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| maumau |
quote: bad marketing
maybe i don't know what good marketing is but
take a look around on the internet for news and see.
i think by now there's no one in the western world that does not know that a new stones record is coming out..
and not only internet, even italian newspapers that usually don't give a damn about the stones have them on front pages and the headlines...
bad marketing?
(for your information: i am not particularly impressed by those two lines of the song that i think are pretty banal, hope the song is more controverse and ambiguous like mick has proved to be) |
| August 10th, 2005 05:41 AM |
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| lotsajizz |
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Brainbell Jangler wrote:
Then the reactionaries complain about a political discussion which they started. Astonishing!
Not really. They never could stand the heat.
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| August 10th, 2005 05:42 AM |
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| lotsajizz |
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The_Worst wrote:
I guess I am the stupidest man on the face of the earth!!
yup |
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