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Topic: Is Keith Just a Sad Old Alchohlic Now? Return to archive Page: 1 2 3
July 26th, 2004 05:01 PM
Gazza >There are some women who would kill for that experience!

Shirley was with him at the time. I didn't want to be appear TOO enthusiastic!
July 26th, 2004 05:26 PM
Joey
quote:
glencar wrote:
There are some women who would kill for that experience!



Blue ........................Don't you think that Keith Richards may very well live forever ..................?

I know I do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

J.
July 26th, 2004 05:28 PM
Some Guy No, I do not think Joey is a sad old alcoholic now.
July 26th, 2004 05:29 PM
Joey
quote:
Some Guy wrote:
No, I do not think Joey is a sad old alcoholic now.



You make Joey sniggle ...............
July 26th, 2004 05:50 PM
Diedre There's some guy that posts over on another board named "Richard" who claims to be a Stones insider. In his last post, he talked about "Keith's lung problems seems to be under control." This guy has been (sort of) accurate from time to time, so don't know what he knows. But it makes one wonder, at least about the smoking. Ronnie stated in his interview with Word a few weeks ago that he has COPD, which usually leads to emphysema. Maybe that Richard guy had the two of them confused, but their smoking habits are similar.

I don't think I'd like to see the Stones' guitarists onstage with their portable oxygen, which is going to happen if they keep smoking at their ages. So, yeah, they should at least quit that. And as for drinking, an interview with Keith last year said he drank about a quart of vodka within the half-hour interview. That can't be good, either. People his age have health problems without smoking and drinking, so adding to it isn't going to help. But, yeah, it's up to him, and it's not easy to quit. And he is old, but not sad.
July 26th, 2004 05:53 PM
Soldatti
quote:
At least Ronnie is trying to sort things out


Good results so far!!
July 26th, 2004 05:57 PM
Soldatti
quote:
F505 wrote:
Discussions about the Stones are becoming more and more geriatrical these days



Well, we are talking about people on their 60's and on some cases we get luck on talk about they, still...
[Edited by Soldatti]
July 26th, 2004 06:09 PM
F505 Yes I know, in the old days it was 'cool' when they drank and took drugs. Nowadays everyone is concerned when they do the same. Understandable though...
July 26th, 2004 06:38 PM
Moonisup the way keith looked at the Gram show, with his fingers crossed was just sad, his red eyes,
he wants to be an outlaw that wants to be cool, that's ok. But don't fuck up when you're on tour, then you'll be cool. But he fucked up
July 26th, 2004 08:44 PM
mac_daddy
quote:
Moonisup wrote:
the way keith looked at the Gram show, with his fingers crossed was just sad, his red eyes,
he wants to be an outlaw that wants to be cool, that's ok. But don't fuck up when you're on tour, then you'll be cool. But he fucked up

how did he fuck up? by all accounts, his performances at the two gram tribute shows were spot on...
July 26th, 2004 08:46 PM
corgi37 Cant teach an old dog new tricks. Keef will die with a smoke in one hand, and a guitar in the other. Hopefully, on stage. Hopefully, during the taking of bows, with the last thing he hears is rapturous applause. I mean, if he croaked onstage after 2-3 songs, i would want my money back.
July 26th, 2004 08:49 PM
Steel Wheels What a waste of internet space this thread is. People should worry about their own health, not a guitar player's. Keith sad? Bullshit! Musing on his sadness IS sad.

July 26th, 2004 08:57 PM
LadyJane Well..I suppose you could call 60 "old"...although the "older" I get the definition changes. Is he an alcoholic? Yes..I think he his.

He's he a sad old alcoholic?

Nah....he's Keith...eccentric, witty, well read, a musical genius and STILL the lead guitarist of the greatest Rock N Roll Band in the world.

He ain't gonna change...and I'm not sure I'd want him any other way!!

LJ.
July 26th, 2004 10:53 PM
TheSavageYoungXyzzy Honestly? There are some people who are actually *genetically* predisposed to long life. Look at the Queen Mother - a bottle a day and she lasted 'till 101. There was a cool article about it in the New York Times a few years ago - people who smoke, drink, whatever - living into their 100s.

As for Keith, I don't think you can deny that his problems were/are much larger than other people's and will probably shorten his lifespan by a bit, but other than the fact that his voice is a crooning growl of its former self (which in comparison to, say, Dylan, who lived a similar lifestyle and wound up with that crackly bark, is quite an accomplishment), I don't think Keith will have much trouble.

His playing has been erratic on this recent tour, but certainly not as erratic as Ronnie's. I've said it many times - I always thought it was a real pity that just as Keith started to get into a groove Ronnie conked out. There were very few concerts with both guitarists "on" for the European tour. I wish he'd at least give up whatever's causing him to be content to strum a few chords and let Chuck and the backup singers take over his job while he waggles around, be it the pot or the booze or whatever. Some concerts he gets irritated and really lets loose, but frequently he sleepwalks through concerts, which he can get away with because he's Keith Richards. Ronnie's never sleptwalked through a concert - he's either *on* and playing great or *off* and playing like total shit.
July 26th, 2004 11:33 PM
BILL PERKS
quote:
glencar wrote:
Read Christgau's review of DW. Amazing.


MANS GOT TASTE..DONT KNOCK IT-THE LAST GREAT STONES ALBUM
July 27th, 2004 12:02 AM
Soldatti I used to like DW on my first days of fan, those days are long gone now...
July 27th, 2004 12:22 AM
parmeda
quote:
glencar wrote:
There are some women who would kill for that experience!


...without hesitation
July 27th, 2004 07:10 AM
sj Rolling Stone had an artile with Keith titled "Dinosaurs roam the earth". Rather appropriate.
July 27th, 2004 10:43 AM
glencar BILL PERKS - I WASN'T KNOCKING DW OR CHRISTGAU. I'VE OFTEN CITED HIS REVIEW AS A MASTERPIECE OF CRITICISM EVEN IF I DO NOT AGREE WITH IT COMPLETELY.
July 27th, 2004 03:40 PM
Some Guy
quote:
glencar wrote:
BILL PERKS - I WASN'T KNOCKING DW OR CHRISTGAU. I'VE OFTEN CITED HIS REVIEW AS A MASTERPIECE OF CRITICISM EVEN IF I DO NOT AGREE WITH IT COMPLETELY.


When responding to BILL PERKS it is common courtesy to use caps lock. Nicely done G.
July 27th, 2004 03:44 PM
gypsy There are a lot of sad sober people...and a lot of happy alchoholics.
July 27th, 2004 04:31 PM
Joey
quote:
gypsy wrote:
There are a lot of sad sober people...and a lot of happy alchoholics.



" I see myself on T.V., I'm a faker, a paper clown
It's clear to all my friends that I habitually lie; I just bring them down
I claim proneness to exaggeration
But the truth lies in my frustration
The women of the night, they all pass me by
Have to drench myself in brandy
In sleep I'll hide
But however much I booze
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
I don't care what you say, boy
There ain't no way out

I lose so many nights of sleep worrying about my responsibilities
Are the problems that screw me up really down to him or me
My ego will just confuse me
Some day it's going to up and use me
Dish me out another tailor-made compliment
Tell me about some destiny I can't prevent
And however much I squirm
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
I don't care what you say, boy
There ain't no way out

Won't somebody tell me how to get out of this place?!

Then the night comes down like a cell door closing
Suddenly I realize that I'm right now, I'm on the scene
While sitting here all alone with a bottle and my head a-floating
Far away from the phone and the conscience going on at me
And on at me, and I don't care what you say
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out

Now the walls are all clawed and scratched
Like by some soul insane
In the morning I humbly detach myself
I take no blame
I just can't face my failure
I'm nothing but a well fucked sailor
You at home can easily decide what's right
By glancing very briefly at the posts I write
But it don't help me that you know
This ain't no way out
Won't somebody tell me?
I don't care what you say, boy
There ain't no way out

There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out

Give me the key, lock it away

There ain't
There ain't
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out ....................

Tailor Made ............................


Kurskee !

July 27th, 2004 04:49 PM
zebulon Well,

He's not dead...
He's not sad ...

He just smells funny!

hehehe ...
July 27th, 2004 05:10 PM
TheSavageYoungXyzzy
quote:
Joey wrote:

" I see myself on T.V., I'm a faker, a paper clown
It's clear to all my friends that I habitually lie; I just bring them down
I claim proneness to exaggeration
But the truth lies in my frustration
The women of the night, they all pass me by
Have to drench myself in brandy
In sleep I'll hide
But however much I booze
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
I don't care what you say, boy
There ain't no way out

I lose so many nights of sleep worrying about my responsibilities
Are the problems that screw me up really down to him or me
My ego will just confuse me
Some day it's going to up and use me
Dish me out another tailor-made compliment
Tell me about some destiny I can't prevent
And however much I squirm
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
I don't care what you say, boy
There ain't no way out

Won't somebody tell me how to get out of this place?!

Then the night comes down like a cell door closing
Suddenly I realize that I'm right now, I'm on the scene
While sitting here all alone with a bottle and my head a-floating
Far away from the phone and the conscience going on at me
And on at me, and I don't care what you say
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out

Now the walls are all clawed and scratched
Like by some soul insane
In the morning I humbly detach myself
I take no blame
I just can't face my failure
I'm nothing but a well fucked sailor
You at home can easily decide what's right
By glancing very briefly at the posts I write
But it don't help me that you know
This ain't no way out
Won't somebody tell me?
I don't care what you say, boy
There ain't no way out

There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out

Give me the key, lock it away

There ain't
There ain't
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out
There ain't no way out ....................

Tailor Made ............................


Kurskee !





Try Townshend made, punk! Ain't no tailor capable of putting out material that smooooooth.
July 27th, 2004 06:52 PM
telecaster
quote:
gypsy wrote:
There are a lot of sad sober people...and a lot of happy alchoholics.




So true gypsy. Personally, I drink to make joey interesting
July 28th, 2004 04:38 AM
Honky Tonk Man I think some posters have made some great points in this thread. After Bowie had his heart attack recently, there was an article in the Sun about how Keith will out live them all and how his corpse should be handed over in the name of science. This is all great and dare I say, lighthearted stuff, but the fact of the matter is, Keith ISNíT that old and it COULD all yet catch up with him. As Gazza rightly pointed out, they guy looks a couple of years older than he is. When you hit 60, I suppose a couple of yers is going to show.

DESPITE thinking Keith looks as cool as fuck with his ciggie. I think he should quit. Sure, seeing him interviewed without one will take some getting used to, but I think he uses it more as a prop anyway. I think on stage, Ronnie certainly does.

The guys an alcoholic, probably became one, the minute he gave up his junkie habit.

This may seem like a really stupid question to some, but ask yourself this.

Is Keith (HEALTH WISE) better off now as an alcoholic chain smoker, than he was 25 years ago as a heroin addict?

Alex
July 28th, 2004 05:03 AM
scratched
quote:
Honky Tonk Man wrote:
This may seem like a really stupid question to some, but ask yourself this.

Is Keith (HEALTH WISE) better off now as an alcoholic chain smoker, than he was 25 years ago as a heroin addict?




I reckon you've just got to look at him to realise that he was probably in better shape as a junkie. As someone above pointed out, he only really started to age quickly once he gave up the brown and started to drink heavily.
July 28th, 2004 10:51 AM
Joey
quote:
telecaster wrote:


So true gypsy. Personally, I drink to make joey interesting





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July 28th, 2004 11:07 AM
Joey
quote:
Honky Tonk Man wrote:
I think some posters have made some great points in this thread. Alex





Thanks Honky Tonk Man ...........................I surprise even MYSELF sometimes .

By the Way , I have completely forgotten so please forgive me ....................Did you say that you had tickets for " THE WHO SHORELINE " gig on August 7th or " THE WHO HOLLYWOOD BOWL " performance on August 9th ????

Please Elaborate ..........................

" Stones Rule You Bastards ! "

D. J. Jersee Joe and the Fresh Prince of Boca Raton !
July 28th, 2004 11:35 AM
Honky Tonk Man
quote:
Joey wrote:



Thanks Honky Tonk Man ...........................I surprise even MYSELF sometimes .

By the Way , I have completely forgotten so please forgive me ....................Did you say that you had tickets for " THE WHO SHORELINE " gig on August 7th or " THE WHO HOLLYWOOD BOWL " performance on August 9th ????

Please Elaborate ..........................

" Stones Rule You Bastards ! "

D. J. Jersee Joe and the Fresh Prince of Boca Raton !



No I didn't. I saw one of their Kentish Town Forum show's in March though.

Peado Pete was in great form!
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