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| MrPleasant |
Townshend fuming over Fahrenheit row
10/07/2004 - 11:42:22
Rock legend Pete Townshend has launched a scathing attack at film-maker Michael Moore, saying he has been "bullied and slurred" by the director.
Last year, the Stupid White Men author Moore approached the The Who guitarist to ask the star permission to use his song Won't Get Fooed Again in his controversial documentary Fahrenheit 9/11, which criticises George Bush's administration.
Townshend refused to let the Oscar-winning director use the song, because the rocker didn't enjoy Moore's previous films Bowling for Columbine and Roger and Me.
Townshend fumes: "Michael Moore has been making some claims, using my name, which distort the truth.
"I greatly resent being bullied and slurred by him just because he didn't get what we wanted from me. It seems to me that this aspect of his nature is not unlike that of the powerful
and willful man at the centre of his documentary.
"He says that I refused to allow him to use my song Won't Get Fooled Again in his latest film because I support the war. I have never hidden the fact that at the beginning of the war in Iraq, I was a supporter. But now I am less sure we did the right thing.
"I had not really been convinced by Bowling For Columbine and had been worried about its accuracy. To me, it felt like a bullying film. Once I had an idea what Fahrenheit 9/11 was about, I was 90 per cent certain my song was not right for them and pointed out that Won't Get Fooled Again is not an unconditionally anti-war song."
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| mac_daddy |
this whole thing was about cash. moore was making a documentary, and petey wanted him to pay as if he had the budget of a summer blockbuster. that f911 is making tons of $$ is moot. these discussions happened well before the film's release. and now, petey is trying to cash in on some coattail-style publicity...
remember, this is the same petey who has sold his songs to the highest bidder...
happy jack -> hummer
bargain -> another car company
wont get fooled again -> csi
who are you -> csi
and those are the ones i remember off the top of my head...
what a wanker!
AND he has the audacity to be touring under the guise of "The Who" ???
what an absolute putz!
i hope the ticket sales for this next Who jaunt are abyssmal. they should have disbanded The Who after Moon died (like zeppelin did). in the years since, petey has done nothing but tarnish his legacy and make their accomplishments seem less impressive.
"i am a lesbian trapped inside a man's body!" jesus, pete, STFU and disappear quietly. you are tired and done, and nobody gives a sh*t about your tired, poorly conceived rock operas and concept albums anymore.
it is like he is racing lou reed to see who can lose all of his credibility and relevance first! I mean, did you see that jackhole with his tai chi instructor on letterman? talk about embarrassing! the fact that they did a VU tune made it that much worse, too.
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| MrPleasant |
Of course it's about the cash -- Pete isn't abdicating about selling his work to the highest bidder.
In 1989 he said:
"For a long time there were certain things I wouldn't let go. Someone wanted "Magic Bus," and I thought, "Okay, that's a fun song. People won't mind." Then somebody comes along and wants "My Generation" to sell laxative pills. You know, "Dah dab dah, my constipation." They seriously think you're going to give them the song. And you think, "Well, let's play with the motherfuckers" And you say, "Okay, you can have the song for 16 million dollars, 'cause that's what the hatred of every Who fan in the world is worth to me." You have to realize there's a price to what I've done in my life. The price has been established by what people have already given me by buying my work. The ethics are absolutely clear in my mind. It's my decision. It's my right. I've been outraged by certain ads that were absolutely despicable."
http://www.thewho.net/articles/townshen/musician.htm
I haven't even seen Moore's past two films, but I enjoyed "Roger and me".
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| mac_daddy |
jesus, it is worse than i thought...
"16 million dollars - that's what the hatred of every Who fan in the world is worth to me."
f*ck you pete! you can have my hatred for free. |
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| MrPleasant |
You make me very  . |
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| mac_daddy |
quote:
MrPleasant wrote:
You make me very .
wasnt trying to bum you out. look, i like the classic Who albums as much as anybody else. but the state petey is in, and the way he is conducting himself is despicable, imho. i am not happy that zeppelin sold Rock n Roll to a car company. either, but at least they are not trying to tour as Led Zeppelin anymore. and now with the Ox out of the picture (rip), The Who = Petey's latest ego project, and most of those concept things he has done in the past 20 years kinda suck - white city being the lone exception.
absolutely disgraceful when you consider that at their peak, The Who was one of the great ones. mr. pleasant, that is what should make you sad 
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| MrPleasant |
I was only kidding, man.
Sure, The Who are only half a band, and cannot rise to their former glory. But, to their defence, as a group, they stopped recording albums many years ago (unlike, say, Ray Davies, whom I love dearly, but couldn't do better once the Kinks got older).
I do believe the musician has a right to sell his work. Like Tom Waits said: "if you dance, you have to pay the fiddler", or something.
I believe (not sure, though) that Fahrenheit, which won the top prize in Cannes, compited against such gems as Shreck 2. Now that's sad. Later. |
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| Hannalee |
Pete's diary entry:
7 July 2004
Fahrenheit Moore or Less
Michael Moore has been making some claims � mentioning me by name - which I believe distort the truth.
He says � among other things � that I refused to allow him to use my song WON�T GET FOOLED AGAIN in his latest film, because I support the war, and that at the last minute I recanted, but he turned me down. I have never hidden the fact that at the beginning of the war in Iraq I was a supporter. But now, like millions of others, I am less sure we did the right thing.
When first approached I knew nothing about the content of his film FAHRENHEIT 911. My publisher informed me they had already refused the use of my song in principle because MIRAMAX the producers offered well below what the song normally commands for use in a movie. They asked me if I wanted to ask for more money, I told them no.
Nevertheless, as a result of my refusal to consider the use, Harvey Weinstein � a good friend of mine, and my manager Bill Curbishley � interceded personally, explained in more detail to Bill what the movie was about, and offered to raise the bid very substantially indeed. This brought the issue directly to me for the first time. Bill emailed me and told me how keen Harvey and Michael Moore were to use my song.
At this point I emailed Bill (and he may have passed the essence of what I said to Harvey Weinstein) that I had not really been convinced by BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE, and had been worried about its accuracy; it felt to me like a bullying film. Out of courtesy to Harvey I suggested that if he and Moore were determined to have me reconsider, I should at least get a chance to see a copy of the new film. I knew that with Cannes on the horizon, time was running short for them, and this might not be possible. I never received a copy of the film to view. At no time did I ask Moore or Miramax to reconsider anything. Once I had an idea what the film was about I was 90% certain my song was not right for them.
I believe that in the same email to my publisher and manager that contained this request to see the film I pointed out that WGFA is not an unconditionally anti-war song, or a song for or against revolution. It actually questions the heart of democracy: we vote heartily for leaders who we subsequently always seem to find wanting. (WGFA is a song sung by a fictional character from my 1971 script called LIFEHOUSE. The character is someone who is frightened by the slick way in which truth can be twisted by clever politicians and revolutionaries alike). I suggested in the email that they might use something by Neil Young, who I knew had written several songs of a more precise political nature, and is as accessible as I am. Moore himself takes credit for this idea, and I have no idea whether my suggestion reached him, but it was the right thing to do.
I have nothing against Michael Moore personally, and I know Roger Daltrey is a friend and fan of his, but I greatly resent being bullied and slurred by him in interviews just because he didn�t get what he wanted from me. It seems to me that this aspect of his nature is not unlike that of the powerful and wilful man at the centre of his new documentary. I wish him all the best with the movie, which I know is popular, and which I still haven�t seen. But he�ll have to work very, very hard to convince me that a man with a camera is going to change the world more effectively than a man with a guitar.
Pete
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| MrPleasant |
Thanks. Hannalee
quote:
Hannalee wrote:
Pete's diary entry:
But he�ll have to work very, very hard to convince me that a man with a camera is going to change the world more effectively than a man with a guitar.
Pete
That's kinda corny.
Frank Zappa: "Oh, I think we can definitely galvanize people into some kind of action. We galvanized somebody into singing "Louie, Louie" tonight, who was asleep (1967)". |
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| BILL PERKS |
TOO BAD JOEY DOESNT POST ON WEEKENDS |
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| mac_daddy |
quote:
BILL PERKS wrote:
TOO BAD JOEY DOESNT POST ON WEEKENDS
 i thought about that - he is gonna have a field day with some of my comments, but deep down inside, he might even feel the same way. |
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| Gazza |
I think your comments will make Joey cry... |
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| Jumping Jack |
It isn't a matter of what price Pete decides to sell his songs for, it is whether Moore is a liar, distorts the truth, and profits from the ignorant who are blinded tofactual evidence by their hatred and rage. |
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| gypsy |
I think joey gets weekend furloughs from Leavenworth, and visits his family. |
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| corgi37 |
You know what? You know in the whole scheme of things, the state of the world, economic factors of various countries, death and starvation, sickness and madness - WHO GIVES AN ABSOLUTE FUCK WHETHER A CERTAIN SONG IS USED OR NOT?
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| Joey |
" what a wanker!
AND he has the audacity to be touring under the guise of "The Who" ???
what an absolute putz!
i hope the ticket sales for this next Who jaunt are abyssmal. they should have disbanded The Who after Moon died (like zeppelin did). in the years since, petey has done nothing but tarnish his legacy and make their accomplishments seem less impressive.
"i am a lesbian trapped inside a man's body!" jesus, pete, STFU and disappear quietly. you are tired and done, and nobody gives a sh*t about your tired, poorly conceived rock operas and concept albums anymore.
it is like he is racing lou reed to see who can lose all of his credibility and relevance first! I mean, did you see that jackhole with his tai chi instructor on letterman? talk about embarrassing! the fact that they did a VU tune made it that much worse, too. "
You make Joey weep profusely and sh## liquid ! Why ?!?! WHY ?!?!?! ..............When all the Joeykins does is love .
" Stones Rule You Bastards ! "
H. R. Puffin Joe !
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| jb |
Ninea abs shae monkey!!!Ninea! Ninea! Ninea!....Joey, I went to my nuerologist friend today as I have had tingling/burning on my left arm and leg for a week
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| Joey |
quote:
jb wrote:
as I have had tingling/burning on my left arm and leg for a week
[Edited by jb]
...........my left flank has been killing me all weekend .
........even all the " U V BLUE AND RED BULLS " Friday night could not lessen the severity of the intense pain I feel .
I am seriously thinking of rekindling my Smack Habit .
Your thoughts on the matter please .......................
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ! Smmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmack !
Alphabet City Boy Jo Jo !
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| jb |
I would prefer flank pain to MS |
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| Joey |
quote:
jb wrote:
I would prefer flank pain to MS
I would prefer gray hair to " thinning out " |
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| Monkey Woman |
Poor Joeykins!  How about some elbow nibbling? (Weirdly enough, this sounds like something out of Michael Moorcock, not Moore. You know, the Dancers At The End Of Time...) |
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| Joey |
quote:
Monkey Woman wrote:
this sounds like something out of Michael Moorcock, not Moore. You know, the Dancers At The End Of Time...)
You make Joey say , Huh ?!?!?!
Why ......................?!?! |
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| Monkey Woman |
quote:
MrPleasant wrote:
Of course it's about the cash -- Pete isn't abdicating about selling his work to the highest bidder.
In 1989 he said:
"For a long time there were certain things I wouldn't let go. Someone wanted "Magic Bus," and I thought, "Okay, that's a fun song. People won't mind." Then somebody comes along and wants "My Generation" to sell laxative pills. You know, "Dah dab dah, my constipation." They seriously think you're going to give them the song. And you think, "Well, let's play with the motherfuckers" And you say, "Okay, you can have the song for 16 million dollars, 'cause that's what the hatred of every Who fan in the world is worth to me." You have to realize there's a price to what I've done in my life. The price has been established by what people have already given me by buying my work. The ethics are absolutely clear in my mind. It's my decision. It's my right. I've been outraged by certain ads that were absolutely despicable."
http://www.thewho.net/articles/townshen/musician.htm
I haven't even seen Moore's past two films, but I enjoyed "Roger and me".
Oh god! As Keith said at some time: "Pete, you have to learn to shut up your trap!" |
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| Monkey Woman |
quote:
Joey wrote:
You make Joey say , Huh ?!?!?!
Why ......................?!?!
Good!
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| Joey |
quote:
Monkey Woman wrote:
Good!
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| mac_daddy |
oh, joey - you know it is not a personal attack.
listen, if keef said (and did) the things petey has done in the past few years, i would be weeping and shitting liquid, too.
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| jpenn11 |
just to close the circle . . .
From the NYT:
Nice Platform, but Can We Dance to It?
By JOHN LELAND
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Songs can still be used to make a satiric point. At a 2000 rally for George W. Bush, his staff spun a few bars of Fleetwood Mac�s �Don�t Stop,� which Bill Clinton had used so effectively, then abruptly replaced it with the Who�s �Won�t Get Fooled Again.� |
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| mac_daddy |
quote:
jpenn11 wrote:
just to close the circle . . .
From the NYT:
Nice Platform, but Can We Dance to It?
By JOHN LELAND
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Songs can still be used to make a satiric point. At a 2000 rally for George W. Bush, his staff spun a few bars of Fleetwood Mac�s �Don�t Stop,� which Bill Clinton had used so effectively, then abruptly replaced it with the Who�s �Won�t Get Fooled Again.�
it figures.
i remember when bobby mcferrin told george sr, in no uncertain terms, that he could NOT use his "dont worry be happy" tune. hell, petey probably endorses bush. like i said, what a putz! |
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| Jumping Jack |
Your point is that as long as you dislike an individual personally, do not agree with their politics, or have some other heartburn with them it is acceptable behavior to lie, slander, and dream up the wildest fantasies for profit or to further your agenda?
If so, I sincerely hope it happens to you one day.
There are places in this world where socialism and anarchy reign. Do you really prefer that alternative? |
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| mac_daddy |
quote:
Jumping Jack wrote:
Your point is that as long as you dislike an individual personally, do not agree with their politics, or have some other heartburn with them it is acceptable behavior to lie, slander, and dream up the wildest fantasies for profit or to further your agenda?
If so, I sincerely hope it happens to you one day.
There are places in this world where socialism and anarchy reign. Do you really prefer that alternative?
c'mom JJ - prefer the alternative to what? an illiterate moron who stole an election with the help of daddy's money and his skull and bones friends? give me a break! dont tell me that because i feel the current administration is misguided, and is screwing up, that i am somehow less American or patriotic than you, or anyone else...
my point all along has been that it is a sad state of affairs when a guy like petey, who talked the talk and walked the walk for years, has now completely sold out, and now sees eye to eye with the boneheads that have given him a tax cut were he to reside in this country...
and i dont care what petey says, i will bet $$$ that the reason why he didnt give moore the song was money (not enough) and/or politics. probably both. moore is simply calling him out...
since when is pete such a pussy that he needs to say he feels bullied? jesus, is this really the same guy that used to come to blows with roger and the ox. what the hell happened to him? he sounds like a whiny b*tch now.
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